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Kirata -> What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 2:27:10 AM)


An Open Letter from Dylan Farrow
    What’s your favorite Woody Allen movie? Before you answer, you should know: when I was seven years old, Woody Allen took me by the hand and led me into a dim, closet-like attic on the second floor of our house. He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother’s electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me. He talked to me while he did it, whispering that I was a good girl, that this was our secret, promising that we’d go to Paris and I’d be a star in his movies. I remember staring at that toy train, focusing on it as it traveled in its circle around the attic. To this day, I find it difficult to look at toy trains.

    For as long as I could remember, my father had been doing things to me that I didn’t like. I didn’t like how often he would take me away from my mom, siblings and friends to be alone with him. I didn’t like it when he would stick his thumb in my mouth. I didn’t like it when I had to get in bed with him under the sheets when he was in his underwear. I didn’t like it when he would place his head in my naked lap and breathe in and breathe out. I would hide under beds or lock myself in the bathroom to avoid these encounters, but he always found me. These things happened so often, so routinely, so skillfully hidden from a mother that would have protected me had she known, that I thought it was normal. I thought this was how fathers doted on their daughters. But what he did to me in the attic felt different. I couldn’t keep the secret anymore.

    When I asked my mother if her dad did to her what Woody Allen did to me, I honestly did not know the answer. I also didn’t know the firestorm it would trigger. I didn’t know that my father would use his sexual relationship with my sister to cover up the abuse he inflicted on me. I didn’t know that he would accuse my mother of planting the abuse in my head and call her a liar for defending me. I didn’t know that I would be made to recount my story over and over again, to doctor after doctor, pushed to see if I’d admit I was lying as part of a legal battle I couldn’t possibly understand. At one point, my mother sat me down and told me that I wouldn’t be in trouble if I was lying – that I could take it all back. I couldn’t. It was all true. But sexual abuse claims against the powerful stall more easily. There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child.

    After a custody hearing denied my father visitation rights, my mother declined to pursue criminal charges, despite findings of probable cause by the State of Connecticut – due to, in the words of the prosecutor, the fragility of the “child victim.” Woody Allen was never convicted of any crime. That he got away with what he did to me haunted me as I grew up. I was stricken with guilt that I had allowed him to be near other little girls. I was terrified of being touched by men. I developed an eating disorder. I began cutting myself. That torment was made worse by Hollywood. All but a precious few (my heroes) turned a blind eye. Most found it easier to accept the ambiguity, to say, “who can say what happened,” to pretend that nothing was wrong. Actors praised him at awards shows. Networks put him on TV. Critics put him in magazines. Each time I saw my abuser’s face – on a poster, on a t-shirt, on television – I could only hide my panic until I found a place to be alone and fall apart.

    Last week, Woody Allen was nominated for his latest Oscar. But this time, I refuse to fall apart. For so long, Woody Allen’s acceptance silenced me. It felt like a personal rebuke, like the awards and accolades were a way to tell me to shut up and go away. But the survivors of sexual abuse who have reached out to me – to support me and to share their fears of coming forward, of being called a liar, of being told their memories aren’t their memories – have given me a reason to not be silent, if only so others know that they don’t have to be silent either.

    Today, I consider myself lucky. I am happily married. I have the support of my amazing brothers and sisters. I have a mother who found within herself a well of fortitude that saved us from the chaos a predator brought into our home.

    But others are still scared, vulnerable, and struggling for the courage to tell the truth. The message that Hollywood sends matters for them.

    What if it had been your child, Cate Blanchett? Louis CK? Alec Baldwin? What if it had been you, Emma Stone? Or you, Scarlett Johansson? You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?

    Woody Allen is a living testament to the way our society fails the survivors of sexual assault and abuse.

    So imagine your seven-year-old daughter being led into an attic by Woody Allen. Imagine she spends a lifetime stricken with nausea at the mention of his name. Imagine a world that celebrates her tormenter.

    Are you imagining that? Now, what’s your favorite Woody Allen movie?
Do you think her mother should have pursued prosecution, or do you think it would only have compounded the trauma?

K.





MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 7:55:46 AM)

Sometimes justice comes at the end of a smoking gun; I am not overly fond of child molesters.

OTOH: She waited an awfully long time to let these allegations out.

OTOH: He married one of his wife's adopted daughters.

OTOH: The language in the open letter seems to be designed specifically to interfere with the Oscars.

As to your question: she should have gotten her daughter out of the house immediately to remove the danger. Then she should have pursued criminal charges. Or shot him. Mia Farrow is to blame here as well.




thishereboi -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 7:57:00 AM)

I think the trauma was already there and while a trial would have brought more it also might have helped the kid understand that she had adults in her life who were willing to fight for her. I can not imagine this happening to my child and not doing everything I could to make sure he paid for what he did and never had the chance to do it to another kid. I think it's sad that she still has this much anger over the incident but I think it is understandable.


Oh and my favorite WA movie.....don't have one. I looked over the list of ones he has made and I haven't seen most of them and the ones I did see I didn't like. They must not have sounded interesting enough at the time to waste my time on.




DaddySatyr -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 8:02:20 AM)

I think all child molesters should be prosecuted and killed or just killed.

I was a casual fan of Woody Allen until this hit the news, twenty-odd years ago. Now, I think he's a scummy piece of shit.







thursdays -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 8:36:06 AM)

Yes, I think she should have pursued the prosecution, and if anything I have a sense from Dylan Farrow's open letter that not pursuing it compounded the trauma.

I hated all of his films.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 8:58:22 AM)

My knee jerk reaction is that Mia Farrow should have pursued prosecution but then I don't know all the details or her rationale for not doing so. Sometimes parents do things that on the surface don't look right, but if you knew all the details it was a good decision.

I definitely believe it's true, I've been 'off' Woody Allen since he married his adoptive daughter. That was an incredibly flagrant misuse and abuse of his power as an adoptive father.

I used to love Annie Hall, but I can't watch the movie now.




Spiritedsub2 -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 10:31:59 AM)

I feel like you do ^, but I just read on CNN that his wife isn't his adoptive daughter, that the young woman was adopted by Mia Farrow and Andre Previn, predating the relationship with Woody Allen. He still gives me the creeps, but it is so hard to know the truth of these things.

edited to add: Mia Farrow gives me the creeps too.




SeekingTrinity -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 10:57:26 AM)

~FRing it~

I've always hated Woody Allen movies. And this was before the whole adopted daughter creepiness came about.




angelikaJ -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 11:49:09 AM)

http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/02/23/reviews/farrow-doctor.html

The prosecution says they did not go forward because Dylan was too fragile.
However, the decision to not go forward also followed an investigation by a team from Yale: their 6 month investigation concluded that she was not molested.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html




TheHeretic -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 12:00:11 PM)

That would be a toss-up between Sleeper, and Take the Money and Run.

With what we've learned about the "man" behind those movies, anyone who put him to sleep would be welcome to run to my house.




subfever -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 3:41:44 PM)

FR

That Woody Allen took (and passed) a polygraph test whereas Mia Farrow refused to take one, says volumes to me.




Owner59 -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 4:21:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I think all child molesters should be prosecuted and killed or just killed.

I was a casual fan of Woody Allen until this hit the news, twenty-odd years ago. Now, I think he's a scummy piece of shit.







Can`t wait for Ped Nugent to run for POTUS....


To the rest of the world....


I can`t watch allen`s movies since he started with the Asian girl....I used to be a huge fan...

Can`t listen to Michael Jackson anymore.... again...I was a huge fan of his.








kalikshama -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/2/2014 7:19:39 PM)

Very interesting article; thanks for posting it. I didn't know anything about Dylan and had several of the misconceptions about Soon-Yi.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html

...Following are the top ten misconceptions, followed by my response in italics:

#1: Soon-Yi was Woody’s daughter. False.

#2: Soon-Yi was Woody’s step-daughter. False.

#3: Soon-Yi was Woody and Mia’s adopted daughter. False. Soon-Yi was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and André Previn. Her full name was Soon-Yi Farrow Previn.

#4: Woody and Mia were married. False.

#5: Woody and Mia lived together. False. Woody lived in his apartment on Fifth Ave. Mia and her kids lived on Central Park West. In fact, Woody never once stayed over night at Mia’s apartment in 12 years.

#6: Woody and Mia had a common-law marriage. False. New York State does not recognize common law marriage. Even in states that do, a couple has to cohabitate for a certain number of years.

#7: Soon-Yi viewed Woody as a father figure. False. Soon-Yi saw Woody as her mother’s boyfriend. Her father figure was her adoptive father, André Previn.

#8: Soon-Yi was underage when she and Woody started having relations. False. She was either 19 or 21. (Her year of birth in Korea was undocumented, but believed to be either 1970 or ’72.)

#9: Soon-Yi was borderline retarded. Ha! She’s smart as a whip, has a degree from Columbia University and speaks more languages than you.

#10: Woody was grooming Soon-Yi from an early age to be his child bride. Oh, come on! According to court documents and Mia’s own memoir, until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody “had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi” so Mia encouraged him to spend more time with her. Woody started taking her to basketball games, and the rest is tabloid history. So he hardly “had his eye on her” from the time she was a child.

Let me add this: If anyone is creeped out by the notion of a 55-year old man becoming involved with his girlfriend’s 19-year old adopted daughter, I understand. That makes perfect sense. But why not get the facts straight? If the actual facts are so repugnant to you, then why embellish them?

It’s understandable that Mia would remain furious with Woody for the rest of her life. If I were in Mia’s position, I’m sure I’d feel the same way. (Though I’d likely handle it as a private matter and not be tweeting about him being a pedophile, just before tweeting, “omfg look at this baby panda.”)




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/4/2014 7:29:29 AM)

Thank you for this update, it puts a whole different spin on things.




EdBowie -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/4/2014 7:51:09 AM)

He married Andre Previn's real daughter, not his daughter, and how old were Andre and Mia when they started boinking each other? How much condemnation has Mia heaped on Roman Polanski?


I'm seeing Skinny Arbuckle here...





quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

My knee jerk reaction is that Mia Farrow should have pursued prosecution but then I don't know all the details or her rationale for not doing so. Sometimes parents do things that on the surface don't look right, but if you knew all the details it was a good decision.

I definitely believe it's true, I've been 'off' Woody Allen since he married his adoptive daughter. That was an incredibly flagrant misuse and abuse of his power as an adoptive father.

I used to love Annie Hall, but I can't watch the movie now.






EdBowie -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/4/2014 7:56:14 AM)

FR

quote:

But why not get the facts straight? If the actual facts are so repugnant to you, then why embellish them?


Exactly. If something bad did happen, adding falsehoods gives the accused party plausible deniability across the board... if they are innocent, it compounds the railroading.




tj444 -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/4/2014 8:32:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama
If anyone is creeped out by the notion of a 55-year old man becoming involved with his girlfriend’s 19-year old adopted daughter, I understand. That makes perfect sense.

I knew back when the news of that hit that Allen wasn't the girl's real father but it was just icky to me (like "Uncle" Joe who isn't your uncle).. Allen still would have been a father figure to Mia's kids.. icky, icky, icky.. [:'(] That is when I stopped watching all movies that had anything to do with Allen (not that its hurt him much).. I was not impressed with Soon-Yi's treatment of Mia either tho..I don't think Soon-Yi was taken advantage of tho, imo she wanted to be taken care of and he has the bucks..




Zonie63 -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/4/2014 11:14:08 AM)

FR

I've enjoyed a few of Woody Allen's movies from when I was a kid, long before any of this was known about him. He was never my favorite actor or comedian, but some of his stuff was funny, such as Sleeper and Love and Death. I also thought New York Stories, Radio Days, and Zelig were quite good.

But now, it seems like it'll feel like watching an old movie with O.J. Simpson in it. I might still like some of the movies, but it just feels weird to watch it again.




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/4/2014 11:32:31 AM)

fr

This was all before my time and I don't pretend to know anything about this case. However, having seen child abuse investigations from the prosecution side, I will say that it is a grueling and distressing process which drags on and on, even without media speculation. In many cases it's pretty much a second round of abuse. If it were my child, I can't say 100% that I'd put her through it, no matter how sure I was of the truth. I think I probably would, but I couldn't blame a parent for protecting their child from that further trauma.




hlen5 -> RE: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? (2/4/2014 11:40:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I think all child molesters should be prosecuted and killed or just killed.

I was a casual fan of Woody Allen until this hit the news, twenty-odd years ago. Now, I think he's a scummy piece of shit.






I thought he was twisted when he married one of the adopted daughters. The rest doesn't surprise me.




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