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BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 3:19:12 PM)

Is it wrong to believe in a fairy tale? There are different ways to gauge truth. It is clear the selling point are their deeds and not the inherent truth of the message. What Joseph Smith said about all the religions getting it wrong is something I recognize. The problem is everyone does get it wrong. They do not do so equally, however. From what I can gather Mormonism is a technology. Though technology is not entirely incompatible with Christianity, technology is intrinsically worldly. It is a means to achieve a worldly outcome. Can a Christian practice such technology? Yes, but within limits.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 3:23:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

It might have been something that was past its prime, even while being blurted out.


Embracing my inner Mormon, good to see you mnottertail. What would a thread be without you?



mnottertail -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 3:24:31 PM)

far less esoteric and far more unintelligible.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 3:40:25 PM)

In Mormonism you make sacrifice x and receive result y. This is what makes it a technology. In a typical Christian faith the relationship between x and y is rarely as clear. It is not because their practice of the faith is inferior. It is because they are more faithful to scripture than the Mormons.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 3:42:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

far less esoteric and far more unintelligible.


So what you are saying is I am more intelligible when speaking in esoterica?



GotSteel -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 7:48:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
Are you a Mormon by any chance?


No, I'm still an atheist.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/3/2014 11:15:18 PM)

I am a male Dominant, but what I have consistently is that the sort of male dominance Mormons practice is incompatible with the sort of Dominance I practice. It is how should I put it? It is bad tempered. I do not know how else to describe it. I am not referring to a capacity to express emotion be it anger or what have you. Bad tempered as in badly behaved. I have met God the Father. He is very masculine, but to be all honest I do not see how the Mormon patriarchs are made in the image of God the Father. They do not draw in my opinion their authority from God the Father which of course begs the question, from what source do they draw their authority?



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/4/2014 3:57:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

One of the things I noticed is they are hyper-conservative in their thinking, extreme far right.


Religious right, yes, absolutely. Fiscal right, they are pretty middle of the road, with a fondness for infrastructure, good public schools and parks.


Fondness for infrastructure as in infrastructure they can make use of or is it infrastructure for the benefit of society? They have a hive mentality consequently collectivist thinking comes naturally to them. So this does not surprise me. The problem with being on the extreme right or left is that it can only be ultimately self-serving.

The reason why is simple. Extreme positions are the most exclusive. It seems to me that the Mormons want the same sort of success that the Catholic Church once enjoyed, but with less intrinsic legitimacy. Their argument is straight forward: Money talks, shit walks. Except you substitute the word Money with Power.

With the early Christians it was the forlorn battle that some how "miraculously" was won. The Mormons on the other hand have a plan. The early Christians to the extent that I am aware of did not have a plan. They accepted the inherent truth of the Christian message and things just fell into place.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/4/2014 4:16:11 PM)

The difference I see between Mormonism and Catholicism is that the mission of the Catholic Church is other worldly though it has a dominant position within the world. The so-called kooky beliefs held by the Mormons I believe serves a practical purpose. It sucks any other worldliness out of it. Notice that the gifts that you are to receive in the after life are spelled out; they are specific.

An atheist may argue isn't this also true for Catholicism or Christianity in general, or religion in general? The tendency for this exists, but this is beside the point. The real question is do counter-tendencies also exist? In other words I am accusing atheists of cherry picking their data.

According to what I can see their appears to be an absence of such counter-tendencies in Mormonism. It is all one way, a path to a godless victory, that is a path that does not rely on the intercession of God.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/4/2014 4:28:41 PM)

It is my understanding that the ancient Greek mystery schools arrived at the following conclusion based on purely logical considerations, extra scientific, in the A.D.: There exists exactly one God or God does not exist. What I am saying is the matter was well researched. There are no logical difficulties with a belief in one God. The problem is the situation is ambiguous.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/4/2014 4:33:56 PM)

What it comes down to is this. A belief in God requires a leap of faith.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/4/2014 4:40:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

... In other words I am accusing atheists of cherry picking their data.


Confirmation bias



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/4/2014 5:43:16 PM)

It is clear from the teachings of Christ that Christ was not especially concerned with betrayals that stem from necessity. He damned those who had a choice, those with abundance, but kept the excess for themselves. In the parable of the ten virgins the five who were saved could not share what they had to save the five who would be lost out of necessity.

This is a problem for Mormonism because it is their goal is to create abundance for themselves to guarantee their future.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/4/2014 5:55:08 PM)

I believe there is a diabolical disorientation because they see themselves as the five virgins who prepared for the coming of Christ who will be seated at the right hand.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/4/2014 6:53:01 PM)

Though I am vulnerable to accusations that I am not a faithful Catholic, what I wrote defends the authority of the Church. There was no apparition of Mary to force the hand of the Church to concede the legitimacy of the Protestant Reformation.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/4/2014 7:14:18 PM)

mnottertail posted something interesting in
Dhimmi status is back in style
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4648364/tm.htm
post #14

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

As I said, the religion fighting religion is not a one way street.


Prove it.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/5/2014 3:26:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

Though I am vulnerable to accusations that I am not a faithful Catholic, what I wrote defends the authority of the Church. There was no apparition of Mary to force the hand of the Church to concede the legitimacy of the Protestant Reformation.


The Protestant Reformation did open the door to these sorts of legitimacy problems. With Mormonism perhaps the claim is that its legitimacy is not in its message, but in the hearts and minds of its converts, men and women with the innocence of cherubs.



BenevolentM -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/5/2014 4:11:11 AM)

Perhaps it could be argued that legitimacy is unimportant. What makes legitimacy important? Why must something be legitimate?



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/5/2014 4:14:50 AM)

Is he STILL rambling on-and-on-and-on-and-on-and-on....???



DaddySatyr -> RE: We know that it is science fiction (3/5/2014 4:20:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Is he STILL rambling on-and-on-and-on-and-on-and-on....???



I suggest re-naming the thread to "____________'s Public Blog"






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