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Administration Considers Allowing More People to "... - 2/6/2014 7:35:31 PM   
Arturas


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Status: offline 		The Obama Administration, every considerate of the millions who would see their insurance canceled right before mid term elections, is looking to waive insurance standards from one to three years more to allow millions who should lose their insurance under Obamacare regs to keep them. This has nothing to do with the mid-term elections. Obama's mouth is moving.

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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 12:02:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose it never occurred to you that Obama is reacting to a glitch found after the fact - that a great many R states, employers and insurance companies are doing all they can to wiggle out from under this attempt at solving a national need? Keep in mind that the ACA was critically flawed by ill-conceived attempts to woo the Rs, and by the R dominated Supreme court undercutting it. What you choose to see as Obama shoveling desperately to dig out from under his 'screwups' is in fact him buying time to try for a fix - which will have to come (hopefully) after the next election.

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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 4:42:24 AM   
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What you choose to see as Obama shoveling desperately to dig out from under his 'screwups' is in fact him buying time to try for a fix - which will have to come (hopefully) after the next election. [/size]


Yeah, the 2016 election when the next Pres will have to shovel desperately to clean up the shit left behind.


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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 4:51:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lol, you mean the shit he's still trying to clean up after bush?

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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 5:11:40 AM   
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Lol, you mean the shit he's still trying to clean up after bush?



If I'd meant that, I'd have said that. Nice deflective try though.

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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 5:16:08 AM   
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I suppose it never occurred to you that Obama is reacting to a glitch found after the fact - that a great many R states, employers and insurance companies are doing all they can to wiggle out from under this attempt at solving a national need? Keep in mind that the ACA was critically flawed by ill-conceived attempts to woo the Rs, and by the R dominated Supreme court undercutting it. What you choose to see as Obama shoveling desperately to dig out from under his 'screwups' is in fact him buying time to try for a fix - which will have to come (hopefully) after the next election.


LMAO!

The Conservative leaning Supreme Court has made two decisions regarding parts of Obamacare. The only one that had a "negative" impact on Obamacare was the one that prevented the Federal government from taking away all Medicaid funding if a State didn't expand Medicaid. The SCOTUS decided that was unConstitutional. What the SCOTUS decided was Constitutional was the Federal Government not increasing funding for expanded Medicaid if a State decided to not expand Medicaid. Thus, if a State keeps the Medicaid program at their "prior to Obamacare" level (aka "not expanded"), funding for Medicaid could not be lowered below the "prior to Obamacare" funding. That doesn't really undercut Obamacare.

There is a question of "faithful execution" of the laws of the United States on the part of Obama, too.


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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 5:48:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a finance major and as someone who's job it is to understand these things and have basic knowledge of tax law, I have to say the most petrifying thing I have seen politically is just the lack of knowledge of how things like the Affordable Health Care Act affects everyone. The only reason I don't get into it is because it is a lot of material to cover which is why double speak is so effective on people who are often fed half truths for political ends. It's really not like if they fuck up it only affects democrats or republicans. It would be so much more fun if this were baseball :D
I think we're doing it wrong, I think we should be rooting for another Republican to be president. I mean Bush imploded the stock market and left us in a 5 trillion dollar war in Iraq.
I mean just imagine just how much more interesting things can get.
There's even talk of a Malthusian correction, now that would be REALLY interesting to see if we would even know what money is after something like that. :)
You know? Sounds kind of fun :)



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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 7:44:30 AM   
Arturas


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Status: offline 		I know. The tail wagging the dog eventually gets the dog run over. Letting those who do not pay for things decide how the money is spent is the tail wagging the dog. Take the vote away from those who do not pay taxes and you will not have people like Obama and Pelosi voting in "give always" like the ACA that are too large to read before passing them and too large to well understand their impact on society and our general health and welfare.

But then the ACA was not for our general welfare but to keep Americans voting for freebies and the Dems who give them away. Naturally it is a disaster of biblical proportions when it finally is said and done. Now the Admin is in disaster mode sooner than expected, before the mid-terms, and while one would think they are trying to avert a political disaster with this move to re-write the ACA via Executive Order, I am sure it is for our general health and welfare instead and we should give them the benefit of a doubt and understand they have finally finished reading the ACA and hate the ending.

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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 9:46:54 AM   
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As a finance major and as someone who's job it is to understand these things and have basic knowledge of tax law,


Your appeal to self is noted.


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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 10:40:25 AM   
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Lol, you mean the shit he's still trying to clean up after bush?



If I'd meant that, I'd have said that. Nice deflective try though.

He's right, who knew it would take maybe a generation to fix the mess that Bush made in only 8. All Obama will do is handle the teaspoon he's limited to by the repubs and maybe the congress he or she gets will be a shovel when they may need a fucking earth mover.

Millard Fillmore wasn't as bad as Bush...the worst 2 term president the US history and on all counts.

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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 10:43:52 AM   
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As a finance major and as someone who's job it is to understand these things and have basic knowledge of tax law, I have to say the most petrifying thing I have seen politically is just the lack of knowledge of how things like the Affordable Health Care Act affects everyone. The only reason I don't get into it is because it is a lot of material to cover which is why double speak is so effective on people who are often fed half truths for political ends. It's really not like if they fuck up it only affects democrats or republicans. It would be so much more fun if this were baseball :D
I think we're doing it wrong, I think we should be rooting for another Republican to be president. I mean Bush imploded the stock market and left us in a 5 trillion dollar war in Iraq.
I mean just imagine just how much more interesting things can get.
There's even talk of a Malthusian correction, now that would be REALLY interesting to see if we would even know what money is after something like that. :)
You know? Sounds kind of fun :)



In essence, you are correct. In the US there are no issues, all there is, is profits and elections. The rest is conversation.

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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 11:00:59 AM   
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Lol, you mean the shit he's still trying to clean up after bush?



If I'd meant that, I'd have said that. Nice deflective try though.

He's right, who knew it would take maybe a generation to fix the mess that Bush made in only 8. All Obama will do is handle the teaspoon he's limited to by the repubs and maybe the congress he or she gets will be a shovel when they may need a fucking earth mover.

Millard Fillmore wasn't as bad as Bush...the worst 2 term president the US history and on all counts.


^must increase deflection^



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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 11:12:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Call it what you'd like, but atleast we're willing to look at the big picture instead of looking at the world through a toilet paper roll the way many conservatives seem to. Was Obama a good president? I wouldn't say so, but he didn't add to the problems your country faces, the numbers don't lie in that regard.

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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 11:15:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		The ACA is one huge problem Obama gave to this country.

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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 11:37:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		And yet, the only ones complaining about it are the political opponents to obama, even though the ACA was mirrored after a state level REPUBLICAN legislation. You don't like the president, great, but how about you find something real to complain about for once?

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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 11:55:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Allowing people to keep their insurance"
Government has no business telling people what insurance they are "allowed"

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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 12:01:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		So wait, people were outraged they couldn't keep their insurance, now they're outraged that the administration is trying to remedy their mistake so they're allowed to keep it? If you're gonna be outraged atleast stick to your points instead of being outraged at everything they do to try to improve on the situation. Just looks silly.

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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 12:07:57 PM   
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What you choose to see as Obama shoveling desperately to dig out from under his 'screwups' is in fact him buying time to try for a fix - which will have to come (hopefully) after the next election. [/size]


Yeah, the 2016 election when the next Pres will have to shovel desperately to clean up the shit left behind.


you can breathe a sigh of relief it wont be a teapartier, or a conservative, libertarian or a republican....


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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 12:19:45 PM   
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RE: Administration Considers Allowing More People to &q... - 2/7/2014 12:32:50 PM   
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So wait, people were outraged they couldn't keep their insurance, now they're outraged that the administration is trying to remedy their mistake so they're allowed to keep it? If you're gonna be outraged atleast stick to your points instead of being outraged at everything they do to try to improve on the situation. Just looks silly.

What is silly is not understanding that both are dictating what insurance people are "allowed" to have.
It bespeaks of the believe that no matter what the problem government is the answer.

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