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MrRodgers -> When will the Canadians learn ? (2/12/2014 12:40:12 AM)

Those Canadians just don't want to learn do they ? And this is the conservatives in Canada...can you imagine ? I mean just look at what Canada is going to do: Here

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s budget will include a promise of legislation to stop “country pricing” — when multinational brands set different prices in Canada and the United States, a government official told The Canadian Press. The legislation will address the price gap and empower the country’s competition commissioner to enforce the new rules. To think they are actually going enforce competition.

The government also intends to monitor whether last year’s elimination of tariffs on baby clothing and sports equipment — some of them as high as 20 per cent — is being passed onto consumers at the retail level. Can they do that ? Please tell me they can't do that.

A recent report by the Retail Council of Canada, which has worked with the government to tackle country pricing, concluded the tariff cuts have resulted in lower prices for consumers.

But the Consumers Association of Canada has expressed skepticism about whether such steps do indeed cut costs and Flaherty is not expected to chop any more tariffs.


But the no-cost commitment also dovetails with what’s shaping up to be the budget’s underlying theme: demonstrating to voters that the government is taking action to help them, but with precious little new spending. Oh no, say it ain't so Joe.

Ottawa is also promising $800,000 to help skilled newcomers to Canada find work in their fields as part of a larger, job-centred effort that’s expected to be one of the budget’s key planks.

Flaherty said there will be money for major infrastructure projects, which would likely include Toronto-area subways, replacing Montreal’s Champlain Bridge, building a second bridge between Detroit and Windsor, Ont., and Vancouver’s Evergreen Line — all of which were highlighted in last October’s throne speech. But the $70 billion will be spread out over the next decade. Imagine that...jobs from infrastructure.

Last week, Prime Minister Stephen Harper made the marquee announcement of a long-awaited plan to rework native education, promising $1.9 billion over several years. But money won’t start flowing until 2016, when the Tories expect to have a fresh electoral mandate and some cash to spend. I mean, are these actual conservative tax and spenders in Canada ?

Both CBC and the Globe and Mail have said the budget will include plans to extend or improve high-speed Internet access to 280,000 households and businesses in rural and remote areas. Just think, hi speed wireless for the Canadian hinterlands.

And the Tories have a brand-new revenue source to tap: the Commons finance committee has recommended that such projects be funded through the proceeds from the 700-megahertz wireless auction. The last auction raised $4.3 billion. Now we in America know that, that is supposed to be used to cut the corporate tax and the top income bracket, ya'know...to create jobs and stuff. [sic]

Treasury Board President Tony Clement has outlined proposed changes to sick leave policy, which would include five to seven sick days a year, a short-term disability leave of a week to six months and long-term leave for more than six months. That does it, I mean who in their right mind would want to go to Canada...it's cold up there, in the winter.

I mean just what are those crazy Canadians thinking ? Do they actually believe that economy is supposed to serve society when we here in the great and glorious American free market [sic] just know that society is supposed to...serve the economy.




Tkman117 -> RE: When will the Canadians learn ? (2/12/2014 4:48:36 AM)

No one ever said that Harper and his conservative government were smart. Not to mention I could say the same thing about Americans and health care, you guys just never learn when it comes to basic human rights do you?




Zonie63 -> RE: When will the Canadians learn ? (2/12/2014 5:56:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

No one ever said that Harper and his conservative government were smart. Not to mention I could say the same thing about Americans and health care, you guys just never learn when it comes to basic human rights do you?


I think it just goes to show that both countries have their respective political factions which come from similar sources and philosophical schools of thought. I think if we both took a long, hard look at our respective governments, we could find lots of room for criticism. No doubt about that. It's also true that Americans never learn either.

I wouldn't quarrel with the Canadian government's right to set tariffs or impose price controls if deemed necessary for their country's economic benefit. It might be necessary for other countries (including the U.S.) to do similarly, perhaps as a temporary measure during times of global economic uncertainty.




MrRodgers -> RE: When will the Canadians learn ? (2/12/2014 9:48:07 AM)

It surely must be realized that my responses are pure sarcasm. Canada is doing the right thing because economy is supposed to serve society and the govt. is the only institution that can make sure...it does. What is very surprising is that this is being done by Canadian conservatives.




MrRodgers -> RE: When will the Canadians learn ? (2/12/2014 9:51:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

No one ever said that Harper and his conservative government were smart. Not to mention I could say the same thing about Americans and health care, you guys just never learn when it comes to basic human rights do you?


I think it just goes to show that both countries have their respective political factions which come from similar sources and philosophical schools of thought. I think if we both took a long, hard look at our respective governments, we could find lots of room for criticism. No doubt about that. It's also true that Americans never learn either.

I wouldn't quarrel with the Canadian government's right to set tariffs or impose price controls if deemed necessary for their country's economic benefit. It might be necessary for other countries (including the U.S.) to do similarly, perhaps as a temporary measure during times of global economic uncertainty.

Americans (politicians) have learned...the wrong lesson, America has tariffs, price supports, subsidies and import quotas all of which serve the investor class...not society.




Lucylastic -> RE: When will the Canadians learn ? (2/12/2014 11:43:30 AM)

In a one-two punch, the Conservatives are taking aim at sick leave benefits of public servants and the $1.4 billion in salary costs it estimates they will use in future banked sick leave.

At the same time, it intends to double the premiums that retired bureaucrats pay for the Public Service Health Care Plan while limiting their eligibility for the plan. That move will save $1.5 billion in 2014-15 and up to $7.4 billion by 2018-2019.

Public servants also took another hit with the government’s decision to give veterans released on medical leave top priority for jobs in Canada’s public service, ahead of laid off and surplus bureaucrats. This means the 1,000 veterans who are medically released from the military every year can go on the priority list for five years to find a job in the public service.Public servants can only remain on the list for two years.

Suspended senators and MPs could soon find themselves cut off not only from their salaries, but also from getting closer to their pensions. The federal government signalled its intent to close a loophole that allows suspended parliamentarians to continue to accrue years of service towards their pensions. That currently applies to three senators suspended without pay: Mike Duffy, Patrick Brazeau and Pamela Wallin.

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FellowSlave -> RE: When will the Canadians learn ? (2/12/2014 2:35:42 PM)

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A recent report by the Retail Council of Canada, which has worked with the government to tackle country pricing, concluded the tariff cuts have resulted in lower prices for consumers.
But the Consumers Association of Canada has expressed skepticism about whether such steps do indeed cut costs and Flaherty is not expected to chop any more tariffs.


The purpose of tariffs is not to lower consumer costs. They are to prevent dumping cheap products and destroying local economy. Harper government is a globalist-corporatist. They spread nonsense propaganda to hide their policies are quietly selling off Canada assets.

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Ottawa is also promising $800,000 to help skilled newcomers to Canada find work in their fields as part of a larger, job-centred effort that’s expected to be one of the budget’s key planks.


This is a scam. Such efforts typically create bureaucracies to endlessly "help" and train newcomers with practically very little effect on finding jobs. You can not force industries to hire anybody, and there are plenty local applicants with experience. Official unemployment is 8% in most areas, real much higher.

Otherwise, things have been going down relatively slow under Harper. We have a little better help against extreme poverty compared to the US. Socialized healthcare helps a lot.




MrRodgers -> RE: When will the Canadians learn ? (2/12/2014 4:54:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

In a one-two punch, the Conservatives are taking aim at sick leave benefits of public servants and the $1.4 billion in salary costs it estimates they will use in future banked sick leave.

At the same time, it intends to double the premiums that retired bureaucrats pay for the Public Service Health Care Plan while limiting their eligibility for the plan. That move will save $1.5 billion in 2014-15 and up to $7.4 billion by 2018-2019.

Public servants also took another hit with the government’s decision to give veterans released on medical leave top priority for jobs in Canada’s public service, ahead of laid off and surplus bureaucrats. This means the 1,000 veterans who are medically released from the military every year can go on the priority list for five years to find a job in the public service.Public servants can only remain on the list for two years.

Suspended senators and MPs could soon find themselves cut off not only from their salaries, but also from getting closer to their pensions. The federal government signalled its intent to close a loophole that allows suspended parliamentarians to continue to accrue years of service towards their pensions. That currently applies to three senators suspended without pay: Mike Duffy, Patrick Brazeau and Pamela Wallin.

[image]http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2014/02/na0212_outlook_measures_c_mf.jpg[/image]

It does seem that public servants do take some hits when it comes to belt tightening but what most people don't realize is that over the years as at least in the US and usually about the same in most western countries, is that they have now progressed too far ahead of private industry, they being overly cost conscience toward employees.

For example, while some employees in private industry get raises, those raises are used to raise ALL US federal employees pay and benefits. Plus that means that ALL federal employees enjoy raises every year that only a small fraction of private employees enjoy.

LBJ 'reformed' federal pay in 1964 and used the top 7% of ALL private wages as the benchmark for pay scale adjustment and increases to federal wages for 100% of federal govt. workers. no matter their performance. In addition to that, politicians heard from those in their states and districts about cost of living being higher in certain areas of the country and created locality pay which resulted in many 1000's fed. govt. employees receiving pay increases that private companies do not pay.

Bonuses the same, seems everybody in the federal govt. eligible for them...get them which is a huge pay windfall for govt. employees whereas, extremely few private employees enjoy any bonuses at all. Canada may not be the same but I am confident...it is close.

In short, it's as if pay in govt., the govt acts as the most successful union leaders of all time when it was never even necessary for govt. unions at all. This whole culture has resulted in govt. employees in almost all cases...now making more their private industry equals.





MrRodgers -> RE: When will the Canadians learn ? (2/12/2014 5:10:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FellowSlave

quote:

A recent report by the Retail Council of Canada, which has worked with the government to tackle country pricing, concluded the tariff cuts have resulted in lower prices for consumers.
But the Consumers Association of Canada has expressed skepticism about whether such steps do indeed cut costs and Flaherty is not expected to chop any more tariffs.


The purpose of tariffs is not to lower consumer costs. They are to prevent dumping cheap products and destroying local economy. Harper government is a globalist-corporatist. They spread nonsense propaganda to hide their policies are quietly selling off Canada assets.

quote:

Ottawa is also promising $800,000 to help skilled newcomers to Canada find work in their fields as part of a larger, job-centred effort that’s expected to be one of the budget’s key planks.


This is a scam. Such efforts typically create bureaucracies to endlessly "help" and train newcomers with practically very little effect on finding jobs. You can not force industries to hire anybody, and there are plenty local applicants with experience. Official unemployment is 8% in most areas, real much higher.

Otherwise, things have been going down relatively slow under Harper. We have a little better help against extreme poverty compared to the US. Socialized healthcare helps a lot.

Not only do tariffs lower supply and competition, they work to...protect profits. However, the elimination of tariffs lowers costs and not necessarily prices, the benefits of which can also usually go to profits. Here, I think the goal is to share that reduction in costs between investors and consumers.




popeye1250 -> RE: When will the Canadians learn ? (2/15/2014 1:55:13 PM)

Ha! That'd be funny, they'd need 25,000 "price checkers" for each Province! More For Ontario and Quebec.
And if a price checker came into your store and gave you a fine for price boosting you could just raise prices again to cover the fine!
"F-You G-Men!"




MrRodgers -> RE: When will the Canadians learn ? (2/15/2014 3:32:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Ha! That'd be funny, they'd need 25,000 "price checkers" for each Province! More For Ontario and Quebec.
And if a price checker came into your store and gave you a fine for price boosting you could just raise prices again to cover the fine!
"F-You G-Men!"

Yea, when Nixon put in price controls (or tried to) Geo. Meany of union fame joked that it would take a federal agency the size of the IRS to make that happen...in reality.

You can't beat the capitalist...they don't miss a trick.




Lucylastic -> RE: When will the Canadians learn ? (2/15/2014 6:06:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Ha! That'd be funny, they'd need 25,000 "price checkers" for each Province! More For Ontario and Quebec.
And if a price checker came into your store and gave you a fine for price boosting you could just raise prices again to cover the fine!
"F-You G-Men!"

once again, you show the startling lack of any knowledge that we have come to expect in your posts
Price checkers are for difference in US and Canada prices
NOT per store or town or brand or province
FFS




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