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Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/3/2014 10:33:39 PM   
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I am not a pain slut. I do enjoy some degree of masochism, some flogging and wax play along with some mild cbt. And I am willing to accept that the right dominant could help me to broaden my tastes in this area to some degree. But I know some of my hard limits. I am never going to enjoy single tails or being caned and I am not fond of crops either. And I can say with a degree of certainty that what passes for fairly middle of the road cbt is probably beyond my limits. I am certainly not to agree to having my scrotum nailed to a board.

My point is that I have come to find this label that I think applies to what it is that I do, sensual BDSM. Now, if someone reading this feels that I have this all wrong, please do correct me, I am here to learn. My understanding of the term is that, in my case, it means that I enjoy elements of bondage(yes I do), domination(especially mental), sadism(in the shallow end of the pool) and masochism(just not the heavier stuff and thud more than sting). It means that I enjoy all these things within my hard limits but that I enjoy them with a sensual edge to them rather than a severe edge.

I think I have a term now that describes my 'zone' in this world better than any other I have found so far. But, as I have been searching through profiles for dominants I have found very little in the way of people who seem to fit within this kind of dynamic or paradigm. It has left me with a bit of a sense of despair. I know that what I am seeking has to be out there somewhere.

So I am looking for some input here from other submissive types, regardless of gender identification. Are there any others around here who share my preference for sensual BDSM? Do any of you have ideas about what sensual BDSM means or doesn't mean? Does the concept of sensual BDSM play a role in your D/s dynamic already? If so can/will you share something about how it works for you? Any and all input and constructive criticism is welcome and appreciated.
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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/3/2014 10:59:57 PM   
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Although you are directing your question to other submissives, I would like to tell you that there are Sensual Dominas, and I am one of them. Usually, but not always, we are not so much into S&M (I'm not), but more into B&D, specifically Domestic Discipline. If push came to shove, I would forego BDSM for D/s. Two of my girlfriend Dommes only practice BDSM within an exclusive LTR. One has a steady partner who is more like her sub husband, and a (non-sexual) service sub who is a long-time friend of hers.

If you are expecting a D/s dynamic incorporating erotic BDSM outside of a committed relationship, you won't meet with success as easily. It's no different than dating a vanilla woman and expecting her to put out for a one-night stand. You might get lucky on occasion, but most women aren't looking for NSA sex. It's not so different with a Sensual Mistress. Ownership comes first with a sub partner who can make an enduring commitment. If I don't want to own a sub, and we don't have overall compatibility (not just sexual), he'll never get as far as the sensual BDSM portion with me.

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/3/2014 11:08:17 PM   
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I'm a switch, but I hope you'll consider what I have to say.

There are many people who are out there who are more than content to play within the limits of their sub or dom, and that's great. I'm sure that there are many, however, who may have not even realised their interests due to, as you say, it being a little bit... well... light. You're looking at the deep end of the pool here in terms of kink. Many here are into extremes, and that's why they come onto sites like these - because people in "vanilla land" wouldn't meet their needs at all.

Keep looking. Also remember that a dynamic and play between two people shouldn't be judged straight away by what you see on their profile. Many people are extremely flexible, and happy to play to a sub's limits. Just be open and honest, free to talk, and don't get discouraged when you see someone likes something you don't. Just because they like something you don't, doesn't mean they need it.

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 12:05:46 AM   
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I don't like pain (at all.) I don't like humiliation or degradation, or basically anything that feels "mean" to me. I am much more into the sensual aspects of things. My Master is the same, more than happy to stay away from things involving sadism/masochism.

We like bondage, we like D/s a lot, owner/pet, and it is all done in a very loving and affectionate context, which for us does not include sadism/masochism.

So yes, what you like is definitely out there! But as was said people who are into the more extreme end of the spectrum tend to gravitate to sites like this one, so the number of people into the "extremes" on this website is a bit skewed given the sample you're taking from. Don't despair or lose hope! What you want IS out there. :)

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 1:13:05 AM   
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Thanks for the replies. Yes I am seeking a committed relationship, I am not into hookup culture or FWB or even regular play partners. I am heartened to hear that I am not alone and that there are in fact existing D/s relationships in existence that are similar to the one I envision for myself. I will just keep looking and keep the faith that I will find the right dominant for me.

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 1:44:20 AM   
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Truthfully, I think that most people who are thinking with the big head come across the same problem as you. There seem to be so many kinky folks out there, but only a tiny percentage closely fit what you are looking for. That's actually a good thing - some folks come on here giddy with excitement and email every dominant within a hundred-mile radius because they've put no thought into relationship compatibility and are just chasing a warm body to act out their fantasy. You clearly have put lots of thought into what you need and what you can offer. So of course, your pool is much smaller, but you're much more likely to find a good match.



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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 3:00:02 AM   
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Thank you AthenaSurrenders, it is good to hear that I the message I am sending out is the one I actually mean to send out. I took a deep personal inventory before deciding to initiate this search. I think throughout that process I always knew that there was going to me a 'mainstream' of dominants who aligned more with sadism than I do with masochism. I am encouraged though that I am apparently speaking in coherent terms about an idea that is not so far off the beaten(pun) path as to make the search a mere fantasy. I am a patient man, with plenty of time on my hands, and I am prepared to wait as long as necessary. I am very open minded about how this relationship might develop as well. It very well may be a online thing that could go on for some time before a real life meeting. Whatever it takes for us both to feel comfortable and enthusiastic about meeting.

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 4:44:53 AM   
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There are lifestyle dommes.

The non-lifestyle dommes, imho, tend to advertise the more extreme edges of BDSM, because that is where the market is.

Be patient, get out into your local community if you are able and remain true to yourself and what you are seeking.

I too, am not a masochist, and [my] Master is not much of a sadist.

So it really is possible to find what you seek, if you can be patient, which you seem willing and able to be.

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 5:16:35 AM   
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Thank you angelikaJ,

I have made it out to a couple of the nearest munches in the past couple of months. They are about an hour away. I just moved to this area at the beginning of this year. So I am working on local networking. Though most of the people at the munches are already partnered or are only looking for one off play partners/scenes and that just is not my style. Still it has been nice to make new friends. I am again encouraged by your reply. I am not the kind of person to spam out messages to every dominant within a given radius of my zip code either. I'd rather not gain a reputation for being an annoyance. I think it is a far better process to be participating in forums, work on my journal entries, refine my profile and continue to make myself an attractive submissive. Heck, even in the short couple of days I've been on this site I have already had to deal with some rather unsavory messages including scams and people who made it abundantly clear that they were not legitimately interested in me, just wanted me to add them on skype or yahoo chat, I assume their thinking was that they would be able to manipulate me once they got me there. I don't know. The gift of fear was hard a work for that first few hours though.

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 5:18:13 PM   
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I have not read all of the other responses. I happen to have a sensual Dom. Some prople thinK that makes him not a true Dom but that is 100% NOT true. We knew early in in out relationship that he was not a sadist and i was not a pain slut. Sure i enjoy a goos spanking now and again and he enjoys givingr them. Master does not ant to hurt his girl. He gets his own pleasure but part of it comes from pleasuring me. If it makes mr happy it i all good by me and to me that is what make him a sensual Dom and he agrees.

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 5:28:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

There are lifestyle dommes.

The non-lifestyle dommes, imho, tend to advertise the more extreme edges of BDSM, because that is where the market is.

Be patient, get out into your local community if you are able and remain true to yourself and what you are seeking.

I too, am not a masochist, and [my] Master is not much of a sadist.

So it really is possible to find what you seek, if you can be patient, which you seem willing and able to be.



I dunno about that, LP is a sadist, I'm a sadist, though we both state very clearly we aren't looking, I'm happy with the 2 guys who's masochistic itch I scratch and they scratch my sadistic one, none of them would ever dream to get in between me and my partner (with one he's actually pretty good friends as they are both rugby fans), it's pretty non sexual, while I'm genuinely fond of them and friends outside of play, there is no romance and no sex involved. Again, it takes all sorts, and I would certainly hope that if one of the guys ever feels down and needs just a friend to talk, they would consider me as one of the first people to call. There is an emotional bond there, it's just a different expression of sympathy...

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 5:56:11 PM   
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OP, I think you created a really good thread here.

From My perspective, your terminology would be correct. "Sensual sadist" is the the term that a lot of people take on to express that they aren't into inflicting heavy pain in an S/m sense. You might also look for the term "fluffy top". A fluffy top is someone who is only interested in inflicting the amount of pain that the bottom/submissive enjoys.

While not always correct, I'd also advise you to folks who are not new to BDSM and using the label "sensual sadist". Lots of sadists start out in the shallow end of the pool and grow into "more" on the pain scale. Somebody like FieryOpal who, I believe, has been a sensual sadist for some time, and knows that she is happy exactly where she is in her own S/m type world, and expects to be quite content with her own personal level, is less likely to want to amp it up a notch as time goes by.

The reason that I say this is because a number of sadists, Myself included, do go through that "sensual sadist" and/or "fluffy top" period. It's how some of us experience growth. While some are perfectly content with their play in that way, others of us will become more extreme over time, and we just don't really know it yet. These days, I conduct scenes that the former Me would have walked out of a play space if I had been a witness to them.

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
There are lifestyle dommes.

The non-lifestyle dommes, imho, tend to advertise the more extreme edges of BDSM, because that is where the market is.

I'm a lifestyle Domme. When it comes to the pro/non-pro arena, this isn't the factor. I'm not the baddest chick out there, but I rank pretty decently on the scale. I'm not advertising. I just really enjoy doing what I do.


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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 6:05:28 PM   
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I'm with you, the kind of play I find pretty cool and enjoy now, 15 years ago, it would have had me running for the hills. I started out as somebody who felt queasy at the sight of blood... Mind you, it had a pretty good side effect, I think I learned everything there is about leaving marks and how to not leave marks, some military friends told me that I'd do pretty well when it comes to interrogations where the victims can't afford to be bruised or marked in any way... I'm not quite ready to join the mob or an official organization, I prefer willing victims...

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 6:53:26 PM   
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quote:

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I prefer willing victims...



Oh you just haven't been introduced to the awesomeness that is an unwilling victim! Evil Sadist PG4G emerges.

That being said, I think "non-exteme people", including Subbibear, need to remember that a sadistic person may only want to play to their partner's needs.

I'm extremely sadistic. Love hurting people when they're hating it with anger in their eyes, truly fighting against me in fury. But I'd never do that unless my partner was interested in being pushed like that. And mine isn't. He hates pain. So I'd never hurt him at all, and I'd never be interested in it. I'm only interested in playing to my partner's needs, and that's all I need to be happy. Now when I top, it's targeted at him losing control and letting me lead him in enjoying himself. And that's even tamer than Subbibear referred to.

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 7:01:50 PM   
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The unwilling victim just doesn't float my boat, I like it clear cut, of course there is nothing wrong with other ways of playing, be it milder or more extreme, as long as it floats the boat of all the parties involved.

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 7:08:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

The unwilling victim just doesn't float my boat, I like it clear cut, of course there is nothing wrong with other ways of playing, be it milder or more extreme, as long as it floats the boat of all the parties involved.



Of course. I thought I chucked a wink in there! I was kidding!

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 8:37:34 PM   
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Fetlife has a huge group devoted to Sensual Players.

With that said, I think most of us are actually less than edge players. You don't hear a lot about it because the scene reports are boring.

It's a lot more fun to listen to Lady Pact talk about needle play or look at her pics than it would be to hear about me getting tied up and seeing a picture of my toes all tied. It's the difference among foodies from talking about Beef Wellington and mac & cheese. I'd bet there's a lot more people eating mac & cheese on any given night than those eating beef wellington or lobster thermador, but it's boring to see a picture of mac & cheese or read yet another recipe where the only difference is if you add a pinch of nutmeg or not.

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 9:08:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Fetlife has a huge group devoted to Sensual Players.

With that said, I think most of us are actually less than edge players.
<snip>

Dang it, that's tempting to hear, as much as I abhor social networking media. I'm still trying to figure out why total strangers on YouTube/Google+ add me to their circles.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

From My perspective, your terminology would be correct. "Sensual sadist" is the the term that a lot of people take on to express that they aren't into inflicting heavy pain in an S/m sense. You might also look for the term "fluffy top". A fluffy top is someone who is only interested in inflicting the amount of pain that the bottom/submissive enjoys.

While not always correct, I'd also advise you to folks who are not new to BDSM and using the label "sensual sadist". Lots of sadists start out in the shallow end of the pool and grow into "more" on the pain scale. Somebody like FieryOpal who, I believe, has been a sensual sadist for some time, and knows that she is happy exactly where she is in her own S/m type world, and expects to be quite content with her own personal level, is less likely to want to amp it up a notch as time goes by.

The reason that I say this is because a number of sadists, Myself included, do go through that "sensual sadist" and/or "fluffy top" period. It's how some of us experience growth....


Do you know something about me that I don't know? A blind spot of mine, perhaps?
'Fluffy Top' sounds fine to me. Should I start calling myself a "Fluffy Domina," I wonder....

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/4/2014 9:13:45 PM   
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I'm not a submissive either but I'll add, even if only to elucidate the topic further or maybe just reiterate what some have already said in another way, specifically on the following two points.


"My point is that I have come to find this label that I think applies to what it is that I do, sensual BDSM."

"Do any of you have ideas about what sensual BDSM means or doesn't mean?"


A few thing to keep in mind, "sensual" is a mixed bag generic term. Some people use "sensual" when they mean sexual while others use it correctly mean what "sensual-play" actually is, aka sensory play; which includes pain is a part of. Others use it to imply they're not into pain at all, physical or emotional and prefer body or intimate worship and other sensory stimulations to painful ones. And technically "sadism" isn't dependent on whether the other person enjoys it or not; in the lifestyle context one would hope their partners do. It simply means - deriving pleasure, often sexual gratification, from inflicting pain or suffering on others. That's irrespective of how they feel about it, but I dare say most of the sensible one's enjoy it far more when our partners do too, unless we're using pain as correction or a tool to another end. The reality is we're not living in the age of de Sade, from whom the term sadism was derived for, who wouldn't be accepted in the lifestyle today anyway because he wasn't at all SSC or RACK. He just got off on torturing others, often against their will, whether they liked it, consented, or not. So yes there's trend for lifestylers to label themselves "Sensual Sadist", I've even used it, when they're/we're expressing we're into the milder aspects of sadism, or sadomasochism. Nevertheless, there's always been and will probably always be a lot of discussion about "Sensual vs. Sadistic" domination styles but I've never seen then as two completely divergent camps just different focuses; what I've found amongst my peerage over the years is most fall in the "mixed" category; I certainly do.

How sadistic or "sensual" I am depends on my mood, the person I'm with, and the context of the dynamic or scene. If I don't have an emotionally intimate relationship with a submissive, then I'm not probably not going to have a sensual one, certainly not in the sexual sense, nor be invested in other type of sensory play that are time consuming and very intimate and will use sadism first. However I find inflicting pain or engaging fear also very sensual, literally arousing to all my senses so... But what I mean is, unless we're in a committed D/s dynamic the scene/play will stay more in the arena of sadism. All of this is very subjective when it comes to sensual vs. sadism, it's as subjective as what one find humiliating pleasurable others find degrading. If you ask a true masochist, which one of besties is, to define Sadomasochism, i.e the pleasure in pain and suffering she'd say, "Sadomasochism is the art of pain and the ultimate in intimate power-exchange irrespective of D/s." And I personally find blood-play very sensual but it always includes me inflicting pain, at least mildly, usually on both of us to do this type of fluid bonding.

I maybe off the mark, but what I think you're implying is that you don't like Dominants who use sadism as tool, nor those into who identify as Sadist as a primary fetish? There are Dominants who are very sadistic who use pain as a instrument to make someone more pliable and compliant as form of operative conditioning, just like traditional torture methods. Some merely as a form of sensory play. While others ID as Sadists first because sadomasochism if their primary fetish. And then there's those of us who lie in all the grays and use a mixture of many things to fit the circumstance, mood, scene, or situation. After all BDSM is B/D (bondage and discipline), D/s (domination and submission), S/m (sadomasochism) and the umbrella term for all the other kinks and fetishes too; so it really is about finding who aligns with your interest the best or at least tolerably so.

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RE: Sensual BDSM and D/s Relationship Dynamics - 3/5/2014 12:10:13 AM   
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First, thanks again everyone for more great input to this discussion.

I maybe off the mark, but what I think you're implying is that you don't like Dominants who use sadism as tool, nor those into who identify as Sadist as a primary fetish? There are Dominants who are very sadistic who use pain as a instrument to make someone more pliable and compliant as form of operative conditioning, just like traditional torture methods. Some merely as a form of sensory play. While others ID as Sadists first because sadomasochism if their primary fetish. And then there's those of us who lie in all the grays and use a mixture of many things to fit the circumstance, mood, scene, or situation.

I think you are very close to the mark here. It isn't so much that I do or don't like Dominants for their identifications, kinks or play styles. Rather it is more about me finding the appropriate language to communicate my needs effectively as I go through the process of seeking out a life partner and coming to understand of myself. I think you are very near the mark if not on target with the idea that Dominants who prefer use sadism as a tool, for operative conditioning like traditional torture methods, or as a method to make submissives more pliable and compliant, are likely not compatible with my needs.










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