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Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/26/2014 10:15:34 AM   
Protector32


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Status: offline 		One of my favorite activities with the right lady is giving her a tantric/sexual massage. You can get many different definitions of what constitutes a tantric massage. If you don't like my use of the term tantric substitute the word sexual and lets move on.

When I do one it goes down in the following sequence:

1) Relax
2) Concentrate
3) Release

1. Relax: First, I use the knowledge of anatomy and physiology gained through extensive study and years of experience as a US Army Master Fitness Train the Trainer and ISSA Certified Weight Trainer. I use that knowledge to slowly work to release the tension that has accumulated in the various parts of the body. That tension can accumulate just about anywhere but is most commonly found in the shoulders, shoulder blades, scalp, neck and jawline, lower back and hamstrings.

You ignore nothing. Taking the time to even give each toe a gentle stretch and massage as well as the soles of the feet.

This is done slowly. You intentionally want to give the (correct) impression that there is no rush so that the subject can relax and let go. You will stay i the stage as long as it takes to get the subject to relax, totally, completely.

2.) Concentrate: Next you want to work towards concentrating heat, energy, chi, whatever you like to call it, in the erogenous zones of the subject. That involved massaging towards those zones. LIke when massaging the legs, you use both hands on one leg and slowly and methodically squeeze the legs to push the chi in the leg upwards towards the crotch. You do the same with the back, buttocks and etc

A movement I like here on the ass cheeks is to massage the buttocks in a circular motion, top down and out, which has the added effect of stimulating the clit.

3) Now the fun part. The subject is relaxed but is at the same time a coiled spring. The body is like a Tesla coil at this point, bristling with sexual energy that has been concentrated in erogenous zones. You now begin initially slow, methodical, rhythmic actions that slowly but steadily build in pressure and tempo which typically results in encouraging the subject to let go , and fly.

This is crucial. If the preceding steps have been done correctly, the goal at this point is to reduce the subject to her elementals. If you remember the Paddy Chayefsky book 'Altered States' thats what we are shooting for. A return to the most elemental, the most primitive (Jim Morrison referred to it as 'reptilian') portions of our beings.

The actions taken at this point to produce orgasms (and many, many of them) allow the subject to be literally transformed into the equivalent of a human, orgasm. If the subject is female, she becomes a living, breathing cunt, totall focused on the current, the past and the future orgasms.

Time stops and they are suspended in a waterfall of pleasurable sensation so extreme it can render them speechless, unable to communicate in anything but a primal manner. And at this point she is totally in touch with her inner slut. Fun to watch.

It doesn't get much better.

A lot of work? Yes it is. Tantric/sexual massages can easily last an hour or more.

But the results are worth it.

I like this video as an example. Can a purist argue that its not tantric? Maybe. Think the lady cares ? :)

Orgasms begin about halfway through :)

http://xhamster.com/movies/1525572/massage_27.html

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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/26/2014 10:22:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Right now a nonsexual massage centered on my hamstrings sounds great. I'd probably want to stop there and take a nap.

But your video is porn, so I'm not sure how realistic it is.

Regardless, if your partner enjoys this then at the end of the day that's all that matters.

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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/26/2014 10:46:14 AM   
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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/26/2014 10:49:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally, the "sensory deprivation" massage works the best - constant levels of teasing/tormenting/unexpected pleasure/pain. Plus Sting is the Tantric man, and he's not written a decent tune since 1983 :)

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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/26/2014 11:02:50 AM   
RedMagic1


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Status: offline 		Nice post, OP. Maybe a bit of a personal ad, but hey. Some comments:

I've investigated tantra a bit, both as giver and receiver. Here's a couple links. I've tried both general approach and specific techniques in them, highly recommended.

http://www.whitelotuseast.com/YoniMassage.htm
http://www.whitelotuseast.com/SacredSpotMassage.htm

One technical quibble I have with the OP is the notion of compressing the thighs in the direction of the buttocks. The rule of thumb is always to compress the body away from the heart, in case you dislodge something.

The tantric goal, as I understand it, is along the lines of self-awareness, self-acceptance, and extended sexual orgasm. About self-acceptance: a lot of women, even sex-positive feminists, don't have a particularly good relation to their own vagina. If the masseur spends a lot of time in that area in a not-really-sexual way, providing relaxing and accepting touch, it can be a profound experience for a woman who has never thought of her vagina as a fully normal and accepted part of her body, just like the small of the back. About extended sexual orgasm: this is a wave of pleasure that isn't so focused on clenching or contracting. Maybe it's more obviously useful for a man, who can feel orgasmic for a long time without ejaculating, so he doesn't crash. But women also get tired out from contractions, and I often feel as though "making" a woman have multiple (standard) orgasms is done more so that the man can have bragging rights, instead of for the sake of ensuring the woman's pleasure is maximized.

A general approach I've found useful:
1. Give a nonsexual full body massage. For example, knead the lady's chest muscles above the bosom. Unless she gets regular massages, she never gets touched there unless there's something sexual involved, so the tension release of a "real" massage in that area can be amazing (and surprising).

2. Transition into an arousing-but-nonsexual yoni massage, like the one in the link. Now it's a lot of fun if she gets wet and hot, but the goal is intimacy and acceptance.

3. Get smexy, but the objective isn't to get her "over the top" (though it isn't wrong if that happens), but to get her euphoric, sort of like subspace, for an extended period of time.

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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/26/2014 1:18:25 PM   
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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/27/2014 11:39:44 AM   
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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/28/2014 5:15:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Protector32

I like this video as an example. Can a purist argue that its not tantric? Maybe. Think the lady cares ? :)



Here is the thing. Tantra is actually something quite specific. Is English rugby the same as American football? I'm not so sure this is a "purist" issue as a complete mislabeling.

Not to mention that tantra is primarily a style of meditation and ritual that in most places actually has NOTHING to do with sex. There is a small practice that has become popularized in the West that seems to be very associated with sex, but again, what you describe is not that. And anything that was that would certainly not appear on a porn site.

If you wish to describe erotic massage on the forum, I suppose that is your prerogative - but I would refrain from using the word "Tantric" as it is severely misleading.

Just as I would not want someone on this site claiming to know about BDSM needle play just because they give themselves insulin shots, I don't think it is fair to say one knows about tantric meditation when one clearly does not. I'm not into labels per se, HOWEVER, there are defined labels for certain things that have actual meaning underlying them. And to use such terms in the wrong way is absolutely misleading.



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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/28/2014 6:13:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well hm. There's a small but growing number of massage therapists who offer "Dark Tantra" -- tantric massage with elements of BDSM. It's the more mystical side of the trend of prodommes offering more kinkassages. I'm not so sure there's a One True Tantra the way there's an extremely precise definition of Zen Buddhism, and who can be a Zen teacher. Tantra seems to be somewhere between that and aromatherapy, where anyone could put out a shingle at any time.

I expect at least some of the Dark Tantra practitioners just enjoy sticking a fist up a man's ass and want to dress it up in smexy mysticism. But what would you say qualifies as the real deal? The links I posted are from a (self-proclaimed) temple. Does that count? Or is that McTantra?

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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/28/2014 7:44:41 PM   
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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/29/2014 7:49:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
Tantra seems to be somewhere between that and aromatherapy, where anyone could put out a shingle at any time.

But what would you say qualifies as the real deal? The links I posted are from a (self-proclaimed) temple. Does that count? Or is that McTantra?


While I think it is fair to say that anyone can put out a shingle at any time (because this is not a regulated industry), we are in a "buyer beware" situation. I am just trying to point out that someone calling something "Tantra" does not make it so.

There are many variations of Tantra and Tantra is primarily about the practice of meditation. Historically, one learned Tantra from specific teachers in India - and your "credentials" as a subsequent teacher were based primarily on who you trained with. I wouldn't learn Tantra from someone unless I fully understood how and with whom they had trained. Everything else is McTantra. I am speaking as someone of Indian background here. I have family members who are versed in Tantra - and it's not about sex and they learned from actual meditative experts in India. Tantra has become like yoga - the latest Western take on something that is far deeper and richer than people realize. I am not saying people cannot engage in McTantra or "faux-ga" as another CM poster described Western yoga, but at least people should be honest about what they are learning/teaching/engaging in.

I am certainly not trying to discourage people from learning true Tantra (something that I think would actually be a worthwhile venture, but it is actually quite time consuming). One doesn't learn Tantra by reading a book, or taking a "session" from some self-described Tantric "expert". Tantra is actually a life-long pursuit of very deep and meaningful things.

Maybe people should just stick to the term "sexual massage" if that is all that they really mean. Why imbue it with all sorts of mystical and deeper connotations unless those connections truly exist? I'm not in favor of things that purposely misconstrue/misrepresent/mislead, etc. Again, my personal take on this. Not trying to prevent anyone's fun. Sexual massage is what it is - and it is fun.

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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/29/2014 9:57:43 AM   
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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 1/29/2014 11:40:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess


Maybe people should just stick to the term "sexual massage" if that is all that they really mean. Why imbue it with all sorts of mystical and deeper connotations unless those connections truly exist? I'm not in favor of things that purposely misconstrue/misrepresent/mislead, etc. Again, my personal take on this. Not trying to prevent anyone's fun. Sexual massage is what it is - and it is fun.


I have to agree with this. I knew nothing about Tantra before I started investigating an experience I had (apparently a Tantric full body orgasm which I have written extensively about). I became intrigued with Tantra and visited a temple in London where it became clear that these practitioners didn't really have a clue about my experience and had certainly never experienced what I had. They wanted to try and re-create it but a sexual massage wasn't what my experience was about, my experience was about deep love and absolute trust. I came away feeling like they were just trying to cheat me out of a serious amount of money.

To this day I still don't know what my experience really was, if it was Tantric or something else. I would still love to know but I would never set foot in one of these so called temples again.


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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 3/1/2014 6:22:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah labels and the "true..." Blah blah.

Most western yoga is taught as a series of poses or postures, whereas ancient yoga, like Tai Chi is a form of meditative movement.

To think yantra is sex, not sex, mediation or otherwise is to listen to the voices in full voice giving opinion to the myriad ways.

Dislodging things by rubbing to the heart? WHAT?!? To relax one works away from the heart and or head and to stimulate you work towards the heart.

To think one thing or another is or not tantra is about as mature as shooting each other over which god you are not addressing properly

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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 3/1/2014 7:01:50 AM   
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I have to admit, after reading the title of the thread, I was prepared to come in and scoff, but I actually liked and approve of what he proposed. And I'm a Certified Massage Therapist. NCBTMB.

Whether it's "tantric" or not, I think it sounds wonderfully relaxing and erotically hot. I don't mean to be gender-bashing, but it's really hard to find men really willing to keep a massage non-sexual and totally devoted to the woman's complete relaxation and happiness. In my opinion, he's worth his weight in gold.....last year's price per ounce, not the current.

I do have to say, though, that if I get all the way to step 3, I refuse to be euphoric until I AM taken "over the top". I'm just that way.

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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 3/1/2014 7:12:50 AM   
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Dislodging things by rubbing to the heart? WHAT?!? To relax one works away from the heart and or head and to stimulate you work towards the heart.



Sometimes you have to rub things both ways to dislodge things.

That being said.....

You deep-stroke towards the core of the body so that the toxins you are massaging out of the muscles can be carried away by the body's lymphatic system. This is why most people have to go pee right after a good massage. You light-stroke away from the body to carry the bad juju energy out the ends of the limbs and top of the head to go out and become good juju.

On my massage table, at least. And I don't get no complaints.

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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 3/1/2014 8:19:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looked at the video, very briefly.

So the tantric orgasm appears to start just after our tantra master starts playing with her clit.

I think there may be something to this tantra business after all.

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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 3/1/2014 8:23:03 AM   
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I'D suggest "Fucking amazing"

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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 3/1/2014 9:11:37 AM   
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I have to admit, after reading the title of the thread, I was prepared to come in and scoff, but I actually liked and approve of what he proposed. And I'm a Certified Massage Therapist. NCBTMB.

Whether it's "tantric" or not, I think it sounds wonderfully relaxing and erotically hot. I don't mean to be gender-bashing, but it's really hard to find men really willing to keep a massage non-sexual and totally devoted to the woman's complete relaxation and happiness. In my opinion, he's worth his weight in gold.....last year's price per ounce, not the current.

I do have to say, though, that if I get all the way to step 3, I refuse to be euphoric until I AM taken "over the top". I'm just that way.


I don't understand. You say "it's really hard to find men really willing to keep a massage non-sexual." The OP is not claiming to be one of these men at all, in fact, his goal is to bring her orgasm.

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RE: Tantric/Sexual Massage - 3/1/2014 9:48:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
The OP is not claiming to be one of these men at all, in fact, his goal is to bring her orgasm.


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