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Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 9:16:42 PM   
Bearlee


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Status: offline 		For all you military folks out there;  Is there ever a reason you can't share who you are and where you live with a woman you've gotten to know and want to play with?
 
Here’s where I’m coming from (I think its just a new twist on an old line):  A week or so ago, a guy sent me a note about one of my posts here; a pleasant note…to which I responded.  He tells me he’s a teacher and a writer by trade and works in Military protocol, (there’s a military base in Colorado Springs) and so “…a lot of my life is not publishable” but encouraged me to write if I was interested.  That his spelling, syntax and typing mistakes riddled his note didn’t bother me, I just chalked it up to all the reason’s why I generally type in a word-processor before I post here……..and he doesn’t.   LOL
 
What does amaze me is that he wrote back that should we decide to meet, I would have to respect his need for privacy.  Apparently what he does is SO top-secret or sooo sensitive; I could not know even his name or address……much less any other information.  I wrote back, thanking him for his nice notes and asking, just out of curiosity, if he’s actually able to get women to agree to play with him under the restrictions he draws.  After all, I said, you have to give social security and driver’s license number to do just about anything anymore, and how on earth did he manage to get a woman to let him beat her, if he wouldn’t even let her know who he was and where he lives?
 
Apparently he read that I wanted his SS# to have a cup of coffee and wrote a brisk rebuttal telling me he was sorry I could not process his reasoning and to move on.  LOL   At any rate, the gist of this thread is… ARE there reasons a person cannot give their name and address; I mean valid reasons…not just trying to keep a secret life from a wife?  Heck, as I told him…” I have dated or formed friendships with men ‘higher up’ in the military, or who are in politics and yet another who is a sharp shooter and who is occasionally called away to places and for assignments he cannot discuss and still another who is a writer and who has been imbedded (as they say); but I still know each person’s real name and address…even if he doesn’t always use that name publicly.” 
 
I think this guy is blowin’ hot air…but I am still curious.  I understand the need for discretion but I ask you military folks out there:  Is there ever a reason you can’t share who you are and where you live with a woman you get to know and want to play with???
 
Thanks for your comments...
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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 9:24:45 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		This guy is probably married...

As  for the other question... I can imagine that there might be a need for secrecy to have a cup of java and get to know people better... But eventually it comes down to having sex and possible bondage/beatings .. no one should do that without some information about the person they are putting themselves in a precarious position with. I guess if someone needs that sort of secrecy they have two choices, find people that are so nonchalant with their own safety they would jeopardize yours by having unsafe sex with lord knows who and finding partners that are not safe sane or consensual... or not getting sex with BDSM involved....

Just my thoughts

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 9:31:34 PM   
Bearlee


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Status: offline 		Yeah, I figured he’s married, too; but was just curious if there was something I’d not considered.  I’ve known people with ‘sensitive positions of employment’ but never have I had someone say I couldn’t know his name or where he lives…eventually.  
 
I expressly said I didn’t think even that was necessary for coffee…but did expect that much information were we to get to know each other and become intimate.
 
I can imagine some women meeting a guy and having a quickie (I guess); people do that every day…but what about getting tied up and tortured?  Hey…I’d want to know more than the color of a guy’s eyes for that game!
 
Thanks julia...

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 9:36:11 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Ja, they indoctrinate you.... it may be just what it is........some of that shit takes time to get over.......

You wonder who will come to your door and accuse you of killing kennedy or getting head from J Edgar ......

LOL........

Kinda serious tho..........in that respect the government has a very long memory


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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 9:41:41 PM   
DoctorDubious


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bearlee

For all you military folks out there;  Is there ever a reason you can't share who you are and where you live with a woman you've gotten to know and want to play with?
 



Hey Ms Bearlee.... and all

There are dozens, scores, hundreds of reasons
why some folks want to stay anonomous.

Few of them are real wholesome, right?

I spoke last night to a sweet submissive woman
here in LA, and she told me a story of a predatory man
who "was in the FBI" and had the cereal box-badge to prove it.
Turns out the real FBI had a serious word with this doofus...
... but not before he did some damage to a vulnerable woman.

So ... do you want to see the guy
and play off the mystery-man, anonomous energy kink...
some think that's pretty thrilling.... (not me thought...)

*****************

On the other hand,
lots of us perverts have pretty good positions
in the normal world.... pensions, promotions, career paths
that call out.... caution, careful, quiet...


Not me though.... I've had my face in the papers
as a result of my perversions, and discovered
that it wasn't all that bad.... rather a liberating feeling, actually.

These are just the thoughts of this sleepy old goat...

DD

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 9:45:31 PM   
Padriag


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Status: offline 		I can't think of any why he couldn't give his name and address.  There are situations where he would not be able to give the location where he is based.  This was something my mom had to deal with while dating my dad and even after they were married.  Generally in situations where they can't give a real address, they often have a false mail address they can give (the address actually can receive mail, which is then forwarded to the person by the Army).

While there are situations and jobs where he might not be able to give his name or location at all, those same situations would prevent him from being online corresponding with women at a BDSM site, which makes the point moot.  Simply put, if what he were doing was that sensitive, all his communications would be monitored and restricted.  Just by being on a BDSM site, or even an adult personals site, he'd also be putting his clearance and job at risk, as well as risk facing a court marshal. 

So yes, I think in this case its someone blowing smoke.

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 9:59:50 PM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear Bearlee, Ladies and Gentlemen,
 
Being around Washington, DC --  The nation's capitol, if any place has mystery and intrigue it is here.  We got military, we got spies, we got foreign spies and lots of politics and drama.
 
Most times, nobody asks your name in meetings and get togethers as they are exposed and might loose their jobs.  And, from the history of any groups, there is always a few people who can't be discreet to save their tail fluffs.  So, some are forced to use a scene name.  Some have created a 'signature' name; such as Madori.  We have also witnessed in the area, some individuals miss-management of BDSM support and educational files, containing membership information and one time; miss-managed credit card accounts for a BR convention.  So, I do understand the chap could be dealing with.
 
Some young men and women don't look their age.  Sometimes we have them hold the Driver's license far away and give them tape as to cover up their address and last name and then inspect it for age after it is taped.  Then they can carry on per se.
 
However, I will say--Military men who submit are wonderful!  Get a few of them together and I'm very happy.  [[Fanning self]]
 
Respectfully submitted with bits of wit,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 10:01:06 PM   
PiggyPuta


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Status: offline 		just because he says he works in Military protocol does not necessarily mean he's in the military...he could very well be a civilian employee.  But Padriag you are correct in saying that if this person was in a top-secret position being on these type of sites would put his clearance in jeopardy.  Big Brother is always watching and those with top-secret positions are watched extra.  i seriously doubt he has a top-secret clearance and i serious doubt that his job would be in jeopardy if his true identity came out.  what i do suspect (which has been said already) is that he is married (or in a committed relationship) and that is what he is afraid of coming to light.  so...bottom line...move on...don't waste your energy on this person.

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 10:05:51 PM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear Padriag, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
It could be agreed to what Padriag said, as we have seen the high up official at Home Land Security be snagged for child porn.  He was on his private PC and home doing such.
 
However, if the same chap was in BDSM chat and such, where child porn wasn't the focus--it is a what if but; still is an assumption of the circumstances indeed.  Just a thought for consideration.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 10:07:40 PM   
juliaoceania


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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Ja, they indoctrinate you.... it may be just what it is........some of that shit takes time to get over.......

You wonder who will come to your door and accuse you of killing kennedy or getting head from J Edgar ......

LOL........

Kinda serious tho..........in that respect the government has a very long memory



When they follow me, listen to my calls, and read my mail... it's all good.. Just following a family tradition of dissidence.. If you want on their list just sign petitions and protest a few times.. worked for me!

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 10:12:06 PM   
Emperor1956


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Status: offline 		Bearlee (and the thread):  a few truths.

1.  There is NO ONE in domestic military service within the borders of the USA who is so high-level-deeply-secretively embedded in his job that he cannot give you his name.  Miss, you were being played.  I'm glad you caught on.

2.  Those people who ARE that deeply embedded -- undercover operatives in domestic criminal investigations and the poor unfortunates attached to terrorist cells come to mind - don't play kissy kissy/spanky spanky games on the 'Net when they are deeply embedded.  At least not if they want to keep their job...and "keep their job" means not wind up in a culvert riddled with 9mm slugs.  Again, you were being played.

3.  Those of us who write and teach for a living are painfully proud of our communication skills and cannot produce a written missive that is riddled with spelling, syntax and typing mistakes.  Predigesting the note thru a word processor is irrelevant.  If this man is what he said he is, he would not have released that note to you.  Either he was lying again (DUH!) or he was deliberately faking stupid.  And yes, again....you were being played.

E

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 10:26:36 PM   
Mavis


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Status: offline 		He's phooey.   i live just outside of Fort Campbell,  my hubby retired 20 years Army.  while he was scared to go to adult clubs and such because of being found out, His name and address are NOt and never were regulated by the Army in any way.  

His unit affiliation is not private, but there are units that are.  There is one group here at Campbell we know exisits and not exactly where, and members of that unit don't say which unit they are affiliated with, BUt they don't hide thier names and addresses, they live in the nightborhoods with the rest of us.  It's just understood if someone asks "What unit are you with?" and get a reply like  "It's not important, I'm changing units soon anyway"  we just assume "oh, he's with that group" and drop it. 

Even if someone is undercover with the CIA, His name and address isn't a secret, only his association with a particular role and position is.  He'd have a cover story that he worked for.. i dunno...  a grocery.  Still, the  name and address isn't govt property.  You are correct, even an enemy capturer would get "name, rank and serial number" but usually not a unit affiliation if they can avoid giving such info out.

I will say, giving out his identifying info is terrifying for a military member.  If his "unwholesome activities" did get leaked, he could be charged with various crimes, booted out, possibly jailed.  If married, and found out, his wife could charge him with adultery, which will ruin his career, and whop him worse in any child custody or spousal support awards.

Honestly, if something is so top secret, you can bet that person has a fully fleshed out cover story and you'd have been told he worked for Wal-Mart or something.  He'd still have a name and address!  lol.

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none of this applies to me, i'm only playing with lables this week.

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/6/2006 10:46:01 PM   
GMRTGS


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Status: offline 		Hello all,  hope everyone is well.I have lived this way of  life ever since I was old enough to join the army,and did.  I remember many a days where I thought I was gonna   be  court martialed on several occasions, trying to keep this way of life secret.  It is a real threat. Most of those in the military do have to be extremely discreet . The military code of justice. The UCMJ is very very draconian. The military go to great lengths to enforce morality codes with in the UCMJ. Having served in special ops most of my time in the service, I know we could not disclose to anyone our identities or what we do for work.  In fact we are still held accountable  even now. We were required to stay in almost constant contact.  Yes he could be married and yes ,if he is caught could lose the farm and face 10-25 years at Ft. Levenworth. Just because they can.  Although his point was valid to a degree, there are still ways one can aproach this and live it in the military.  Most  of those on active duty are way to busy to be able to play . We have active duty members of a group I am part of and we have not seen them since 911. We know where they are and know they are doing thier job. Any how that is my two cents  worth hope this helps.Be well be safeDE  OPRESSO LIBER

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/7/2006 12:06:57 AM   
NastyDaddy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bearlee
... Apparently what he does is SO top-secret or sooo sensitive; I could not know even his name or address……much less any other information....


Sounds a lot like the used car salesman excellently portrayed by Bill Paxton in the movie True Lies... 

... baby the sattelites are coming over the horizon, I really do need to hide my hand inside your panties... will you help a poor tired secret agent with surgically implanted microfichies in my hand... a for real real jam up guy in truely dire need... in the interests of national security???

Bullshit Alert!

Any association with the military looks mysterious to civilians (outside looking in), and that has been exploited as a "be all you can be" concept, knowing you have no audit trail.... perfect playing fields of sweet naughty subterfuge for a married or attached person looking for some strange.

The Air Force Academy is in Colorado Springs. There are no Killer Ninja slots or Killer Ninja Units assigned to the Academy... and I don't think Killer Ninja's are wasted in boring writing positions or etiquette/protocol staff slots... that's usually staffed by an XO's brown noser. They use Killer Ninja's for real Killer Ninja stuff like painting stripes on parking lots...

   



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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/7/2006 5:04:47 AM   
darkslife


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Status: offline 		I'm former Australian Army in Signals - and there have been periods when I was under orders to fly so far under the radar as to barely register.  This type of situation is rare.  Usually you can give a name and mobile number at most, but not tell others where you work, what you do, who you do it with or any information that may be tracked back to your place of work.  This can lead to some interesting situations or people thinking you lie.  My ex didn't believe me when I did the disappearing thing.

Its possible he was being upfront, but I doubt it.  Usually those of us in those situations just ride them out and drink far too much at the base boozers.



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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/7/2006 5:49:12 AM   
Bearlee


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Status: offline 		Too funny mnottertail!  Yeah, as he was telling me he couldn’t give out information about himself, he went on to say that ‘because of events in the news this week; he’d be out of town for several days’.  <shakes head>  Thanks!
 
ACK…DoctorDubious!  I am too (dubious)!  After already having fallen for a wonderful guy and dated him nearly a year; only to discover the ‘Christian roommate who believes only a hussy spends weekends with her boyfriend’…was actually his wife; I am NOT interested in even meeting this duffus.   He was just setting it up not to give me the information I’d want eventually; not to meet for coffee of course…but certainly before we got close at all.  I can’t see the need for more than a name and address after the coffee date…and perhaps a driver’s license after awhile.  Thank you, Sir.
 
WOW… Padriag!  Thanks so much.  I’ve known plenty of people with sensitive situations and employment positions…but to the man, they were able to share name and address, and more as we got close.  Of course, some cannot share much information regarding exactly what they do (as I stated earlier), but I think it’s interesting the extent to which a guy will go………to blow smoke.  I certainly hope all the women pay attention to this thread!
 
LadyHugs, with all due respect, I was not interested in any information just to meet for coffee.  But he was trying to set it up to never have to even give his name and address should we actually begin ‘seeing’ each other.  To his credit, he said this is why he can’t get romantically involved…but since I’ve met people with legitimate reasons to be discreet and still they could eventually give 'verifiable contact information'; I’m quite sure this one was a wanker.  Thanks for your comments...I like da boys, too! 
 
Emperor Sir…thank you very much.  I have no intention of corresponding anymore with this guy.  I thought it a bit of a new twist…and just thought I’d share it with the board.  If a younger woman reads this, perhaps it will have done some good.
 
Mavis…EXACTLY!  Thank you.
 
GMRTGS…well, I’ve played with friends in Special Ops.  I think Mavis was being more realistic about ‘how’ things are done.  A man in Special Ops may not frequent clubs and munches, but should he meet a woman he was interested in…he’d certainly be able to give ‘verifiable information’…just as I see you require in your profile.  Obviously what he gave over a first meet for coffee would be less than what he divulged as he got to know the girl and the two of them developed trust together...even if he never could discuss what he does 'at work'.  Thank you for your post.
 
NastyDaddy….. ROFLMBO  Thank you!
 
Darkslife…perhaps is a big word, isn’t it?  Perhaps he IS some sort of Special Agent…I still believe they can supply name and address.  I didn’t even care to know more than his scene name to meet for coffee, and certainly would never ask for his SS# much less exactly what he did at work.  Eventually, I’d want something like a driver’s license to confirm the name and address…but not more than that.  
 
So again, I really do think the guy was blowin smoke and I hope nobody falls for such tales as this one tells (and so badly, too!)  LOL     Thank you all for your comments!

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/7/2006 7:12:41 AM   
Alumbrado


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Status: offline 		The number of people who pretend to be sooper sekrit men of mystery is staggering.

At one point a group of Navy Seals started tracking down and exposing the wannabes and impostors, and basically ran out of hours in the day to do so...and that was just in their small part of the specwar community.

One of the things they posted on the fake Navy Seal website seems pertinent to this discussion...to the effect that there are no classified people, only classified missions.

Anyone who says they cannot tell you anything about themselves is already telling you everything you need to know about them.

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/7/2006 7:51:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		NORAD is also located in Colorado Springs. As well as two Air Force bases. One (if I remember correctly) worked in conjunction with NASA. Not that any of it really matters.

As for the OP, I doubt this guy was anything he said he was. Waaaay to many inconsistencies. Someone high up that can't spell worth a shit would not be taken seriously. Especially in the military. Civilian counter parts included. Even the guys I knew in Special Ops and Special Forces could give a name and or address. It all just doesn't add up.

Edited to add the Air Force bases are located near Colorado Springs, not at.

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RE: Military & BDSM - 7/7/2006 8:25:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		This guy sounds like the used car salesman from 'True Lies.'
 
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