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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/9/2006 12:53:57 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		If I met a submissive who claimed to be "trained" before seeking a master, my first suspicion would be that she doesn't know what the hell a master is.  I'd ask what she means by "training," and then decide on the basis of her answer whether that suspicion was right.

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ORIGINAL: submissiveclassy

"Is it best for a submissive to be trained before seeking a  Master"?  

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/10/2006 11:06:20 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		A Butler is trained in many things and changes bosses from time to time, are the skills he learned from his training and time in service to a previous boss more or less wasted?

I would contend that there are not many skills and areas of knowledge that will transfer at 90% or better to most any owner. Keeping a budget, basic cooking, basic cleaning, budgeting all sorts of things that you can learn from a good Home Economics class.

Additionally I would add in Time Management / Organization as a skill that would never be wasted, in most of these skill areas it is simply a matter of not being welded in place to the standards you learned but knowing the fundamental ideas behind them that make them universal.

Service is service want to see what is in demand as far as skills take a look at the job listings and what the people are asking for. Supply and Demand work in D/s the same way they do in almost anything else.

In Leather

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 12:00:18 AM   
popeye1250


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I'm going to train her to what I want anyway.
Any "training" she's had in the past is "experience" only.

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 2:39:53 AM   
shadevarr


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Status: offline 		Some training is good, especially in so far as realizing where your hard limits are. I wouldn't take on another sub that doesn't know where she stands on certain play because I don't play by the standard rules, hence some prior experience is almost required.

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 2:47:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: submissiveclassy

Would appreciate E/everyone's thoughts on.   " Is it best for a submissive to be trained before seeking a  Master"?  


Hello submissiveclassy,

The only thing I really needed to know, before I asked my Master if he'd take me was, was * Is it possible for me to bend my will to his?*.

No amount of *training* in the trappings of BDSM, protocol or anything else pertaining to the lifestyle would have been of any use to me without that one piece of knowledge.

Regards, agirl

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 11:53:17 AM   
LordShadow


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Status: offline 		Personally, I would prefer one untrained myself. As each Home/Master is different, so will be the training she receives. Even the basics will be different.
The more training/experience she has, the more obstacles and "untraining" I have to do to overcome the Principles she was taught by another. In taking a girl to the Home, if she has been trained by another I will ask her of her previous experience and training, I will seek one who has been taught similar principles to my own. 


Shadow

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 2:12:24 PM   
Owned1


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Status: offline 		my suggesetion is always learn all you can about yourself,  develop talents that will make you a better sub/slave, care for yourself to make yourself attractive to the One who will possess you.

If you want to play find someone to who you can trust to play with you, training is not necessary

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 2:51:04 PM   
agirl


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owned1

my suggesetion is always learn all you can about yourself,  develop talents that will make you a better sub/slave, care for yourself to make yourself attractive to the One who will possess you.

If you want to play find someone to who you can trust to play with you, training is not necessary


What are the precise talents that make someone a better sub/slave?

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 3:37:42 PM   
tpas69


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Status: offline 		everyone has their own style so you are to be open and except that fact so it doesn't matter either way the only thing that matters is who you are with at the time. A sub/slave thought in general is that they are to serve to service is their pleasure

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 3:56:01 PM   
ravn


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So scenario is as thus:

You find the 'One'! He's perfect for you in every way. Sounds great, right? And it is. He trains you, He takes care of you, you serve Him. It's a win-win.
Then something happens. He dies, or He decides you've gotten 'too old' for His tastes and you're left stranded.
Does having this experience and this training make you useless to another Dominant? No, all it means is that He has to erase the chalkboard before He can write on it.

So, here's to felt erasers and chalk dust. Get out there and live!


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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 4:01:33 PM   
irishbynature


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Status: offline 		Regardless, wouldn't  Dominant will train you to His liking...whether a sub is experienced or inexperienced? (*Shrugs shoulders*)
Warmly,
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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 4:40:14 PM   
CrappyDom


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I don't use felt erasers, I use sandpaper...

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 5:39:30 PM   
ravn


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Status: offline 		ooo...that actually sounds like fun- hopefully you find a good masochist! 

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 5:56:48 PM   
CrappyDom


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On masochists I use silk...

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 6:13:59 PM   
ravn


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Status: offline 		::cries:: You must be one hell of a Sadist Sir

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/14/2006 9:10:49 PM   
Sinergy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: submissiveclassy

Would appreciate E/everyone's thoughts on.   " Is it best for a submissive to be trained before seeking a  Master"?  


Hello A/all,

Personally, I dont generally care whether she is trained or untrained.

What matters to me is whether she can still be taught, as I might do things a different way.

Coming to me as a submissive already trained to give a blowjob is nice.  Being able to learn or unlearn a particular behavior, without all sorts of sturm und drang, is pure gold. 

Just me, could be wrong.

Sinergy

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/15/2006 12:04:19 AM   
Padriag


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quote:

ORIGINAL: irishbynature

Regardless, wouldn't  Dominant will train you to His liking...whether a sub is experienced or inexperienced? (*Shrugs shoulders*)
Warmly,
Irishbynature

Since you replied to my post, I assume that was directed at me.  Of course a dominant will train a submissive to their liking (or at least attempt to).  I don't quite follow your question, my post outlined some of the advantages and disadvantages to working with both trained and untrained submissives.

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/15/2006 12:25:52 AM   
vield


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Status: offline 		A dominant may certainly decide to train a new submissive, whether he or she has previous experience or not. A dominant may choose to accept a well trained submissive because they have skills the dom likes already.
A new or inexperienced dominant may decide to accept a very experienced submissive in order to learn things the dominant seeks to know. 
Training is something some dominants crave to do, and some submissives crave to get. Not all doms or subs feel this way.
For these folks training will not end, and new partners may regularly be needed.
It makes a big difference to train as a goal or to train to reach goals.
vield

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/15/2006 3:19:50 AM   
mons


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Status: offline 		gentlemen
 
i have read all of the replies to the post i find you all to be kind and firm with a almost gentle touch towards whom ever you pick! but being a domme i find that i could not give up control that is why i am a domme i trust leverl is very low when it comes to having a male rule over my thoughts and action and pleasure i want to have .
but i must say you all are what i first said gentlemen please do take care and as always be kind with you stuff
 
wishing you well
mons

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RE: trained or un trained??? - 7/15/2006 6:51:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Here is how I work it.

If the little cunt is hot, like some 20something hottie who I am not likely to be able to add to my harem, I offer to train them using my vast experience which I learned on this stupid CD somebody gave me, so even though they wouldn't consider me relationship material, they end up on their backs while I train them anyway.

If they are timid, sometimes I offer them training as a way of "easing" them into the scene and onto their backs.

For those with a bit more experience who don't buy the above lines of BS I explain my high standards for training in the "high protocol" which always sounds impressive and how if they serve me directly, I will train them in the "old ways" which all the people who have come on the scene after me last week just DON'T understand.


LOL Crappy . I loved it when Chicago did "Old Ways'. Or was that the O'Jays?
 
Being trained is next to useless, for my wants. Better that a submissive has a deep and genuine desire to obey and please me, and an acceptable amount of intelligence.

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