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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 1:30:17 PM

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The left sure do love their catchphrases. Define "a living wage", is it $20 an hour, $50 an hour, $Eleventy billion dollars an hour?
Why the fuck should anyone pay a non skilled floor sweeper a "living wage"?
What gives a non skilled worker the right to a high wage?
Whats wrong with starting at the bottom and working your way up?
Whats wrong with educating yourself, gaining skills and improving your earning potential?

It's ~~too~~ hard.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 1:38:26 PM

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asswipe.

I want to drive a caddillac just like you. (I actually have one, so....)
I want to be able to buy hamburger without having to put off the light bill.
I want to have a cottage at the lake, just like you do. (or dacha for you freemarketers)
I want you dumbasses to understand that at $1.25 an hour my father raised four kids, bought a home, a car, a tv, and actually took small vacations, and when he went union he got a dollar raise he put carpet in the house, so 'momma' (who didnt work but raised the family) wouldnt have cold tootsies. Upon that carpet my father in trying it out helped 'momma' create richard my little brother.

now. for the actual dipshits........
if gas is $3.25 a gallon, a car without blinking $1000. how the fuck you gonna eat at $7.25?

You nutsackers got questions, why aint you got answers?

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 1:39:18 PM

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The left sure do love their catchphrases. Define "a living wage", is it $20 an hour, $50 an hour, $Eleventy billion dollars an hour?
Why the fuck should anyone pay a non skilled floor sweeper a "living wage"?
What gives a non skilled worker the right to a high wage?
Whats wrong with starting at the bottom and working your way up?
Whats wrong with educating yourself, gaining skills and improving your earning potential?

I'm not quite sure I can agree with all of this.

I can't help but believing that a "floor sweeper" deserves to be able to pay their bills.

Quite honestly, I think it's a bit cold to suggest otherwise.

I am in the: "Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too" camp but I believe that just because a person wasn't born with the ability to go to college and graduate cum laude or even frame a house and make $50,000 a year, doesn't mean that they don't deserve to live above the poverty line (which is an arbitrary joke, anyway).

Believe me, the fact that Obummercare has helped to completely trash full-time employment in this country hasn't gone beyond my notice but it's not the only factor.

This country has been bleeding jobs for 20 years or better. Companies don't need to pay a competitive wage ( a phrase I like better) because with 10,000 people all scrambling after the same $5.35 per hour job, the companies never have to worry about people saying: "Nah. I think I'll go with ZYX Corp. They pay better."

Talk about an anti-trust suit, waiting to happen for the right barra ... ummm ... lawyer.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 2:20:33 PM

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The left sure do love their catchphrases. Define "a living wage", is it $20 an hour, $50 an hour, $Eleventy billion dollars an hour?
Why the fuck should anyone pay a non skilled floor sweeper a "living wage"?
What gives a non skilled worker the right to a high wage?
Whats wrong with starting at the bottom and working your way up?
Whats wrong with educating yourself, gaining skills and improving your earning potential?

I'm not quite sure I can agree with all of this.
I can't help but believing that a "floor sweeper" deserves to be able to pay their bills.
Quite honestly, I think it's a bit cold to suggest otherwise.
I am in the: "Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too" camp but I believe that just because a person wasn't born with the ability to go to college and graduate cum laude or even frame a house and make $50,000 a year, doesn't mean that they don't deserve to live above the poverty line (which is an arbitrary joke, anyway).
Believe me, the fact that Obummercare has helped to completely trash full-time employment in this country hasn't gone beyond my notice but it's not the only factor.
This country has been bleeding jobs for 20 years or better. Companies don't need to pay a competitive wage ( a phrase I like better) because with 10,000 people all scrambling after the same $5.35 per hour job, the companies never have to worry about people saying: "Nah. I think I'll go with ZYX Corp. They pay better."
Talk about an anti-trust suit, waiting to happen for the right barra ... ummm ... lawyer.

Here's a question, though: What "bills" is that minimum wage worker allowed to have? Does he deserve to make enough to pay his bills if he chooses to have cable/satellite TV, one (or more) cell phones, new (or newer) vehicles, the latest rage clothes, etc.?

Before I get blasted, I'm not saying that all minimum wage workers live high on the hog, racking up bills, but when you use subjective reasoning to define things, you end up not really defining anything.

That same "subjective" reasoning comes into question when you use the phrase, "competitive wage," too. What is "competitive?" Competitive wages are those wages that have to be paid to get the workers with the skills you need for the position you are filling. As a purposely ridiculous hypothetical meant for demonstration purposes only, if you need a secretary that can type 40 wpm, you will have to compensate at least as well as the next guy that has that same secretarial need. If that's $80/hr. or $8/hr., that is the competitive wage. If you can't find anyone with 40 wpm typing skills willing to work for what you're offering, you aren't offering a competitive wage. If you can find someone, then, you are offering a competitive wage.

If someone is willing to work for $X, then $X is a competitive wage, regardless of what $X is.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 3:06:28 PM

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Hey, that is now the stupidest shit on the internet.
We as good americans expect that american consumers should get the most expensive TV plan available to american cus nutsackers say that it helps america.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 5:18:15 PM

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Whats wrong with starting at the bottom and working your way up?
Whats wrong with educating yourself, gaining skills and improving your earning potential?

Not a damn thing.

What's right with the wealthy paying an effective tax rate of 15% while the 99% pay 29%?

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 5:36:50 PM

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That same "subjective" reasoning comes into question when you use the phrase, "competitive wage," too. What is "competitive?" Competitive wages are those wages that have to be paid to get the workers with the skills you need for the position you are filling. As a purposely ridiculous hypothetical meant for demonstration purposes only, if you need a secretary that can type 40 wpm, you will have to compensate at least as well as the next guy that has that same secretarial need. If that's $80/hr. or $8/hr., that is the competitive wage. If you can't find anyone with 40 wpm typing skills willing to work for what you're offering, you aren't offering a competitive wage. If you can find someone, then, you are offering a competitive wage.

If someone is willing to work for $X, then $X is a competitive wage, regardless of what $X is.

But that's my point, DS; companies don't compete . They don't have to pay the extra .50 ¢ to an otherwise "minimum wage" employee.

I don't really worry about the rich. They're doing fine.

I'd worry about the middle class, if we still had one.

What about the guy that makes $7.50 an hour at the WallyWorld who (I think) does deserve basic cable (because the cable companies have been interfering with TV signals for years); who does deserve to at least be able to have ground meat twice a week (I'm sure the USDA says that's about right).

I understand the debate about minimum wage but where did we turn into a society where people don't deserve what a good portion would consider to be basic "necessities". Yes, I know no one's dying without cable but, for some, it might enhance their downtime. Downtime is important to everyone; possibly more so for people who live under the stress of a paycheck-to-paycheck existence.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 5:46:15 PM

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and..............horror of horrors, whatever, the witching hour...I agree with you in this particular thing DaddySaytr. Furthermore, I think you expressed it well.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 5:50:05 PM

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I can't help but believing that a "floor sweeper" deserves to be able to pay their bills.

Quite honestly, I think it's a bit cold to suggest otherwise.

I am in the: "Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too" camp but I believe that just because a person wasn't born with the ability to go to college and graduate cum laude or even frame a house and make $50,000 a year, doesn't mean that they don't deserve to live above the poverty line (which is an arbitrary joke, anyway).

This country has been bleeding jobs for 20 years or better. Companies don't need to pay a competitive wage ( a phrase I like better) because with 10,000 people all scrambling after the same $5.35 per hour job, the companies never have to worry about people saying: "Nah. I think I'll go with ZYX Corp. They pay better."

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What about the guy that makes $7.50 an hour at the WallyWorld who (I think) does deserve basic cable (because the cable companies have been interfering with TV signals for years); who does deserve to at least be able to have ground meat twice a week (I'm sure the USDA says that's about right).

I understand the debate about minimum wage but where did we turn into a society where people don't deserve what a good portion would consider to be basic "necessities". Yes, I know no one's dying without cable but, for some, it might enhance their downtime. Downtime is important to everyone; possibly more so for people who live under the stress of a paycheck-to-paycheck existence.

To add to Rons agreement, I agree with all of these points

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 5:56:00 PM

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Everything is working perfectly when the richest 85 people in the world are worth as much as the poorest 3.5 Billion people. And everything is just fine when 95% of all income growth over the last 5 years went to the US's richest 1%...it's a wonderful life.

yeah funny how that message got lost

.....course you know I am being very sarcastic. Those numbers show how we are now much worse than Rome back in the day. With Rome it was at least...5% not 1%. I've heard that the richest .1% yes, one tenth of 1 percent in the US is as rich as the bottom 50%.

It is our tax code, paper traders and the corporate fiduciary that all of our founding fathers warned us against even up to Lincoln who also knew. Without labor...you have no capital.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 6:03:53 PM

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Jesse Ventura must have gotten lost in the shuffle.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 6:04:47 PM

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The left sure do love their catchphrases. Define "a living wage", is it $20 an hour, $50 an hour, $Eleventy billion dollars an hour?

Why the fuck should anyone pay a non skilled floor sweeper a "living wage"?
What gives a non skilled worker the right to a high wage?
Whats wrong with starting at the bottom and working your way up?
Whats wrong with educating yourself, gaining skills and improving your earning potential?

Easy, $15/hr for a single and about $10/hr each for a two-earner family and that still doesn't provide for kids, any savings for kids or college or prevent medical bankruptcy even with health insurance...IF they even afford med. insurance.

Like I said, ask the NBA financial consultants and they need more than $10 mill. a yr to feed their family...that's the American culture.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 6:08:23 PM

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Everything is working perfectly when the richest 85 people in the world are worth as much as the poorest 3.5 Billion people. And everything is just fine when 95% of all income growth over the last 5 years went to the US's richest 1%...it's a wonderful life.

yeah funny how that message got lost

.....course you know I am being very sarcastic. Those numbers show how we are now much worse than Rome back in the day. With Rome it was at least...5% not 1%. I've heard that the richest .1% yes, one tenth of 1 percent in the US is as rich as the bottom 50%.

It is our tax code, paper traders and the corporate fiduciary that all of our founding fathers warned us against even up to Lincoln who also knew. Without labor...you have no capital.

Of course I do:) and its bloody despicable,

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 6:11:21 PM

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Watch Jesse Ventura slap the 1% here.

Though I don't agree with Mr. Ventura that politics is the answer, and still believe that the problem is systemic... I do admire his raw honesty and total disregard for what people may think of him. In my opinion, what you see with this man is what you'll get.

Politics is the problem in the form of politicians. It is they who write the tax code with immorality not a concern. It is govt. and the political appointees who run the institutions that continue to fuck over the little guy. Ask the small farmer for one...big example.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 6:52:56 PM

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Then why does he vote Republican? Can you explain that to me?

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 6:58:28 PM

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Then why does he vote Republican? Can you explain that to me?

It's a gut feel but, I'm going to go with....because he's a Republican.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 6:59:27 PM

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Then why does he vote Republican? Can you explain that to me?

Once again, the attempt at mind reading. I don't "vote republican". I vote my conscience and sometimes it turns out to be one of the idiots from the big two but, for the most part, you'll find me supporting Libertarians. Thanks for playing, though.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 7:00:26 PM

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Then why does he vote Republican? Can you explain that to me?

It's a gut feel but, I'm going to go with....because he's a Republican.

I'm a Libertarian (photos of my voter registration card upon request)

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 7:03:32 PM

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Whats wrong with starting at the bottom and working your way up?
Whats wrong with educating yourself, gaining skills and improving your earning potential?

Not a damn thing.

What's right with the wealthy paying an effective tax rate of 15% while the 99% pay 29%?

54% of the population pays no federal income tax.

Might want to rework those numbers.

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RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard - 3/5/2014 7:05:34 PM

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Then why does he vote Republican? Can you explain that to me?

Once again, the attempt at mind reading. I don't "vote republican". I vote my conscience and sometimes it turns out to be one of the idiots from the big two but, for the most part, you'll find me supporting Libertarians. Thanks for playing, though.

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