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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/17/2014 9:55:33 PM   
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What kind of ridiculous response is that?

If you don't think that people at Folsom get led around in front of crowds by leashes in their underwear, feeling free from the risk of anyone being arrested, you literally have no clue what happens there.

It is very much a chance to experience some of the fantasies that normally have to be done in private because we don't force our kink on the non-consenting public at the grocery store.
Many people wait all year or even years, to get the chance to experience something like that in real life.

So yeah, that means that for some people Folsom, et al. serves exactly the purpose I said, besides educational and other goals.


And 'keyboard commando' my ass, I'll stand behind my track record for progressive activism any time.



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Isn't that what Folsom Street Fair etc. is for?

Have you been there? Have you walked among the streets?

Have you seen what they do? What the organizers do????

I'll bet that they raise more money for AIDS awareness than some keyboard commandos do in a lifetime.




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RE: Porn isn't real life.w - 1/19/2014 2:36:24 AM   
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Anyone for nine inch nails then? 


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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/19/2014 9:00:20 AM   
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Wow!
Although they are asking alot, but I am sure they can find someone who would be willing to do some of that, if they keep looking.
I think no matter how crazy the kink is, there is always someone out there that would share the same and be willing to do it. But that is just trying to spot a needle in the haystack, so it takes continuous looking and patience.
Anyway, are sub males always so demanding and whiny? I prefer to take care of a real baby than a full grown man who acts like one.


This was kind of my thought too - were they paying to see you? Seemed odd they would be so demanding... I can't imagine treating any prospective partner that way


The problem is that many of these 'subs' are not really, they are into the fetish of jerking off to the videos and see a dominant kind of like in porn videos, 'servicing them'. It would be like meeting a girl, and then in bed insisting on doing a cumshot on their face and when she balks, says "why, girls love to do that". They are off on a fantasy jag, and in their head like the porn they watch, it is there to get themselves off and so if the woman they are approaching.......

Porn can be a wonderful thing, there is nothing wrong with fantasy, but it also is kind of like adult romance novels women flock to these days. I like some of them a lot, as cheezy as some of the plots are, but there are women who read those books and then are surprised when most men aren't these incredibly well built, semi bad boy, ex military or cop or athlete, who can get it up 4 times in a night, vanquish the bad guy, get them flowers and otherwise make the main female character melt (think about Kathleen Turner's character in "Romancing the Stone").

I agree with another poster, if some cluck wants you to wear 9" heels in a club, tell him to buy himself a pair and send you pictures...among other things, he would realize that 5 and 6" heels are pretty murderous on the feet, and also are prone to slips and falls and being tripped:)

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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/19/2014 9:07:42 AM   
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Folsom street fair is a place where people can let out their inner selves and not be afraid, if some guy wants to be put on a collar and leash and walked around crawling, it would be one of the milder things there:). It also has a serious side, those folks raise a lot of money for various charities as well.....the thing about Folsom is it is consensual, if you go to the fair (which used to be held in the SOMA district of SF, which at the time I was there was pretty industrial and/or funky) you know what you are getting into, whereas being led on a leash and collar at a mall or restaurant is forcing people not into your kink to be involved,which again is the fantasy element coming into play,not understanding that your kink may not be others..

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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/19/2014 6:31:40 PM   
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90% of the people who are newbies have unrealistic expectations. Fantasy is not reality and they haven't figured it out yet.

In fact, I think that is why so many marriages fail.

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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/19/2014 7:52:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: njlauren


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ORIGINAL: SoulAlloy


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Wow!
Although they are asking alot, but I am sure they can find someone who would be willing to do some of that, if they keep looking.
I think no matter how crazy the kink is, there is always someone out there that would share the same and be willing to do it. But that is just trying to spot a needle in the haystack, so it takes continuous looking and patience.
Anyway, are sub males always so demanding and whiny? I prefer to take care of a real baby than a full grown man who acts like one.


This was kind of my thought too - were they paying to see you? Seemed odd they would be so demanding... I can't imagine treating any prospective partner that way


The problem is that many of these 'subs' are not really, they are into the fetish of jerking off to the videos and see a dominant kind of like in porn videos, 'servicing them'. It would be like meeting a girl, and then in bed insisting on doing a cumshot on their face and when she balks, says "why, girls love to do that". They are off on a fantasy jag, and in their head like the porn they watch, it is there to get themselves off and so if the woman they are approaching.......

Porn can be a wonderful thing, there is nothing wrong with fantasy, but it also is kind of like adult romance novels women flock to these days. I like some of them a lot, as cheezy as some of the plots are, but there are women who read those books and then are surprised when most men aren't these incredibly well built, semi bad boy, ex military or cop or athlete, who can get it up 4 times in a night, vanquish the bad guy, get them flowers and otherwise make the main female character melt (think about Kathleen Turner's character in "Romancing the Stone").

I agree with another poster, if some cluck wants you to wear 9" heels in a club, tell him to buy himself a pair and send you pictures...among other things, he would realize that 5 and 6" heels are pretty murderous on the feet, and also are prone to slips and falls and being tripped:)



That makes a lot of sense. Thank you!

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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/19/2014 7:57:44 PM   
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I'm not sure if there's a full moon or something but I think a lot of people are forgetting the fact that porn isn't real life. In the past day I've had a handful of potential subs get very angry because I explained to them that there fantasies were not realistic. One wanted to buy me a pair of heels and I sent him over to my wishlist. Now I'm one for a pretty hair heel, I usually rock a 5-6 incher. And he was mad because the heels I had "weren't high enough." He then sent me a link to a pair of nine inch heels. I told him unfortunately I had no use for those as they weren't practical. He explained he wanted me to wear them out one night and send him photos of me wearing them. I told him there was no way I was going to maneuver my way around a crowded nightclub in nine inch heels and he got all mad ranting how "girls in videos wear them all the time." Next I had another potential submissive I was supposed to meet for coffee at a local mall try to completely change the terms of our meet. He now wanted me to parade him around the mall with a collar and leash while he was shirtless on his hands and knees. I'm pretty sure mall security would have me thrown out 30 seconds in. His reasoning? He had "seen it on a video and wanted to try it." Anyone else get frustrated by the amount of people who completely unrealistic and don't understand the difference between porn and real life?


Unfortunately porn is real enough to destroy relationships and dehumanize women.

Should pornography be banned as a threat to women?

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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/19/2014 8:09:08 PM   
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I'm not sure if there's a full moon or something but I think a lot of people are forgetting the fact that porn isn't real life. In the past day I've had a handful of potential subs get very angry because I explained to them that there fantasies were not realistic. One wanted to buy me a pair of heels and I sent him over to my wishlist. Now I'm one for a pretty hair heel, I usually rock a 5-6 incher. And he was mad because the heels I had "weren't high enough." He then sent me a link to a pair of nine inch heels. I told him unfortunately I had no use for those as they weren't practical. He explained he wanted me to wear them out one night and send him photos of me wearing them. I told him there was no way I was going to maneuver my way around a crowded nightclub in nine inch heels and he got all mad ranting how "girls in videos wear them all the time." Next I had another potential submissive I was supposed to meet for coffee at a local mall try to completely change the terms of our meet. He now wanted me to parade him around the mall with a collar and leash while he was shirtless on his hands and knees. I'm pretty sure mall security would have me thrown out 30 seconds in. His reasoning? He had "seen it on a video and wanted to try it." Anyone else get frustrated by the amount of people who completely unrealistic and don't understand the difference between porn and real life?


Unfortunately porn is real enough to destroy relationships and dehumanize women.

Should pornography be banned as a threat to women?



It's also a hell of a lot of fun.
I would still probably be a very confused and frustrated vanilla person if BDSM porn hadn't shown me what I was feeling had a name, the things that excited me weren't that crazy, and that I wasn't alone in my desires.
I currently have an amazingly fulfilling sex life and I don't know if I would have gotten this far this fast if porn hadn't shown me the way.


Porn gives people a safe way to fantasize things that might be too crazy.

What I want to know Lorraine is if you are referring to all porn or just select bits of it, and if so, which?

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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/19/2014 8:39:04 PM   
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Banned along with CollarMe? YOu are aware that many people consider citing Dworkin and MacKinnon to be on a par with citing David Duke on race relations, right?



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I'm not sure if there's a full moon or something but I think a lot of people are forgetting the fact that porn isn't real life. In the past day I've had a handful of potential subs get very angry because I explained to them that there fantasies were not realistic. One wanted to buy me a pair of heels and I sent him over to my wishlist. Now I'm one for a pretty hair heel, I usually rock a 5-6 incher. And he was mad because the heels I had "weren't high enough." He then sent me a link to a pair of nine inch heels. I told him unfortunately I had no use for those as they weren't practical. He explained he wanted me to wear them out one night and send him photos of me wearing them. I told him there was no way I was going to maneuver my way around a crowded nightclub in nine inch heels and he got all mad ranting how "girls in videos wear them all the time." Next I had another potential submissive I was supposed to meet for coffee at a local mall try to completely change the terms of our meet. He now wanted me to parade him around the mall with a collar and leash while he was shirtless on his hands and knees. I'm pretty sure mall security would have me thrown out 30 seconds in. His reasoning? He had "seen it on a video and wanted to try it." Anyone else get frustrated by the amount of people who completely unrealistic and don't understand the difference between porn and real life?


Unfortunately porn is real enough to destroy relationships and dehumanize women.

Should pornography be banned as a threat to women?




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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/20/2014 12:47:43 AM   
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I don't think porn should be banned by any means. I'm a fan of it myself. I just understand the difference between reality and fantasy. I think some people have difficulty making that distinction.

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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/20/2014 7:07:55 AM   
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"girls in videos wear them all the time."

He had "seen it on a video and wanted to try it."

I think a big part of what's going on here is that those women were on the other end of his computer, and so are you. Now of course a movie set -- even a porn set -- is a controlled environment. Bondage shoots often have someone off camera with safety shears, just in case things go wrong, stuff like that. But the intention is to make the control invisible, to create the illusion that everything happened spontaneously.

That illusion works on some people, who also have a hard time differentiating one woman on their computer screen from another. You "feel the same" as a porn actress or a cam model, because the guy is interacting with you in the same way.

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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/20/2014 8:12:27 AM   
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Back in '92, I had the fortune (or misfortune) of standing by at the club I worked at when a member booked the facility for a shoot. My job was to (A) help them move the larger pieces around, (B) stand by with shears/bolt cutters, and (C) keep the club's 'smalls' property (cuffs, impact toys, etc) from walking away with the cast and crew. It took place on a Monday, which was the day the club stayed closed for cleaning/maintenance. And was my normal day off, but I was offered a bonus for doing it.

It was a zoo. The shoot started around ten in the morning, with a stock femdom series that required a couple of scene changes (things like move the St Andrews out and replace with cages, things like that). The 'director' was the club member, who had a real photographer working for him. The first two hours were nothing but test shots for lighting levels while the 'stars' got ready. Myself and three other staffers were kept busy as hell moving shit around to kill shadows, playing with the house lights, moving cables, mundane grunt work until he had a 'set' that would work. Note to potential porn photographers, a real fet club is a terrible place for a photo shoot.

The 'star' was late coming in, and was a real bitch to deal with. She had been invited by the member hosting it, and she brought her own posse with her (makeup/hair stylist, bodyguard, and 'Stan', whose role was unclear at best). The first bunch of 'victims' were also out-of-towners who got lost on the way down and had to be escorted to the door from a couple blocks away. The first shots didn't get taken until after one in the afternoon, and it was a maddeningly slow process as they went through the motions. Around three, the next 'star' finally showed up, another traveling pro who was to play the 'victim' in the lezdom part of the shoot. Another hour wait while she got ready, and the guys from the femdom shoot got themselves set up for the 'leatherman' shoot.

I won't detail all the twists and tangles that went on. The photographer would call out the poses, they'd freeze in tableau, take the shot and set up again for the next one. The 'director' was getting pissed because he had no idea what happened in one of these things (he'd been in the first series until he got tired of the process and quit), and was last seen arguing with the first 'pro' about his unhappiness with the way things were going. She got pissed and stormed out, and the second 'pro' who'd shown up to play 'victim' in the lezdom series had to take over for the maledom series they'd planned. Halfway through that series, Pro #1 came back in and demanded to be let back into the shoot because the 'director' told her he wasn't going to pay her if she bailed before it was done, so we had to tear everything apart and re-set the way it had been planned for her scenes.

All through this, me and the other staffers had to watch all these strangers like hawks to make sure the club's stuff didn't disappear into a suitcase or gear bag, set up and take down the 'big' cages and other furniture (all of which could be broken down for storage). A couple of times, the photographer would have to stop and discuss things with the lead staffer who was in charge of props and safety for risky shots (overheads and suspensions) and we'd have to do a lot of the rigging for that.

All in all, it was the most unsexy thing I'd ever seen go on in that club in the two and half years I worked there. It wasn't like a 'scene' in the least, stopping and starting in a herky-jerky fashion as the actors would assume a pose, the shots were taken, and then re-set for the next series. And this was all done on old-fashioned 35mm film, which meant the photographer must have burned through a couple of hundred rolls in that one shoot. I wish I could remember his name, he was a real professional while all the conundrum was going on.

Want to know the weird thing? After more than a decade of (koffkoff) 'research', I have yet to see one single image from that shoot anywhere online. One of the other guys I was working with told me that the photographer would probably sit on the shots for a couple of years before selling them, which perplexed me because of all the trouble it was to take them in the first place. After that affair, I never saw either of the 'pros' who were featured in it ever show up at the club again, and the member who'd hosted it stopped coming in on the regular basis he used to before. And despite our best efforts, we still managed to lose a few props to the 'castmembers'.

The club docked the member for the losses, we got bitched out, but they couldn't foist blame on us entirely because we had to move stuff in and out of the space and up to the second-floor storage area (long story there). I was on the clock for fourteen hours that day, because we had to break everything down and put it away so the floor crew could do their thing the next day. Whenever I see porn, I always imagine it taking place like that now.

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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/20/2014 9:16:45 AM   
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Nope. Not frustrated, but i might be if i was hunting for male subs.


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RE: Porn isn't real life - 1/20/2014 1:28:24 PM   
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I do indulge in findom so they were potential fin subs but no they weren't paying me for the coffee meet or to wear the shoes. And yes I do find a lot of males subs try to top from the bottom or have a very specific idea of how a Domme should act but that's just my experience. The first one I spoke of with the heels was unbelievably pushy too.


When a customer intends to pay for a service, he gets to negotiate for what he wants or not buy the service.

For example, I like really deep massages. I specify this upfront. If the masseuse doesn't deliver, I give her less of a tip than I normally would and don't go back.

Now, if my man were to give me a crappy massage, I'd kiss him and say "Thank you, honey."

What percentage of your clients are actually interested in submission, rather than a fetish delivery service?



I am a financial Domme not a pro Domme. I don't have clients. I specify this up front always so there's no confusion. I'd rather not turn this into a financial domination debate but there is a difference. I don't just do anything that's requested for money. I do what I enjoy and if that's what a sub also enjoys then that's awesome but I don't do things I'm not interested in to make a buck. So I don't have "customers" the financial exchange is the fetish. Anything else is an added bonus.


They are contemplating giving you money and so do feel like clients. See also:

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That illusion works on some people, who also have a hard time differentiating one woman on their computer screen from another. You "feel the same" as a porn actress or a cam model, because the guy is interacting with you in the same way.

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RE: Porn isn't real life - 1/20/2014 2:44:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ThePrincessKali

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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I do indulge in findom so they were potential fin subs but no they weren't paying me for the coffee meet or to wear the shoes. And yes I do find a lot of males subs try to top from the bottom or have a very specific idea of how a Domme should act but that's just my experience. The first one I spoke of with the heels was unbelievably pushy too.


When a customer intends to pay for a service, he gets to negotiate for what he wants or not buy the service.

For example, I like really deep massages. I specify this upfront. If the masseuse doesn't deliver, I give her less of a tip than I normally would and don't go back.

Now, if my man were to give me a crappy massage, I'd kiss him and say "Thank you, honey."

What percentage of your clients are actually interested in submission, rather than a fetish delivery service?



I am a financial Domme not a pro Domme. I don't have clients. I specify this up front always so there's no confusion. I'd rather not turn this into a financial domination debate but there is a difference. I don't just do anything that's requested for money. I do what I enjoy and if that's what a sub also enjoys then that's awesome but I don't do things I'm not interested in to make a buck. So I don't have "customers" the financial exchange is the fetish. Anything else is an added bonus.


They are contemplating giving you money and so do feel like clients. See also:

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Original: RedMagic1

That illusion works on some people, who also have a hard time differentiating one woman on their computer screen from another. You "feel the same" as a porn actress or a cam model, because the guy is interacting with you in the same way.



I get that they may confuse a pro Domme and a fin Domme or have expectations since they are giving me money. But my point was that I have been getting an influx of requests recently for very unrealistic things and the justification is that they saw it being done in porn. Walking someone around a busy shopping mall by a collar and leash in the middle of the day is not practical, that's the point I was making.

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RE: Porn isn't real life - 1/20/2014 3:38:36 PM   
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Go to the appliance store, paint some appliance boxes in the facade of botiques, tape them to the basement walls and there you have it.  Never say never.

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RE: Porn isn't real life - 1/20/2014 3:41:06 PM   
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I have been getting an influx of requests recently for very unrealistic things and the justification is that they saw it being done in porn. Walking someone around a busy shopping mall by a collar and leash in the middle of the day is not practical, that's the point I was making.

I don't know what might be causing the influx, but the impracticality of public play depends on the country you're in. That's why Public Disgrace is able to shoot. There's a good chance your correspondent was referring to their videos.

http://www.publicdisgrace.com/site/

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RE: Porn isn't real life - 1/20/2014 5:13:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: ThePrincessKali
I have been getting an influx of requests recently for very unrealistic things and the justification is that they saw it being done in porn. Walking someone around a busy shopping mall by a collar and leash in the middle of the day is not practical, that's the point I was making.

I don't know what might be causing the influx, but the impracticality of public play depends on the country you're in. That's why Public Disgrace is able to shoot. There's a good chance your correspondent was referring to their videos.

http://www.publicdisgrace.com/site/



He wanted it to occur in California.

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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/20/2014 5:47:01 PM   
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What??... First, good manners prevent a person from telling a STRANGER (only meeting for first time, right?) what to wear or to do so you are dealing with a rude person. Second-, granted I am a sub personality...I could NEVER tell someone what to wear or do. Third- have they ever looked up the definition of "submissive"??

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RE: Porn isn't real life. - 1/20/2014 6:13:04 PM   
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I'm not sure if there's a full moon or something but I think a lot of people are forgetting the fact that porn isn't real life. In the past day I've had a handful of potential subs get very angry because I explained to them that there fantasies were not realistic. One wanted to buy me a pair of heels and I sent him over to my wishlist. Now I'm one for a pretty hair heel, I usually rock a 5-6 incher. And he was mad because the heels I had "weren't high enough." He then sent me a link to a pair of nine inch heels. I told him unfortunately I had no use for those as they weren't practical. He explained he wanted me to wear them out one night and send him photos of me wearing them. I told him there was no way I was going to maneuver my way around a crowded nightclub in nine inch heels and he got all mad ranting how "girls in videos wear them all the time." Next I had another potential submissive I was supposed to meet for coffee at a local mall try to completely change the terms of our meet. He now wanted me to parade him around the mall with a collar and leash while he was shirtless on his hands and knees. I'm pretty sure mall security would have me thrown out 30 seconds in. His reasoning? He had "seen it on a video and wanted to try it." Anyone else get frustrated by the amount of people who completely unrealistic and don't understand the difference between porn and real life?

Fucking let em ramble, expound to all levels, tell their weirdest crap, then jeer at em, remind em you're the dominant one in this here relationship and they can pronto start doing things the way you want to or they can let the door hit em on the way out.
That should straighten things out right quick

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