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HipPoindexter -> Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/10/2014 11:04:49 AM)

I was a young fogey. At age 12, my hero was Alex P Keaton. I wore sweater vests. I had my own subscription (well my grandfather paid for it) to the National Review and I diligently read the editorials William F. Buckley Jr. wrote--in hindsight so polysyllabic and so vacuous. I read the classics. I muttered about the decline of the west and how the world was going right to hell because of loose morals and the decline in family values. My father, to his credit, snickered at me.

One day he showed me some essays by long dead Englishmen (the Oxbridge dudes, the ones who always went by three initials and some blueblood surname) about the decline in values and the unwillingness of the young to seize the bull by the horns and get their hands dirty and all that rot. He told me about his grandfather's complaints about his father's generation (the omg Greatest Generation). After that, I became intensely aware of old editorials/essays/television shows/etc about how the world was going right to hell. It became clear that the world had been Going Straight to Hell since the first Greek complained that his contemporaries were men made of bronze instead of the men made of gold of the Golden Age.

So I guess I'm wondering: Do you really think the world is getting worse and the kids today are Out of Control? Do you remember when the old timers were shaking their heads and talking the same shit about you?




windchymes -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/10/2014 12:38:03 PM)

I believe that every single generation thinks that the generations before and after them don't know shit from apple butter :)

Yes, I do think the world is getting worse.....but 50-60 years ago, people were building underground bomb shelters (and still are) and worrying about Russians AND Martians taking over the world, and rock and roll was the end of humanity as we know it, damn Elvis and his pelvis anyway. And before that, they were worrying about Germans and Japanese, and before that, a horrible stock market crash and depression, and before that, women were cutting their hair, wearing flapper dresses and dancing to Jazz, and before that.....and every one of us found our way into the next generation more or less unscathed while the sun came up the next morning.

If you want to read something funny, go read some of Mark Twain's essays on politics and policitians, and what the Confederates said about Abe Lincoln, and go back even another hundred years before that and read what Ben Franklin and his generation had to say. It will all sound VERY familiar, lol.

I remember how I used to complain about my mother-in-law and the way she held my babies, the silly way she burped them, what a know-it-all she thought she was, and dammit, she keeps scraping my teflon pots and pans with metal utensils!!!!! I realize now what a good person she was, and now that I find myself the mother-in-law of two, do you know those little bitches have the nerve to complain about me to MY SON via TEXT MESSAGE, while he's SITTING RIGHT IN THE ROOM!!! I swear, this world is going to hell in a handbasket! [;)]




HipPoindexter -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/10/2014 12:43:52 PM)

Also entertaining to read British Parliamentary debates circa 1775-76 complaining about what a lazy, entitled, spoiled rotten group of upstarts the goddamn colonists were. :D




windchymes -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/10/2014 12:49:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HipPoindexter

Also entertaining to read British Parliamentary debates circa 1775-76 complaining about what a lazy, entitled, spoiled rotten group of upstarts the goddamn colonists were. :D


That actually would be cool :)




Apocalypso -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/10/2014 12:57:20 PM)

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ShaharThorne -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/10/2014 4:42:07 PM)

Still walking to school without any shoes uphill both ways! What is a switch to do?




LorraineCA -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/10/2014 6:40:12 PM)

I believe that the USA is getting better and there are more opportunities for the younger generation then there ever has been. Education and learning is at everyone's fingertips who has a computer connected to the internet. Anyone can get a college degree at accredited online colleges without leaving there homes.

Have you seen the new robots they are developing? Check it out on youtube. They look just like us. I wish I could be born again 50-years from now. Even racism in the USA has improved and isn't as bad as it once was.




shiftyw -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/10/2014 6:53:19 PM)

I'm 25.

As "The Sunscreen Song" says: Accept certain inalienable truths, prices will rise, politicians will philander, you too will get old, and when you do you’ll fantasize that when you were young prices were reasonable, politicians were noble and children respected their elders.

I really think everyone likes to whine about this, EVEN PEOPLE MY AGE (which makes me crazy). I think its kinda silly. I realize that what Miley Cyrus is doing is "more risque" than what the Beatles are doing, but I bet a lot of people recall hearing about how "risque" they were.

Another thing is...I hear all the time that "kids these days don't know how to work!" - I just think we're working in different ways and industries- and that doesn't mean we don't know what a hard days work is, it might not be physically hard- but its work...so I don't understand why anyone feels superior because they have worked a physically demanding job (or vice versa).

Everything changes and trends shift, I don't even see the differences in generations as "better" or "worse" I just see them as shifts.





FrostedFlake -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/10/2014 10:51:29 PM)

Why in My day....


Waitaminute. This IS my day.




Kana -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/11/2014 6:27:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HipPoindexter

I was a young fogey. At age 12, my hero was Alex P Keaton. I wore sweater vests. I had my own subscription (well my grandfather paid for it) to the National Review and I diligently read the editorials William F. Buckley Jr. wrote--in hindsight so polysyllabic and so vacuous. I read the classics. I muttered about the decline of the west and how the world was going right to hell because of loose morals and the decline in family values. My father, to his credit, snickered at me.

One day he showed me some essays by long dead Englishmen (the Oxbridge dudes, the ones who always went by three initials and some blueblood surname) about the decline in values and the unwillingness of the young to seize the bull by the horns and get their hands dirty and all that rot. He told me about his grandfather's complaints about his father's generation (the omg Greatest Generation). After that, I became intensely aware of old editorials/essays/television shows/etc about how the world was going right to hell. It became clear that the world had been Going Straight to Hell since the first Greek complained that his contemporaries were men made of bronze instead of the men made of gold of the Golden Age.

So I guess I'm wondering: Do you really think the world is getting worse and the kids today are Out of Control? Do you remember when the old timers were shaking their heads and talking the same shit about you?

You young whippersnapper-Get Offa My Lawn




MariaB -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/11/2014 7:23:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: windchymes

I remember how I used to complain about my mother-in-law and the way she held my babies, the silly way she burped them, what a know-it-all she thought she was, and dammit, she keeps scraping my teflon pots and pans with metal utensils!!!!! I realize now what a good person she was, and now that I find myself the mother-in-law of two, do you know those little bitches have the nerve to complain about me to MY SON via TEXT MESSAGE, while he's SITTING RIGHT IN THE ROOM!!! I swear, this world is going to hell in a handbasket! [;)]


Oh wow, I can relate to this so much!




Domnotlooking -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/11/2014 7:34:55 AM)

Well, the read a book-thing seems to be pretty dead and buried amongst the young.

It's their life, but it doesn't make me Grandpa Simpson to go out on a limb with a stance of book = good. To quote Chris Rock, they look at a book like it's kryptonite.

I feel bad for their young, dumb asses, tho. Just read a good article in The Atlantic about just how reamed they are by various demographic and economic trends that are only going to get worse. I can see why they're in no mood to carefully parse the symbolism in Moby Dick.

I've offered a lot of strings-free educational opportunities to various young people. No takers. The percentage of go-getters from the era of my own youth has gotta be half or worse. To my own credit, I keep these opinions/advice to myself when talking to the young.

Scene that will never happen: Young person listening to me and saying, "yeah, I gotta buck up already and catch myself a clue. I'm really, really grateful that we had this meaningful little chat".




MariaB -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/11/2014 8:03:07 AM)

I think its much more a virtual world today and I suppose that's only good if you can keep up with it!. Many teens and young adults today seem to see the online world as an extension of reality and I don't know if that's healthy. An example of that is, I can go out to dinner with my two sons and both of them will be picking up messages left for them on facebook and Twitter whilst we are eating. Whilst my generation are able to close down their virtual world when necessary, a lot of youngsters today don't seem able turn that world off.

I think the leap between my children's generation and my parents generation is a huge one because technology has left my parents generation behind and my generation are having more and more difficulty keeping up. Don't get me wrong, I love technology and if it helps kids and adolescents then all of this comes with a lot of positives but when they can no longer manage their tools because the tools are managing them, I can't help but feel there's some unintentional brain washing going on.

yes, each generation complains and worries about the next generation but this recent change is indeed more rapid than any comparable change we have seen before and yes, I do worry about it.




Domnotlooking -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/11/2014 8:21:09 AM)

The texting, FaceBook thing is a pile of stupid, LOL blather to me.

I read my wife's daughter's twitter feed and it's 100% thought-free. She's just to and fro-ing with the same six boneheads over absolutely nothing. If one of them gets a sandwich at Panera, the other 5 no-lifers see it on their cell phones as its happening. I wonder what they have left to talk about when they eventually meet up.

Still, I recall that cable TV was certainly going to herald the beginning of people watching town meetings and participating in democracy, and how the internet was going to have me bonding with some guy in North Korea and singing We Are The World together. Everything turns to shit.

The young seem to like a lot self-congratulatory, brain-dead crap. Their lack of curiosity is stunning.

But then again, I had a haircut like Peter Frampton back in the day and thought that Cheech and Chong were actually funny, so it's best I resist from throwing stones.




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/11/2014 10:01:19 AM)

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
- Socrates

More than 2400 years ago.




Kana -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/11/2014 11:14:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
- Socrates

More than 2400 years ago.

Meet the new Boss,same as the old Boss




HipPoindexter -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/11/2014 1:09:37 PM)

Tell ya the problem with kids today. They got their playboxes, they got their X Stations, but not a one of them, not a damn ONE of them, knows how to set up a play on a vibrating football game. Back in my day we spent hours intricately designing plays on those games....HEY where are you going get back here I'm not done....HOURS I tell you setting up plays then we'd turn the game on and you know what happened? Nothing good! Nothing good, that's what happened! Nothing went as planned. And that taught us about life. It taught us about disappointment. It taught us that all your plans turn to frustration and you live long enough for your hopes and dreams to taste like ashes in your mouth....I SAID GET BACK HERE I'M TALKING TO YOU....not a damn one of these kids today could walk over to my 1976 Hasbro vibrating football game and set up Mr. Roger Staubach's first possession after the halftime in Superbowl X and that's what's wrong with kids today. Roger Staubach now there was a quarterback. Last of a breed....hey come back here.....




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/11/2014 9:28:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HipPoindexter

I was a young fogey. At age 12, my hero was Alex P Keaton. I wore sweater vests. I had my own subscription (well my grandfather paid for it) to the National Review and I diligently read the editorials William F. Buckley Jr. wrote--in hindsight so polysyllabic and so vacuous. I read the classics. I muttered about the decline of the west and how the world was going right to hell because of loose morals and the decline in family values. My father, to his credit, snickered at me.

One day he showed me some essays by long dead Englishmen (the Oxbridge dudes, the ones who always went by three initials and some blueblood surname) about the decline in values and the unwillingness of the young to seize the bull by the horns and get their hands dirty and all that rot. He told me about his grandfather's complaints about his father's generation (the omg Greatest Generation). After that, I became intensely aware of old editorials/essays/television shows/etc about how the world was going right to hell. It became clear that the world had been Going Straight to Hell since the first Greek complained that his contemporaries were men made of bronze instead of the men made of gold of the Golden Age.

So I guess I'm wondering: Do you really think the world is getting worse and the kids today are Out of Control? Do you remember when the old timers were shaking their heads and talking the same shit about you?


All that aside, you gotta admit, Arthur Burns was a rock star.




HipPoindexter -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/12/2014 3:07:09 PM)

The part of my that loves monsters, and therefore Richard Nixon, will never let me forget that, whatever his failings at the Fed, Burns was a good soldier in the end.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: HipPoindexter

I was a young fogey. At age 12, my hero was Alex P Keaton. I wore sweater vests. I had my own subscription (well my grandfather paid for it) to the National Review and I diligently read the editorials William F. Buckley Jr. wrote--in hindsight so polysyllabic and so vacuous. I read the classics. I muttered about the decline of the west and how the world was going right to hell because of loose morals and the decline in family values. My father, to his credit, snickered at me.

One day he showed me some essays by long dead Englishmen (the Oxbridge dudes, the ones who always went by three initials and some blueblood surname) about the decline in values and the unwillingness of the young to seize the bull by the horns and get their hands dirty and all that rot. He told me about his grandfather's complaints about his father's generation (the omg Greatest Generation). After that, I became intensely aware of old editorials/essays/television shows/etc about how the world was going right to hell. It became clear that the world had been Going Straight to Hell since the first Greek complained that his contemporaries were men made of bronze instead of the men made of gold of the Golden Age.

So I guess I'm wondering: Do you really think the world is getting worse and the kids today are Out of Control? Do you remember when the old timers were shaking their heads and talking the same shit about you?


All that aside, you gotta admit, Arthur Burns was a rock star.





hlen5 -> RE: Question about the damned kids today and the world going to hell in a handbasket by gum by golly.... (1/12/2014 3:16:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake

Why in My day....


Waitaminute. This IS my day.

[:D][:D][:D]




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