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DaddySatyr -> This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 1:47:56 AM)
9th Circuit Ruling The fact that the 9th has been a bastion of left-leaning thought for a long time had me scratching my head and looking for other links to support this story.

lovmuffin -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 4:50:07 AM)
I caught the story about 30 minutes ago on FOX Nuuuuuzzze. Not only that but Wyoming approved concealed carry for school teachers with permits. Let the blood bath begin.........not Wyoming and California, the CM P&R forum.

DaddySatyr -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 4:57:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin Let the blood bath begin.........not Wyoming and California, the CM P&R forum. In keeping with the "pun" theme, I think you just hit the bull's eye!

lovmuffin -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 5:35:41 AM)
As usual I was right on target[8D] Now, when are they going to rule that a 155mm Howitzer is constitutional ? I want a cannon for my birthday or maybe a tank.

BamaD -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 8:24:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr 9th Circuit Ruling The fact that the 9th has been a bastion of left-leaning thought for a long time had me scratching my head and looking for other links to support this story. And 19 states have joined the challenge of NJ concealed carry law that is just like the Ca. law

mnottertail -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 8:27:51 AM)
I dont know that one can conscionably accuse the 9th circuit as the bastion of left leaning thought, anymore than you can accuse the nutsackers down in the house of thought, while judges appointed by democrats are around 62% of it, its judicial managment and oversight is by St. Wrinklemeats boy and his henchmenTricky Dickies boys.

joether -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 12:04:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I dont know that one can conscionably accuse the 9th circuit as the bastion of left leaning thought, anymore than you can accuse the nutsackers down in the house of thought, while judges appointed by democrats are around 62% of it, its judicial managment and oversight is by St. Wrinklemeats boy and his henchmenTricky Dickies boys. Not to mention the US Supreme Court has two people that ALWAYS vote how the GOP demands. Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito. With Clarence Thomas and Anthony Kennedy in close second places. Rounding it out is John Roberts (the guy who thinks corporations are people too...). All nominated by Republican Presidents (Bush and Reagan) and confirmed by Republican held Congresses. Can you say 'stacking the deck'? So if Satyr is upset and wants to make a trade, I say 'lets do it'. We'll trade out the "...bastion of left leaning thought...." 9th circuit judges for some Tea Party screwballs....BUT....we remove those five named US Supreme Court Justices for five liberal ones. Deal Satyr?

BamaD -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 1:13:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I dont know that one can conscionably accuse the 9th circuit as the bastion of left leaning thought, anymore than you can accuse the nutsackers down in the house of thought, while judges appointed by democrats are around 62% of it, its judicial managment and oversight is by St. Wrinklemeats boy and his henchmenTricky Dickies boys. Not to mention the US Supreme Court has two people that ALWAYS vote how the GOP demands. Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito. With Clarence Thomas and Anthony Kennedy in close second places. Rounding it out is John Roberts (the guy who thinks corporations are people too...). All nominated by Republican Presidents (Bush and Reagan) and confirmed by Republican held Congresses. Can you say 'stacking the deck'? So if Satyr is upset and wants to make a trade, I say 'lets do it'. We'll trade out the "...bastion of left leaning thought...." 9th circuit judges for some Tea Party screwballs....BUT....we remove those five named US Supreme Court Justices for five liberal ones. Deal Satyr? So you are willing to get rid of the radicals on the 9th circuit, but only if we ban conservatives from SCOTUS And that sounds like a fair exchange to you?

mnottertail -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 1:43:28 PM)
Which radicals in the 9th circuit for which nutsackers on the Supreme Court? Lets get down to cases here. But we have to discuss actual law as well.

Lucylastic -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 2:16:38 PM)
oh they ran away, what a suprise

BamaD -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 2:16:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I dont know that one can conscionably accuse the 9th circuit as the bastion of left leaning thought, anymore than you can accuse the nutsackers down in the house of thought, while judges appointed by democrats are around 62% of it, its judicial managment and oversight is by St. Wrinklemeats boy and his henchmenTricky Dickies boys. Not to mention the US Supreme Court has two people that ALWAYS vote how the GOP demands. Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito. With Clarence Thomas and Anthony Kennedy in close second places. Rounding it out is John Roberts (the guy who thinks corporations are people too...). All nominated by Republican Presidents (Bush and Reagan) and confirmed by Republican held Congresses. Can you say 'stacking the deck'? So if Satyr is upset and wants to make a trade, I say 'lets do it'. We'll trade out the "...bastion of left leaning thought...." 9th circuit judges for some Tea Party screwballs....BUT....we remove those five named US Supreme Court Justices for five liberal ones. Deal Satyr? Maybe if we disqualify anyone from serving on any court if they have engaged in extremist activity ..... like reading the Constitution.

smileforme50 -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 2:32:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin As usual I was right on target[8D] Now, when are they going to rule that a 155mm Howitzer is constitutional ? I want a cannon for my birthday or maybe a tank. Well....the Constitution doesn't specify muskets, revolvers, automatics, Howitzers, or nuclear warheads. Personally I won't be happy until we can all have our own nuclear warhead. Just don't give one to my neighbor....he drinks too much.

BamaD -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 2:37:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: smileforme50 quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin As usual I was right on target[8D] Now, when are they going to rule that a 155mm Howitzer is constitutional ? I want a cannon for my birthday or maybe a tank. lol Well....the Constitution doesn't specify muskets, revolvers, automatics, Howitzers, or nuclear warheads. Personally I won't be happy until we can all have our own nuclear warhead. Just don't give one to my neighbor....he drinks too much.

mnottertail -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 2:46:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I dont know that one can conscionably accuse the 9th circuit as the bastion of left leaning thought, anymore than you can accuse the nutsackers down in the house of thought, while judges appointed by democrats are around 62% of it, its judicial managment and oversight is by St. Wrinklemeats boy and his henchmenTricky Dickies boys. Not to mention the US Supreme Court has two people that ALWAYS vote how the GOP demands. Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito. With Clarence Thomas and Anthony Kennedy in close second places. Rounding it out is John Roberts (the guy who thinks corporations are people too...). All nominated by Republican Presidents (Bush and Reagan) and confirmed by Republican held Congresses. Can you say 'stacking the deck'? So if Satyr is upset and wants to make a trade, I say 'lets do it'. We'll trade out the "...bastion of left leaning thought...." 9th circuit judges for some Tea Party screwballs....BUT....we remove those five named US Supreme Court Justices for five liberal ones. Deal Satyr? Maybe if we disqualify anyone from serving on any court if they have engaged in extremist activity ..... like reading the Constitution. You would have to flush 5 nutsackers off the SCOTUS before any dealing was done for anything else, that puts you at great disadvantage.

BamaD -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/14/2014 4:04:36 PM)
FR What ruled is that since the 2nd is an individual right they can ban open carry or they can have may issue as opposed to shall issue concealed carry permits, but they can't do both.

joether -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/15/2014 1:41:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I dont know that one can conscionably accuse the 9th circuit as the bastion of left leaning thought, anymore than you can accuse the nutsackers down in the house of thought, while judges appointed by democrats are around 62% of it, its judicial managment and oversight is by St. Wrinklemeats boy and his henchmenTricky Dickies boys. Not to mention the US Supreme Court has two people that ALWAYS vote how the GOP demands. Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito. With Clarence Thomas and Anthony Kennedy in close second places. Rounding it out is John Roberts (the guy who thinks corporations are people too...). All nominated by Republican Presidents (Bush and Reagan) and confirmed by Republican held Congresses. Can you say 'stacking the deck'? So if Satyr is upset and wants to make a trade, I say 'lets do it'. We'll trade out the "...bastion of left leaning thought...." 9th circuit judges for some Tea Party screwballs....BUT....we remove those five named US Supreme Court Justices for five liberal ones. Deal Satyr? So you are willing to get rid of the radicals on the 9th circuit, but only if we ban conservatives from SCOTUS And that sounds like a fair exchange to you? Do you even realize I'm not taking this seriously? The whole thread is rather silly to begin with. Satyr doesn't like how some court in the country ruled on something. Cry me a river. He doesn't like how the 9th circuit court ruled? Fine, he can have his view but first, we have to remove the Heller vs. District of Columbia outcome. Deal? The point is, that judges have the right to rule as they believe the laws should best be understood, NOT, but popular decree! It is the hope those judges rule in favor of the best argument without any bias.

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/15/2014 1:54:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin As usual I was right on target[8D] Now, when are they going to rule that a 155mm Howitzer is constitutional ? I want a cannon for my birthday or maybe a tank. Can I get a tactical nuclear weapon? Purdy please? The neighbors dog keeps dumping on my lawn. [sm=blasted.gif]

lovmuffin -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/15/2014 2:08:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin As usual I was right on target[8D] Now, when are they going to rule that a 155mm Howitzer is constitutional ? I want a cannon for my birthday or maybe a tank. Can I get a tactical nuclear weapon? Purdy please? The neighbors dog keeps dumping on my lawn. [sm=blasted.gif] Sure, you can have your nuke but I would use something like a .50 caliber machine gun on the dog. Save the nuke for DC.

joether -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/15/2014 2:58:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD What ruled is that since the 2nd is an individual right they can ban open carry or they can have may issue as opposed to shall issue concealed carry permits, but they can't do both. Actually, the 18th century notion of the 2nd amendment held that the only element of the text concerning the individual was their good standing with the militia they were a part of. "....The right to bear arms..." was concerning the individual to have their arms in their home or business. An were considered separate arms from any other arms they might have own (a rifle for the militia and one for hunting). The belief was that those arms would be better kept safe from an enemy attack on the town in the homes of individuals in good standing with their "...well regulated militia...". Rather than in an arsenal which the enemy could destroy in the middle of the night and place the town in great peril. An that those arms of the individual in the militia are used for a specific purpose, "....being necessary to the security of a free state...". They didn't have to deal with the modern era problems that firearms hold to lawmakers in the 18th century. Or I suspect they would have added in a line or two spelling out the individuals right to self defense on an individual level. Ignoring the first half of that amendment and re-interpreting the second half as you want is a very unwise idea. Consider ignoring the first two thirds of the 8th amendment and re-interpreting the remainder. What sort of problems would come about? We can go back and forth on this. So I will give you a counter proposal. How about the 28th amendment as a sort of 'update' of the 2nd amendment in the modern era of America? I'm sure you can understand quite well that such a notion is not to be screwed around with lightly, right? An that it involves a serious understanding of not just the logistics but the wisdom to handle concepts, ideas and technology years after we are gone from this Earth. Something that keeps the government in check, yet does not create more problems for our fellow Americans. Hopefully a middle ground approach on a very heated debate.

TheHeretic -> RE: This Blew Me Away (Pun Intended) (2/15/2014 10:37:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr The fact that the 9th has been a bastion of left-leaning thought for a long time had me scratching my head and looking for other links to support this story. It was 2-1, from a 3 judge panel, and IIRC, there are 28 judges total on the 9th Circuit. It seems it would be pretty easy for this to go into the "blind squirrels getting a nut" file. We now have conflicting ruling from different cicuit courts on restrictions of concealed carry, so the issue will be off to the Supremes I'm sure. I think the current structure in California places far too much discretion in the hands of the county sheriffs. Where I live, it's basically fill out the form, pass the livescan background check, and pay the fees. In LA County, it's fill out the form and wait 18 months to be told to go fuck yourself. That may change, now that their sheriff has retired in disgrace, but the system could be much better.

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