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Imo Hitler was mentally insane (whereas Bush II wasn't), Hitler might have been able to win if not for that, imo.. Its not like there weren't attempts to knock him off by some that saw his insanity.. they just weren't successful..

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As far as Bush II goes, why/how the hell did he ever become Prez??? he never accomplished anything in his life, any business he started was a failure..

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But I see him as closest to Hitler due to the fact that he brought in the Patriot Act giving the govt the ability to throw anyone they want in jail as a so called "terrorist" without legal representation, a phone call to your family, a trial, for however they want to keep you.. to me that's the definition of a dictatorship.. they have even labeled Assange & Snowden as "terrorists"..

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

So, anything WalMart gets to build in a particular location that is given to them by local elected officials (who probably think, for some unknown reason, that bringing WalMart into an area is going to be a greater benefit than cost) is bad, huh? Perhaps that beef is with the local elected officials who made those deals, no?

And, just a question: are those tax breaks, or are they subsidies (the two are not the same)?

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ORIGINAL: tj444
Imo Hitler was mentally insane (whereas Bush II wasn't), Hitler might have been able to win if not for that, imo.. Its not like there weren't attempts to knock him off by some that saw his insanity.. they just weren't successful..

If Hitler was really the half-crazed lunatic that so many people said he was, the war probably would have ended before it got started. Unfortunately for the world, he was actually quite able, and it would take the combined power of the USSR, British Empire, and the USA (among many other nations) to finally bring him down.

With Bush Jr., all we had to do was wait for his term to expire.

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As far as Bush II goes, why/how the hell did he ever become Prez??? he never accomplished anything in his life, any business he started was a failure..

He had good family connections. As always, it's not what you know, it's who you know.

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But I see him as closest to Hitler due to the fact that he brought in the Patriot Act giving the govt the ability to throw anyone they want in jail as a so called "terrorist" without legal representation, a phone call to your family, a trial, for however they want to keep you.. to me that's the definition of a dictatorship.. they have even labeled Assange & Snowden as "terrorists"..

Well, the government has always been a bit too free and easy with the "terrorist" label to suit me, so I won't argue that point.

I guess I was just never entirely convinced that Bush Jr. was really his own man and actually calling the shots. He just fit the suit.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
So, anything WalMart gets to build in a particular location that is given to them by local elected officials (who probably think, for some unknown reason, that bringing WalMart into an area is going to be a greater benefit than cost) is bad, huh? Perhaps that beef is with the local elected officials who made those deals, no?
And, just a question: are those tax breaks, or are they subsidies (the two are not the same)?

Yes, personally I have no use for politicians of any level, including local dudes and in particular when its giving handouts to a huge corp like Walmart.. Imo, Walmart would build in that area/location regardless cuz they feel there is a good, growing market there for them, so why give them a subsidy? its a costly (to taxpayers) and unnecessary "cherry on top of the sundae".. They would build there anyway..
you asked the question, I attempted to answer it... since there is no database of all the subsidies, who gets what & for what, there are likely many more that haven't been reported on.. and the group that set up the site & the list has called them "subsidies".. they seem to include a lot of different types of govt handouts (low interest loans, reduced tax, tax holiday) in their reports but that page doesn't break it down to what type, just the amount.. The thing about tax breaks, if it is only given to a few corps in an area and not all of them then its not a tax break to me, its a subsidy cuz they are given something when others in the same classification are not..

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Hitler made some serious & stupid mistakes due to his insanity, imo... he tried to go too far too fast at the wrong time (what kind of a sane leader sends ill equipped troops into the Russian winter with summer uniforms???).. those are not mistakes an able sane leader would have made..

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Yes, I realize that Bush had family connections, etc but Americans voted for the dangerous idiot (that is what I don't understand).. without those votes he would not have been made Prez.. Imo, I think Bush had a serious hard-on for Iraq and wanted to invade/show them regardless, and 9/11 was the excuse he used..

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Hitler made some serious & stupid mistakes due to his insanity, imo... he tried to go too far too fast at the wrong time (what kind of a sane leader sends ill equipped troops into the Russian winter with summer uniforms???).. those are not mistakes an able sane leader would have made..

Yes, although he probably made even some bigger mistakes later on.

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They may not build there anyway. That's the thing. They could build in the suburbs, taking income tax, property tax, sales tax, etc. with them. They could build in the next County, or even the next State, if your close to a border. Then, there are the other establishments that build in WalMart outlots that aren't necessarily going to be there anyway.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
They may not build there anyway. That's the thing. They could build in the suburbs, taking income tax, property tax, sales tax, etc. with them. They could build in the next County, or even the next State, if your close to a border. Then, there are the other establishments that build in WalMart outlots that aren't necessarily going to be there anyway.

depends on how good the market is in each location.. if its a great market then they would be sorta stupid not to build, even without subsidies/tax breaks/govt handouts/whatever ya wanna call them..

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How absurd, that we continue to tolerate this system.

There was no mention of what the subsidies were.

Go to the source of the report and you can look up the various "subsidies" granted. GM has one that is listed as over $1B, but includes a 25-year abatement of property taxes. One has to wonder how that's going to be weighed over the life of the "subsidy."

Also included are tax credits and rebates, which aren't really subsidies.

It's amazing, really, how GM gets billions in "subsidies" and gets a pass, while Big Oil gets $4B total, and is excoriated.

GM and Chrysler get bail outs totally billions and that's okay because of all the jobs it saved in supporting businesses. Yet, when reports like this come out, that's not mentioned.

This is sensationalist journalism. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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Also included are tax credits and rebates, which aren't really subsidies.

Then by your perspective, it would stand to reason that folks on Obamacare receiving tax credits to assist paying their health insurance premiums are not being subsidized.

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ORIGINAL: subfever
How absurd, that we continue to tolerate this system.

There was no mention of what the subsidies were.
Go to the source of the report and you can look up the various "subsidies" granted. GM has one that is listed as over $1B, but includes a 25-year abatement of property taxes. One has to wonder how that's going to be weighed over the life of the "subsidy."
Also included are tax credits and rebates, which aren't really subsidies.
It's amazing, really, how GM gets billions in "subsidies" and gets a pass, while Big Oil gets $4B total, and is excoriated.
GM and Chrysler get bail outs totally billions and that's okay because of all the jobs it saved in supporting businesses. Yet, when reports like this come out, that's not mentioned.
This is sensationalist journalism. Nothing more. Nothing less.

It's actually quite accurate and every dime they get no matter the form...is a subsidy. Also, these are ONLY state subsidies. GM got a federal govt. 'debtor-in-financing' guarantee that the great and glorious marketplace turned down. Plus, saving the auto companies did save jobs which was an aberration because historically, those bailouts weren't for jobs, it was for investors only...fuck the workers.
You seem to think that because they didn't spend an hour on this and mention every penny to every corp., that its rendered simply sensationalism. Why ? Even the CATO inst. says federal corp. welfare alone, now surpasses $100 billion a year, $30 billion more than ALL of food stamps. Pentagon cost overruns alone, often also outstrip all of food stamps.

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