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Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 3:52:29 AM

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A true slave want only to serve every MASTERS need and desire. The slave should want to serve and doing it gladly.

So if MASTER want to humiliate the slave, the slave would serve and gladly.

Logically so can not be a slave to be humiliated.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 3:56:05 AM

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 4:38:00 AM

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Logically and realistically there is no such thing as a consensual "true" slave, so there is also logically no point to what you are saying.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 4:50:43 AM

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I don't resort to humiliation or have punishment, as opposed to discipline, dynamics.

According to your logic, I can never have a slave.

Doesn't quite add up. You've painted yourself into a corner.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 5:13:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: bislave5

A true slave want only to serve every MASTERS need and desire. The slave should want to serve and doing it gladly.

So if MASTER want to humiliate the slave, the slave would serve and gladly.

Logically so can not be a slave to be humiliated.

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I would find it rather humiliating going around serving the needs and desires of EVERY MASTER out there.
Therefore, I must not be a true slave, and cannot for the life of me understand what you are trying to say/ask/discuss.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 5:15:15 AM

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beam me up Scotty. This is humiliating.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 5:16:46 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bislave5

A true slave want only to serve every MASTERS need and desire. The slave should want to serve and doing it gladly.

So if MASTER want to humiliate the slave, the slave would serve and gladly.

Logically so can not be a slave to be humiliated.

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In serving every Masters' needs and desires, the slave would fail to serve any one of them properly, and as such, be pretty useless. Or did you mean, 'serve Master's every need and desire'?

Either way, human sexuality is not based on logic. Better things to ask yourself would be:
-Do I find this humiliating? Why?
-Do I like it?
-Are we both satisfied with the relationship?
It really doesn't matter if you feel humiliated, so long as you're both getting what you need.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 5:24:48 AM

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A true slave want only to serve every MASTERS need and desire.

The first of many problems I see with your statement is... What is your definition of a "True Slave"?
There has been a thread recently where I asked a similar question and I think if you read that, you will see there isn't really a black and white definition in a D/s, M/s type context.
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4639044

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The slave should want to serve and doing it gladly.
So if MASTER want to humiliate the slave, the slave would serve and gladly.

Well "logically" if the master you refer to wanted a slave to be humiliated, but the slave decided to be glad instead.... They wouldn't be a very obedient slave now would they...

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Logically so can not be a slave to be humiliated.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 5:50:38 AM

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Sheesh, folks. His first post. Let's be more welcoming, shall we?

bislave5, slaves have feelings. Part of the fun of being a Dom is in not only controlling a sub's body, but his or her feelings as well. Thus you have subs that are teased and aroused, and then refused permission for release, among other dynamics.

The short answer is that a Master not only can cause a slave to feel humiliation, but can very likely exult in his ability to do that.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 6:39:50 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bislave5

A true slave want only to serve every MASTERS need and desire. The slave should want to serve and doing it gladly.

So if MASTER want to humiliate the slave, the slave would serve and gladly.

Logically so can not be a slave to be humiliated.

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Actually, it's an intriguing point with a bit of cleverness :)

BUT, I do think it's possible to gladly serve and obey but still feel humiliated. You can choose your actions, but you can't choose your emotions. You can choose how you react to your emotions, but they happen naturally.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 6:52:57 AM

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It just came across as clumsy wank fuelled rhetoric to me. I may be becoming cynical, if so I apologise. I do see a lot of it here but don't often respond to it.
So if this was a badly written but sincere interest or question, then by all means welcomes all around!

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 8:10:10 AM

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I don't need or want humiliation, so for me it would be unacceptable. In no way do I find it a logical application.
But it does seem to be a common theme from the pro-dom sites.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 8:39:31 AM

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OP - if you don't find humiliation humiliating because you welcome it as an expression of your submission to your master, then you are a BAD slave!!!

If he is getting upset, perhaps you could take acting lessons and cover really well.

Honestly, in a day to day existence, I don't think this question comes up very often, so, you're safe. *phew* escaped that one by the skin of your teeth.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 8:46:12 AM

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I serve my Master as he sees fit. I only serve him - the other 'Masters' can take a running jump as far as we're both concerned

Master sometimes likes to humiliate me. But to be honest, I don't find it humiliating at all. I find it humbling and occasionally hot, but never humiliating.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 9:46:59 AM

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This might be a tenable point if only we could agree on the definition of a true master. Since most of the dudes who call themselves this don't merit that title in my opinion I have no problem not submitting to all of them.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 10:03:03 AM

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quote:

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It just came across as clumsy wank fuelled rhetoric to me. I may be becoming cynical, if so I apologise. I do see a lot of it here but don't often respond to it.
So if this was a badly written but sincere interest or question, then by all means welcomes all around!

I'm on the same page.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 10:18:16 AM

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No, your statement isn't logical or true.

A slave or sub may gladly do something that is humiliating, but it can still be humiliating, even though they are doing it gladly.

They are gladly obeying. .. not gladly humiliating themselves.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 10:45:49 AM

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Sheesh, folks. His first post. Let's be more welcoming, shall we?

bislave5, slaves have feelings. Part of the fun of being a Dom is in not only controlling a sub's body, but his or her feelings as well. Thus you have subs that are teased and aroused, and then refused permission for release, among other dynamics.

The short answer is that a Master not only can cause a slave to feel humiliation, but can very likely exult in his ability to do that.

It also seems probable that the OP's (original poster's) native language is not English. It sounds to me like he's saying that being a slave is an honorable thing and therefore cannot be humiliating. I would tend to agree, although I think specific activities can be humiliating, depending on the individual slave.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/22/2014 11:49:30 AM

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I love humiliation play but that is based on the submissive's inner needs and wants and desires. It is not based on the person themselves...who and what they are at their core. I can play with their "dark" desire to be a slut, on their love of "forbidden" anal sex but not on the fact that they are a submissive...or a slave...or a garbage collector.

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RE: Is it logical that slave is humiliated - 2/23/2014 1:30:01 AM

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Humiliation comes served in many flavors and forms.

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