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Hey! Let's cam! - 2/27/2014 9:52:06 AM

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This is probably going to be moved to R&P. But it really belongs in the kink section. Because it is pretty kinky.

Stop me if you've heard this one.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo
It is not fully clear from the documents how much access the NSA has to the Yahoo webcam trove itself, though all of the policy documents were available to NSA analysts through their routine information-sharing. A previously revealed NSA metadata repository, codenamed Marina, has what the documents describe as a protocol class for webcam information.

In its statement to the Guardian, Yahoo strongly condemned the Optic Nerve program, and said it had no awareness of or involvement with the GCHQ collection.

"We were not aware of, nor would we condone, this reported activity," said a spokeswoman. "This report, if true, represents a whole new level of violation of our users' privacy that is completely unacceptable, and we strongly call on the world's governments to reform surveillance law consistent with the principles we outlined in December.

"We are committed to preserving our users' trust and security and continue our efforts to expand encryption across all of our services."

So. You don't mind the police are looking in your window whenever they feel like it. Do you?

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 2/27/2014 10:12:51 AM

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I am flabbergasted.
I am going to share this on FB :-)
Thanks for sharing.

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 2/27/2014 10:47:51 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake

This is probably going to be moved to R&P. But it really belongs in the kink section. Because it is pretty kinky.

Stop me if you've heard this one.

quote:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo
It is not fully clear from the documents how much access the NSA has to the Yahoo webcam trove itself, though all of the policy documents were available to NSA analysts through their routine information-sharing. A previously revealed NSA metadata repository, codenamed Marina, has what the documents describe as a protocol class for webcam information.

In its statement to the Guardian, Yahoo strongly condemned the Optic Nerve program, and said it had no awareness of or involvement with the GCHQ collection.

"We were not aware of, nor would we condone, this reported activity," said a spokeswoman. "This report, if true, represents a whole new level of violation of our users' privacy that is completely unacceptable, and we strongly call on the world's governments to reform surveillance law consistent with the principles we outlined in December.

"We are committed to preserving our users' trust and security and continue our efforts to expand encryption across all of our services."

So. You don't mind the police are looking in your window whenever they feel like it. Do you?

I'm going to cross-reference this to the thread about the guy wanting women to watch him punk himself on cam...for free, of course.

He thinks it'll be a nice precursor to a 'real' relationship.

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 2/27/2014 10:57:19 AM

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This might actually excite him, as he's getting a free audience ;)

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 2/27/2014 1:29:56 PM

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Damn... how can I get a job there!!!

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 2/27/2014 11:23:34 PM

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I was thinking this was going to cut both ways.

Some folks will be will be looking for their teeth under the couch. Others will be maybe not so secretly pleased.

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 2/28/2014 12:52:15 AM

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But the ones that usually want to cam, I somehow have the feeling that they aren't planning to show their faces on cam...

I think the NSA guys should possibly get a raise (talking about money here)

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 2/28/2014 8:27:40 PM

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Master and I were just talking about this tonight.

Our thoughts are that all the pro webcam girls should send them a bill stating this is what I charge. This is what you owe me.

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 2/28/2014 8:38:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I somehow have the feeling that they aren't planning to show their faces on cam...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo

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One document even likened the program's "bulk access to Yahoo webcam images/events" to a massive digital police mugbook of previously arrested individuals.

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 3/1/2014 2:43:54 AM

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Thanks, I read the article, I was actually a bit tongue in cheek and thinking about the guys on CM who hit you with "I want to show my devotion for you on cam by inserting <insert long object, may be plastic, rubber, wood or even of the vegetable or salad variety> in the way you instruct me to!"

But you know, to keep it all in check, we're on a kink board, I'm sure our mails and private messages are read, our post certainly are, what more can they find out? I'm kinda surprised that people are surprised about the surveillance, I always assumed they're doing it anyway. I mean put yourself into their shoes, if you'd have a method to spy on anybody and you'd be in their situation, wouldn't you do it?

Even if you're working in a job where you need security clearance, they are less worried about your kinks, what they worry about is if they could make you a target of blackmail, so you trying to hide them would tell them you're a risk.

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 3/1/2014 9:57:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
put yourself into their shoes, if you'd have a method to spy on anybody and you'd be in their situation, wouldn't you do it?

I agree with Lady Constanze in that there is no way law enforcement and/or spies (on both sides) aren't on this forum (and all others), gathering (and saving) data, daily.

I don't have any evidence, other than the fact that I have probably three dozen profiles on here, all different, and I noted that certain individuals always contact those bait profiles for more information. Some of these individuals also post frequently on the forums. They have a "presence". They're "trusted".

It's all part of the game.

Again, I have NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER, but, if I were the spooks, I'd pay a "volunteer" moderator or admin (on the side of course) to provide batch information to me about everyone of us.

I repeat, I have no evidence, but, that's what I would do (and much more) with all your IP address and email and zip code and photographic and journal and posts and profile information.

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 3/1/2014 9:59:56 AM

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LOLOLOL. Yeah, the cops are beating off to us, and the NSA is beating off to the cops beating off to us.

Nothing could be more plausible and sensical.

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 3/1/2014 10:36:30 AM

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Snitch, I mean why would they need to look at the profiles when they can simply tap your internet connection and find out what you say here and on other sites, or what you do?

I didn't mean that individually we are all targeted, but I have no doubt that we could, should they deem that one of us is a threat.

A few years ago the search for plane terrorism was relatively easy as they had a certain profile:

They booked very much in advance (to make sure they got the flight and seat they wanted), they paid in cash, they showed up late to get rushed through security, not a bit secret, but those were 3 things that automatically raised a few red flags.

When it comes to kink, unless they have you on the radar for something else, they really aren't that bothered, not like there are a bunch of terrorists hiding amongst the kinksters, the usual suspects hanging out in P&R are are more likely to blow themselves up than anything else, and heaven knows they don't seem to get blown a lot.

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 3/3/2014 12:08:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
why would they need to look at the profiles when they can simply tap your internet connection and find out what you say here and on other sites, or what you do?

You have a point that they have all our cybint anyway. But they don't stop at just dnint mainly because comint in particular is so much more focused on what they're specifically after.

For example, let's say they are looking for, oh, I don't know, say, a certain type of individual who lives in a certain area and who has certain predilections and certain targets. If they were looking to gather focused osint on that adversary, they set up a series of "bait" profiles, along the lines of "hard candy" minus the thriller twists in the plot.

Then, they'd just sit and wait for the cat to come to the honey pot. They don't even have to target anyone in particular. They could just profile us first, and then specifically spend their resources on the ones most likely in their minds to be whom they're looking for,

Or, they could simply assume some of us associate with the type of person they're after, where the humint inherent in all our conversations is enough to provide them the data they need.

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RE: Hey! Let's cam! - 3/3/2014 7:42:16 AM

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Everything fun is going to be illegal in the UK soon. The leader of the coalition, David Cameron is on a mission to legally get the same snooping rights that NSA acquired more stealthily. All the propaganda is slanted towards protecting underage web users. This is the thin end of the wedge, although if he's still in charge after the next election I am going to fucking emigrate, no questions.

Wiki: Section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008

It refers to pornography (defined as an image "of such a nature that it must reasonably be assumed to have been produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal") which is "grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character" and portrays "in an explicit and realistic way" any of the following:

An act threatening a person's life
An act which results (or is likely to result) in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals
An act which involves (or appears to involve) sexual interference with a human corpse
A person performing (or appearing to perform) an act of intercourse (or oral sex) with an animal (whether dead or alive)
and a reasonable person looking at the image would think that any such person (or animal) was real.

The term covers staged acts, and applies whether or not the participants consent

Wiki: Obscene Publications Acts

The Publications Act has a really vague concept of Obscene, namely: "Whether the tendency of the letter published is to deprave and corrupt those whose minds are open to such immoral influence and into whose hands the publication might fall."

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