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ARIES83 -> Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 12:28:14 AM)

I recently read somewhere, basically that it was an intention of the person to find skilled slaves who would amongst other things, be working for him without pay as a part of their slavery.

I have to say... I have moral qualms about that idea.
Now I am not a stuck up person.... And I am definitely not above selfishly using a person.
But the idea of slaves working for the "owner's" profit... Paints the picture of sweatshop labour.

Now this question strikes me as a difficult one to get an answer for...

Meaning no offence to anyone, many of the posters who identify as "slaves" are of the housewife variety... And so working for their SO's profit, does not in my mind pose a comparable moral dilemma.

Where as for the slave who is NOT in a committed legal relationship, this does strike me in some way as inappropriate....
One thing I'm seeing issue with, is the distinction between using a slave to enhance ones life. And some alternate form where the person is used as a resource, with the "owner" getting fat of their slavery... Like some kind of dominant leech.

Anyway I'm not too sure I've actually pinpointed the source of my hesitation toward this idea but I would be interested in others opinion on it.

Even "housewife slaves"![sm=yourock.gif]




LafayetteLady -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 12:36:11 AM)

Well, I think the department of labor might have a problem with it.

I wish I could say that most people would know better than to entter such a situation, but sadly there are people who would do it. Of course, those same people eventually post here crying how they did this and the "master" tossed them on their ear without a pot to piss in or window to throw it out of.




AlexisANew -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 1:19:40 AM)

We will always have predators, the BDSM world is no exception.

A very well known character on the London scene (hope he reads this and recognises himself), takes on slave type women and turns them into very convincing dominant women. He then builds all singing, all dancing websites to advertise their pro domming skills. Presently he has three slaves in his poly household and all three of them now work as pro Dominants, none of them did this before moving in with him. He recently went on holiday with a fourth woman and used his slaves money to pay for that.

I know one of these women and she's madly in love with him but desperately unhappy.

Interestingly I have had numerous conversations with this guy who is very forthright in stating, there is no such thing as a dominant woman [8|]. I haven't held back in telling him he's a pimp.

Another older bloke I know, who is very involved with a BDSM film production company, up until recently owned a 19 year old girl. He claimed to be her 'Daddy' and very clearly she revelled in being his little. Whilst he sat at home all day playing computer games, he flew his slave girl all over Europe, putting her into some fairly extreme BDSM footage and he pocketed her income. When she used to come home from these shoots she would go to bed for days and just lay their sucking her thumb. He would say to her, 'your a porn star baby girl and you should be so proud. Daddy's real proud of you'. Fortunately she saw sense and went back home to mum and dad. He's now on the look out for another young baby girl. The man is a fucking predator.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 3:09:06 AM)

The thing that I don't get, and it never ceases to puzzle me, is why a lot of people stop to think when it comes to BDSM? The absolutely worst of them seem to be women who first discover their submissive tendencies a in their late 30's or 40's, it's almost like they are in a "sub feeding frenzy", where common sense just goes out of the window, a maso flying high on endorphins and begging to give him more, despite that it might damage him, seems to have nothing on those women. And they aren't stupid in their normal life, it's just like all of a sudden a switch was flipped over and they stop all rational thinking when it comes to their kink.

I fully understand the power exchange money involves, and somebody being dependent on the dominant for access to money is pretty powerful stuff, I've done it a few times with guys who were seriously irresponsible and almost bankrupted themselves with spending money on real pro-dommes, domme hotlines, online domination and all that stuff, the only way to stop them is to put them on a tight budget and if they need more money, they have to explain why and what for. Fairly simple procedure, they hand over the cards, the login for the bank accounts, they open a new account where they get their "allowance" and there are standing orders for rent/mortgage, insurances and all that stuff that you NEED to pay. Somebody who's on a pretty good income but drowning in debt, it's a problem and it's almost like an addiction. Of course they could have sorted themselves out, only it was a bit easier when we camouflaged it as a power exchange, and I guess they liked the humiliation of coming and begging that I allocate them an additional 50, because they're meeting with friends who have no clue what goes on, or need to buy flower's for mom's birthday, even better if they had to beg for money to take me out for a drink, all that stuff.
I have to admit I liked the control factor as much as seeing them get back on their feet financially, so yeah, it's pretty heady stuff for the dominant too, but there usually was a relationship BEFORE, and it wasn't one sided.

Somebody who just thinks slaves are there to finance their life-style, that not really a dominant, that's a lazy bastard or bitch. Even if it is D/s, it's still a relationship and dominant has a certain obligation to care for submissives, on the other hand, the submissives also have the obligation to look out for themselves, because which selfrespecting dominant would want somebody who's too stupid to do that?

The idea that it's enough to put up an add with "Become my slave, work for me, I get all your money, treat you like I want to and you get nothing", well, those people do need a bit of a reality check. Sounds like a wanker fantasy to me, and possibly attracts other wankers who like to play online games.




kalikshama -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 6:39:47 AM)

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The idea that it's enough to put up an add with "Become my slave, work for me, I get all your money, treat you like I want to and you get nothing", well, those people do need a bit of a reality check. Sounds like a wanker fantasy to me, and possibly attracts other wankers who like to play online games.


Yes, I was seduced into a financial dynamic, wooed slowly and gradually, until I thought handing over my paycheck was the most natural thing in the world. If he'd proposed this right off the bat, I would have laughed in his face.

It WAS hot at first, then tedious, then unbearable, and I took back control of my finances.




FelineRanger -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 7:44:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

The idea that it's enough to put up an add with "Become my slave, work for me, I get all your money, treat you like I want to and you get nothing", well, those people do need a bit of a reality check. Sounds like a wanker fantasy to me, and possibly attracts other wankers who like to play online games.


Isn't that the basic idea behind a findomme? It's not a kink that appeals to me, but there must be ample appeal since there are many on both sides of that kink.

FWIW, my take on a slave turning over her money would be that she would have to be transparent so that she would be able to see where the money is going if she wants. I can't even really fathom how the OP's situation would work without the "master" being obscenely wealthy.




MasterCaneman -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 7:56:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AlexisANew

We will always have predators, the BDSM world is no exception.

A very well known character on the London scene (hope he reads this and recognises himself), takes on slave type women and turns them into very convincing dominant women. He then builds all singing, all dancing websites to advertise their pro domming skills. Presently he has three slaves in his poly household and all three of them now work as pro Dominants, none of them did this before moving in with him. He recently went on holiday with a fourth woman and used his slaves money to pay for that.

I know one of these women and she's madly in love with him but desperately unhappy.

Interestingly I have had numerous conversations with this guy who is very forthright in stating, there is no such thing as a dominant woman [8|]. I haven't held back in telling him he's a pimp.

Another older bloke I know, who is very involved with a BDSM film production company, up until recently owned a 19 year old girl. He claimed to be her 'Daddy' and very clearly she revelled in being his little. Whilst he sat at home all day playing computer games, he flew his slave girl all over Europe, putting her into some fairly extreme BDSM footage and he pocketed her income. When she used to come home from these shoots she would go to bed for days and just lay their sucking her thumb. He would say to her, 'your a porn star baby girl and you should be so proud. Daddy's real proud of you'. Fortunately she saw sense and went back home to mum and dad. He's now on the look out for another young baby girl. The man is a fucking predator.

Take away all the trappings of the scene, and he's no more than a pimp, and the women his prostitutes. It seems to me his actions rise to the standards of a criminal action under UK/EU laws. Especially the 'he flew his slave girl all over Europe' part. The word 'trafficking' comes to mind, at least to me.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 8:05:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FelineRanger


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

The idea that it's enough to put up an add with "Become my slave, work for me, I get all your money, treat you like I want to and you get nothing", well, those people do need a bit of a reality check. Sounds like a wanker fantasy to me, and possibly attracts other wankers who like to play online games.


Isn't that the basic idea behind a findomme? It's not a kink that appeals to me, but there must be ample appeal since there are many on both sides of that kink.

FWIW, my take on a slave turning over her money would be that she would have to be transparent so that she would be able to see where the money is going if she wants. I can't even really fathom how the OP's situation would work without the "master" being obscenely wealthy.




Hey, if somebody is into that findomme thing, they are getting their kicks from it so I have no problem with that.

I don't know if you can say what I did was financial domination, in a way it was because I took control over a few guys pretty desperate financial situation, the only way to get them back into the black figures and stop them from ruining themselves was to control their finances and put them on a budget. The odd thing was they enjoyed it, because there was a certain power exchange there, I'd be lying if I'd claim I didn't enjoy the control factor, but that was more or less a side effect and it was temporary. Doing that forever, I'd feel like their mom, I much prefer to engage with people who are adult enough to control their own finances.




OsideGirl -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 8:46:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FelineRanger



Isn't that the basic idea behind a findomme?


It's actually the basic idea behind slavery. Traditionally, when someone owned a slave they owned that slave to provide free labor, and that free labor usually wasn't housework. It was to work in areas that produced profit. (House slaves were a luxury and would be a secondary purchase behind a labor slave)

It's one of the many reasons that I don't believe in consensual slavery.


quote:

ORIGINAL: AlexisANew
A very well known character on the London scene (hope he reads this and recognises himself), takes on slave type women and turns them into very convincing dominant women. He then builds all singing, all dancing websites to advertise their pro domming skills. Presently he has three slaves in his poly household and all three of them now work as pro Dominants, none of them did this before moving in with him. He recently went on holiday with a fourth woman and used his slaves money to pay for that.

I know one of these women and she's madly in love with him but desperately unhappy.
I'm currently reading "Wife No. 19" by Ann Eliza Young who was one of Brigham Young's wives. Your statement flashed me right back into the book where she's talking about how Brigham Young treated his wives and how polygamy made the majority of women miserable, but they did it because they thought they had to.




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 9:03:41 AM)

Aries, I think you're stymied by the intent. I know the thread you are referring to, and the intent of that poster seems absolutely unscrupulous, selfish, and "his" Egypt will rise on the backs and bones of his slaves.

My dynamic is D/s 24/7 TPE, and it is a life sentence for any hapless victim that falls into my chains of slavery. Unlike the fellow that inspired this thread, any financial slavery will be utilized to better the life of Myself, and My girl(s). My motives aren't ever a pony show to be paraded around for the /s to see. The only decisions she/they are privy to are the ones that effect the bigger picture... Environmental changes, financial changes, just the large maneuvers that can/could/maybe/might make her/them feel uncertain or insecure.

I am very practical and love living simple, but when it's time to buy the yacht, it's time talk about the extra hours at the salt mine and why.

YMMV
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anniezz338 -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 9:10:59 AM)

Some of this sounds to me like stockholm syndrome, which makes it a mental health issue at that end. The predator has brainwashed the slave into a position of total dependence on him/her. I think alot of us can agree that using a slave for profit is more about human trafficking than a real M/s relationship.

As far as the poster who I believe may have sparked the idea of this post, it's hard to know if he is just being unrealistic or, could he be, a potential predator? Hard to know but since his expectations are high, maybe he will never find what he is looking for and it is a non issue.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 9:32:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: anniezz338

As far as the poster who I believe may have sparked the idea of this post, it's hard to know if he is just being unrealistic or, could he be, a potential predator? Hard to know but since his expectations are high, maybe he will never find what he is looking for and it is a non issue.


If we're thinking about the same person, then my chances of winning the lottery are significantly higher, so I keep an eye on the profile and in case he finds somebody, I'll go and buy a lottery ticket.




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 9:33:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


quote:

ORIGINAL: anniezz338

As far as the poster who I believe may have sparked the idea of this post, it's hard to know if he is just being unrealistic or, could he be, a potential predator? Hard to know but since his expectations are high, maybe he will never find what he is looking for and it is a non issue.


If we're thinking about the same person, then my chances of winning the lottery are significantly higher, so I keep an eye on the profile and in case he finds somebody, I'll go and buy a lottery ticket.


[sm=rofl.gif] I needed that giggle.

BTW Cmail me if things work out for him, I'll go buy a ticket too.

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JeffBC -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 9:46:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: anniezz338
As far as the poster who I believe may have sparked the idea of this post, it's hard to know if he is just being unrealistic or, could he be, a potential predator?

This... although this being the internet and whatnot I think we can safely assume it's "unrealistic". I don't know the reference thread but if it was talking about what someone SEEKS then by definition it is not instantiated in reality, eg: fantasy.

In the end the idea doesn't squick me out. Reality has a way of enforcing quid-pro-quo unless we're talking about something enforced at the societal level by law or custom. There are an endless number of permutations on what is being exchanged but in the end it either works or it doesn't. That's pretty much my only judgement point.




ClassAct2006 -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 11:32:15 AM)

In the UK you have the minimum wage legislation to contend with. If when they fall out the girl could bring a claim for all the back wages (unless she falls within any family member exception I suppose - certainly worth taking legal advice on it). Mind you is it really any different than all those silly women who give up careers to clean the houses of men and bring up their children? More fool them.

Much better to keep your career. Indeed a dom should want you to fulfil your full potential in all ways including career and ensure you are able to look after yourself if he dies or leaves and so in a sense he almost has a moral duty to protect the sub in ensuring she does not take foolish financial decisions.




littlewonder -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 11:44:45 AM)

If Master had his own business and wanted me to work for him for free, I personally have no problem with it as long as he is paying for my upkeep...food, shelter,water.

I mean, really, he is my owner. This is not something we take lightly as just "housewife slave". He literally owns my ass.

Don't forget. We've been together for 8 years now so I completely trust him with my entire life. Now had he wanted this from the get go, then no, I would not have done it. I didn't know him.




FinSubCA -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 11:46:17 AM)

I don't view FinDomme as slavery. It's just a kink where she dominates your money.




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 11:51:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FinSubCA

I don't view FinDomme as slavery. It's just a kink where she dominates your money.


I thought that was called marriage? Who knew...

Jus sayin
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TNDommeK -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 12:01:24 PM)

Ha!^^
It is.




AbsoluteOverlord -> RE: Slavery and Profit... (2/13/2014 12:05:38 PM)

The slaves they'll give you their HEARTS, their MINDS, their BODIES, and there SOULS, but NOT the fruits of their labor thats a big NO NO. It seems SOULS are a cheap commodity.


Get your red hot souls 3 for a nickle.




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