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Movak -> Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/5/2006 1:44:18 AM)

I make floggers using different materials and have been told that horse hair must be treated with some sort of wax. I am unsure of what type of wax to use. I have checked out tack ships but there are too mant products to experiment with. Anyone have any ideas?

Movak



diamonddreamlove -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/5/2006 7:27:12 AM)

Mane and Tail works for the horse but then not sure about afterwards.  Some tack stores sell the horse tails for around $300 (locally)  so you might check with them (they tend to be the stores specific to equine rather than say a large farm store).  Can't imagine them selling them without having some information even if it is only who the manufacturer is so you can inquire there.  If you can't get the info contact me i happen to know the shop that would give me the info and i would be happy to find out that way for you.



LadyHugs -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/5/2006 8:48:13 AM)

Dear Movak, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Horse tail floggers in the equestrian world is known as a "fly whisk."  Most run around $50.00 at most English tack shops.
 
If you have a Native American Indian supply shop, often these folks have pelts, leather, horse tails that have been skinned off the horse (after perishing), before they go into a rendering plant.  So, their tails are still attached to the skin, which can be wrapped around a bambo shaft, then artfully covered in leather.
 
That said, horse's tails have little tiny barbs.  They do tangle and do manage to pick up stickers and brambles when ridden or grazing by.
To soften the tail, "Mane and Tail" is used.  However, if you do not have a tack shop handy, African American hair conditioner works just as well.  Before a lot of products were on the market for horses, human products had to do.  For white tails to bring out the brilliant white, blue shampoo or shampoo for white hair (human and or equine) is preferred. 
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



Bearlee -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/5/2006 9:00:22 AM)

I used to have a horse-hair flogger…which I personally didn’t much like used on me.  However, I understand that the hairs are hollow, as well as brittle.  I’ve been told more than once that pieces of the horsehair actually break-off and embed in the skin; and that what doesn’t, can actually wick up blood or sweat into the hairs on the flogger. 
 
I may be mistaken…but in that this could be the case, I’d keep horse-hair floggers as a one-person toy.  Since I didn’t like it and didn’t feel I could use it on multiple people…I tossed it.
 
MOO; MNSHO…….YMMV



Emperor1956 -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/5/2006 9:24:17 AM)

As is usually the case, LadyHugs provides good information.  Horsehair has almost a "cult" surrounding it, and those that love its stingy feeling simply love it; others just go "HUH?"   I suspect that it was a lot easier to get good horsehair back in the day when horses were common.  Now, it is expensive and I've seen some very brittle, old hair which I think is second rate sold as D/s material.  But like anything equine, those that love it, LOVE it.

You can shampoo the flogger/tail with any number of good equine or human shampoo products.  The fact is, though, that regardless of conditioning, in my experience, horsehair breaks when used to flog someone, and little sticky bits remain in the sub's skin.  You can tweeze these out, or leave them to "prickle" a bit.  I don't know that there is any harm to leaving the "splinters" but if your sub has sensitive skin, I'd check every day or so to make sure you aren't harboring infection or "razor" bumps.

And yes, Bearlee, horsehair is NOT sterilizable and will "wick up" bodily fluids.  I don't think STD transmission is likely if the flogger is cleaned between uses, but why take a chance?  I'd use it one person only.

E.



Bearlee -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/5/2006 9:33:23 AM)

Thank you Sir... good to know.  Like you, I'd rather err on the side of safety.  [&:]



LadyHugs -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/5/2006 9:46:01 AM)

Dear Emperor1956, BearLee, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Indeed horse tails are much like those fiber optic filiments.  The moisture is soaked up as to keep the tail hairs alive in nature as well as to stun horse bot flies and horse flies, the roots are blood fed, so like human hair, it grows and the tube of the shaft remains hollow, the barb bits on the hair shaft is considered 'the knee'.  Long tails managed to hit where the horse's head could not reach.  Also was a system of communication as well.  Amazing creatures -- horses.
 
That said, I recommend people who want to make a 'whisk' and don't have access to horse tails that are real, I send them to the Beauty Supply store, where they have long hair extensions.  Some are human hair but, some are fake.  Regardless, they are woven into the clip on part or a wig, one can create an equally beautiful 'whisk' and or flogger.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



Movak -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/5/2006 5:19:23 PM)

I have a good source of quality hair so that isnt a problem. It is actually my local leather supply store and on sale right now.

I have not treated the hair I have as I am not sure what to use. All the advice I have been given is to use some sort of horse or human conditioner. One of the local doms who usually knows her stuff insists that some sort of wax is used to seal the hair. I am trying to find out what this wax could be.

Forever searching,
Movak



LadyHugs -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/5/2006 6:53:58 PM)

Dear Movak, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Perhaps mustache wax is what she might be thinking of on the tips.
 
However, wax flakes off so not sure if that would be necessary.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



MasterCurios -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/8/2006 9:46:43 AM)

a tack and supply store would/should know and thnx for the thought



EgosumDominus -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/9/2006 8:46:07 AM)

Lanolin is what is used, not wax.
Horse hair is brittle and breaks easy.
The hair, like the hooves are not a living thing like skin or flesh.
The goal is to keep it flexable and give it some elastic qualities. But I can say that even with that treatment, the hair will break and can embed in the skin.
All fibers will wick fluid, some better than others.
I personaly dont like to make them. The hair gets all over the place, and the process of cleaning the salted hair on hides from the slaughter house is a but nasty.

Egosum Dominus



MercTech -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/12/2006 3:23:55 PM)

And all the horse hair that is thrown away at stables.  Often the tail is groomed by pulling the loose hairs.

I've never made a flogger of it but this discussion has me thinking.  I've used the horsehair to braid into rope several times.

Time to consider how to attach to a handle.

Stefan



MsEmily -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/17/2006 3:28:22 AM)

I make leather equipment from time to time, and often speaking to people who have been in the scene for a long time about care and feeding of your toys, they often suggest treating them as if they were living things, moisturing your leather, like it's skin especially if you often disinfect it often, and conditioning your horse hair, like it is in fact, hair.

as far as buying horse hair, most places that sell leather, tanneries and such sell horse hair by the pound. I know several places in NYC to buy horse hair floggers.. I know that kinematics has some nice ones!



Pulpsmack -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/17/2006 3:52:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsEmily

I make leather equipment from time to time, and often speaking to people who have been in the scene for a long time about care and feeding of your toys, they often suggest treating them as if they were living things, moisturing your leather, like it's skin especially if you often disinfect it often, and conditioning your horse hair, like it is in fact, hair.


As I have learned:

Conditioning leather is good when: you apply to whips and the handles of floggers

Conditioning/leather is bad when: you apply it to the tails of floggers

Cleaning floggers: if you want to refresh a flogger from time to time you may dry clean it without fear of damaging

Disinfecting leather is bad. It is harsh and unnecessary.There is an article floating around about the inability to pass pathogens from leather to people once the item has been properly stored a few days.

Horsehair: the critical element is keeping it combed after each use. you may get crazy and use salon conditioner or mane and tail or you can use dish soap and warm water the times you use it. it's preference and neither will hurt it.



Alumbrado -> RE: Horse Hair Flogger Treatment (7/17/2006 5:21:10 AM)

A music store should be able to order a large quantity of horse hair (used for rehairing violin bows) from Saga Music.



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