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Jewishprincess22 -> The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 7:55:58 AM)

So, I've been talking to this man online for about a month now. Everything was going fine until we talked about deeper things and more personal things.

So, for starters, I try to eat healthy. I am on my last ten pounds and the only sweet thing I can eat is sugarfree jello. He tells me that he thinks I shouldn't be eating that because it's empty calories and not healthy and gives me no nutritional value. Well, all I do is eat protein and the good kind of carbs, like veggies. It won't kill me to have 10 calorie sugarfree jello. Anyway, the next second I find him saying that he is eating beef jerky. I tell him that's not very healthy and he goes "yeah, how???" I was like it's loaded with sodium so much it's not healthy at all. He's like, "yeah, but it's protein." Yeah, okay, barely. You're way better off actually eating lean beef if you want to be healthy. I get the whole he is dominant and he can do what he wants, but really? At least be intelligent about it.

Then, we are talking about being poly, both of us aren't. I know there is research out stating that some people are wired to just be poly. We both believe that means you aren't getting what you want from your primary, it has nothing to do with wiring. I, personally, need to see more research. He said, "where have we heard that before?" He starts talking about gay people. I am totally pro gay! I think these people are wired to be gay or not.

He says he is not anti-gay people, but he believes that since he was a philosophy major that if everyone did something that made it not sustainable (like everyone becoming gay there would be no children), that it becomes immoral. I said that is a flawed point of view if you ask me because not everyone is gay, it just seems silly to me. So, gay sex to him is immoral because it's not sustainable.

Then, before, he's talked about how psychology isn't a discipline he respects, yet he majored in philosophy and is telling me that it is grounded by science. I said well, good psychology is too. He tells me how philosophy is something he has used in his day-to-day life, i said psychology has done the same for me. I mean, are we just forgetting some insanely important psychology research here!?!?! For example, Milgram's Experiments, the Stanford Experiment, I mean these studies are so important and foundational. It just seems ignorant to me and frankly, hypocritical--yet again!

So, here he is, criticizing the discipline of psychology, and gay sex. Yet, when I criticize people who are teachers and how they are okay with a pay that will leave them basically living in poverty... that's not okay to criticize people he tells me. He says he will never allow that.

Did I mention that most of the people in his family are teachers?

So, basically, he can criticize what he wants, but I can't?

There are a lot of parts of him that I like, though. He is Jewish for one, and very caring. He'd definitely be there for me, and is serious about a relationship and his views about how a dominant should be with his submissive are exactly like mine...So, I frankly, don't know what to do. He has paid a lot of money to come out and visit me, and at this point though, I'm so turned off by him because I question his intelligence.

Thoughts? Opinions? Advice?

Thank you in advance.





Missokyst -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:05:06 AM)

Tough call.
A few of those things would be deal breakers for me, but he may have other things that would balance it out.
How much do you like him as a person?
It may be livable if you can not listen when he says ignorant things.
I know, I dated a hard core republican for 5 yrs.  At the end there he was coming around to researching instead of blindly following the party line.




Jewishprincess22 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:08:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Tough call.
A few of those things would be deal breakers for me, but he may have other things that would balance it out.
How much do you like him as a person?
It may be livable if you can not listen when he says ignorant things.
I know, I dated a hard core republican for 5 yrs.  At the end there he was coming around to researching instead of blindly following the party line.


See, here is the thing, I CAN be close with someone who has opposite views of me. My ex Master is one of the smartest men I know, but he's a totally for the tea party. However, he could back up a lot of his beliefs with logic and knowledge. I ask this guy to explain to me a rule or with logic and sometimes I get, " I don't have to explain it." I say, at the foundational stages you do for me to be able to trust you and follow you. Because at this point, when he refuses to explain himself... I find it to be because he can't. Because he isn't smart. That's the only logical explanation I can resort to.




Jewishprincess22 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:15:55 AM)

I like that he wants a family, that he is serious about that. He is very caring... I want that in a man. There are so many attributes about him that are SO HARD to find. That is why I am not just disregarding him.




RedMagic1 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:16:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jewishprincess22
Thoughts? Opinions? Advice?

I think you have a low bar for what you call "intelligence." It's one thing to be clever, or quick with "facts"; it's quite another to be thorough and deep.




Missokyst -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:17:03 AM)

Oh I DO get that, and it would be a deal breaker for me.  I have to know that someone has the ability and guts to do a bit of research to back up their knowledge.  It is why I used to question priests, nuns, teachers, and adults when I was a kid.  I need to believe that those above me SHOULD be above me.
This is complicated somewhat if they happen to be dominant.  But until someone is my dominant that statement "I don't have to explain it." won't fly.  My mind would be shutting down the submissive flip.
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ORIGINAL: Jewishprincess22

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Tough call.
A few of those things would be deal breakers for me, but he may have other things that would balance it out.
How much do you like him as a person?
It may be livable if you can not listen when he says ignorant things.
I know, I dated a hard core republican for 5 yrs.  At the end there he was coming around to researching instead of blindly following the party line.


See, here is the thing, I CAN be close with someone who has opposite views of me. My ex Master is one of the smartest men I know, but he's a totally for the tea party. However, he could back up a lot of his beliefs with logic and knowledge. I ask this guy to explain to me a rule or with logic and sometimes I get, " I don't have to explain it." I say, at the foundational stages you do for me to be able to trust you and follow you. Because at this point, when he refuses to explain himself... I find it to be because he can't. Because he isn't smart. That's the only logical explanation I can resort to.




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:20:55 AM)

I'd be moving on. If you find so much of what he says infuriating now, in five years time even the way he holds his cereal spoon will drive you nuts.

Besides, the ignorant attitude about gay people, plus the dismissive attitude to a field you're invested in and the unwillingness to explain and discuss all have the potential to become much bigger issues as time passes.




Jewishprincess22 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:23:53 AM)

And, my mind does shut down. I get defensive and I start to argue..... my ex Master explained EVERYTHING. He definitely had different views than me, but could at least back them up.




kiwisub12 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:28:21 AM)

Agree with above - relationships are hard to sustain when you absolutely adore everything about the person in the beginning. I couldn't
imagine having to secretly think to myself "what a dick" every time my SO made a dumb statement because I couldn't actually say something.

and OP, you need to quit comparing your present company with the ex. It isn't fair to either people, and you will never find someone who does things the same as the ex.




sexyred1 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:28:52 AM)

As in all things, you have to weigh the pros and cons, especially with men.

If his good qualities outweigh his bad, decide if those qualities are livable.

I mean, you don't spend day to day life discussing philosophy or deep topics. You want someone reliable you can depend on.




Jewishprincess22 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:29:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

I'd be moving on. If you find so much of what he says infuriating now, in five years time even the way he holds his cereal spoon will drive you nuts.

Besides, the ignorant attitude about gay people, plus the dismissive attitude to a field you're invested in and the unwillingness to explain and discuss all have the potential to become much bigger issues as time passes.



My worries too...




Jewishprincess22 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:30:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

As in all things, you have to weigh the pros and cons, especially with men.

If his good qualities outweigh his bad, decide if those qualities are livable.

I mean, you don't spend day to day life discussing philosophy or deep topics. You want someone reliable you can depend on.

Being reliable and someone i can depend on is SO important to me. Many men aren't like that in today's society. So, that is really special.




sexyred1 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:37:57 AM)

I was with someone for over 10 years who had opposing ideas on everything. He was not a good communicator and he was younger than me. We had great chemistry and I chose to ignore his opinions.

However, differing opinions was not what broke us up. He was not reliable or there for me.

That is most important.

Also, I see you are 22 and sound like a smart girl. I will tell you that your own opinions and ideals may change as your life does. It did for me and that was why I was more patient with my younger boyfriend's differing ideas.

You really have a lot of time to find someone.




Jewishprincess22 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:41:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

I was with someone for over 10 years who had opposing ideas on everything. He was not a good communicator and he was younger than me. We had great chemistry and I chose to ignore his opinions.

However, differing opinions was not what broke us up. He was not reliable or there for me.

That is most important.

Also, I see you are 22 and sound like a smart girl. I will tell you that your own opinions and ideals may change as your life does. It did for me and that was why I was more patient with my younger boyfriend's differing ideas.

You really have a lot of time to find someone.

I know, so, do I meet him still because he is reliable and there for me? Which I find to be the most important thing too? I just worry about our differences. I don't mind differences, but his seem to be illogical and hypocritical, that is what I have an issue with.




Jewishprincess22 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:48:16 AM)

So, maybe I should pay attention more to the special attributes he has? Because those are hard to find.




ResidentSadist -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:48:55 AM)

If jello was your biggest incompatibility, I would say you had it made in the shade. We should all be so lucky. But letting jello be your first excuse to call him stupid on a public forum is a sure sign that the fat lady is signing and it's over . . . and that isn't even a core issue like poly, gay sex, intelligence or respect.

Speaking of respect, do you realize how complaining publicly, displaying ill manners and disrespect for a person you say would "definitely be there for you" and you chose to have a relationship makes you look? That is quite a collection of of bad choices you got going on.

Advice? I presume you already plan to cut your loses and bail because being Jewish and seeing BDSM in the same light can never be enough to cause you to follow someone you don't respect.




Jewishprincess22 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 8:52:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

If jello was your biggest incompatibility, I would say you had it made in the shade. We should all be so lucky. But letting jello be your first excuse to call him stupid on a public forum is a sure sign that the fat lady is signing and it's over . . . and that isn't even a core issue like poly, gay sex, intelligence or respect.

Speaking of respect, do you realize how complaining publicly, displaying ill manners and disrespect for a person you say would "definitely be there for you" and you chose to have a relationship makes you look? That is quite a collection of of bad choices you got going on.

Advice? I presume you already plan to cut your loses and bail because being Jewish and seeing BDSM in the same light can never be enough to cause you to follow someone you don't respect.



I believe explaining things from point a to b is important. I did not give out his name, I want advice. It's not making me look bad at all. We don't have a relationship yet, we haven't even met yet. I am being resourceful. Sorry that bothers YOU.




RedMagic1 -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 9:10:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jewishprincess22
we haven't even met yet

Cyberdrama is as important to some women as cybersex is to some men.

There are plenty of other ways to make your weekend feel emotionally fulfilling. Do some volunteer work, or go to a real-life kink event and meet people in the flesh.




crazyml -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 9:16:24 AM)

I think you know what you need to do.

Which is just as well, because while we can say what we'd do, ultimately we can't decide for you which things YOU should be willing to compromise on.

Having said that... I'd bail. Too many red flags that, to mix metaphors, are likely to come home to roost.




myotherself -> RE: The Hypocrisy (2/22/2014 9:20:08 AM)

I don't think you are suited.

Both of you appear to be argumentative and both want to be 'right'. Yet having read what you've said, I'd say both of you are right...and both of you are wrong.

The issue is whether you are willing to cede to his dominance and learn to zip the lip. If you can't, then you should both move on to people who are more suited to you.




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