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LadyConstanze -> Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 5:51:08 PM)
Not sure if this is the right place, if not I trust the mods to move it... Since scientists (as in plural) have found (which would include peer reviewed research) that homosexuality happens in almost every species, I think it's fair to draw the conclusion that sexuality (which would include homosexuality) is a primal instinct. My personal view is that while this particular primal instinct was meant for survival of a species, it doesn't seem to distinguish between the sex drive between heteros and the desire to create babies (which seems, if I may put it bluntly not the reason why most people fuck, unless they are members of some religious group that frowns on sex for other purposes than procreation). While I do believe that most people have more control over their sex drive than over other primal instincts (such as having to eat and sleep), the need for sex still seems to be ingrained in every species and every sexual orientation. Would that mean that we can discount science and claim that sexuality is not a primal instinct?

jlf1961 -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 5:53:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Not sure if this is the right place, if not I trust the mods to move it... Since scientists (as in plural) have found (which would include peer reviewed research) that homosexuality happens in almost every species, I think it's fair to draw the conclusion that sexuality (which would include homosexuality) is a primal instinct. My personal view is that while this particular primal instinct was meant for survival of a species, it doesn't seem to distinguish between the sex drive between heteros and the desire to create babies (which seems, if I may put it bluntly not the reason why most people fuck, unless they are members of some religious group that frowns on sex for other purposes than procreation). While I do believe that most people have more control over their sex drive than over other primal instincts (such as having to eat and sleep), the need for sex still seems to be ingrained in every species and every sexual orientation. Would that mean that we can discount science and claim that sexuality is not a primal instinct? You do understand by stating the truth, the ultra conservative religious nuts will hunt you down and torture you as a heretic, right?

LadyConstanze -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 5:55:25 PM)
Well I'm red haired anyway, so they can declare it as a witch burning, and Michelle Bachmann can talk about when she fooled around with spells...

jlf1961 -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 6:08:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Well I'm red haired anyway, so they can declare it as a witch burning, and Michelle Bachmann can talk about when she fooled around with spells... It wasnt her messing with witch craft, it was that flake from New Jersey. Christine or something. What I find as funny is that I was in an anthropology class in college, and there was a fundie Christian in the class, she argued the homosexuality thing for an entire class period.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 6:15:44 PM)
Did you catch the nutcase that ran for office somewhere, who said that homosexuality is linked to high abortions? You'd think abortions is the last thing gays or lesbians have to worry about, or I didn't really understand basic biology

LadyConstanze -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 6:29:14 PM)
It's not relevant for a discussion about science, as anecdotal personal experiences don't have a place in scientific research, but I noticed (which links into Peon's thread about women and sex) that I can go through periods without sex, as work commitments tend to frequently separate me from the other half, I then tend to put the sex drive on hibernation, however if we're in the same house and especially the same bed, the bets for that are off... (luckily he never screamed rape, unless I misunderstood groans and grunts). It's definitely not for procreation because a bunch of years ago the big C took care of one ovary and both tubes, so apart from going to hell for enjoying a good, kinky fuck (though I have to admit sometimes we're both lazy and it's just a regular one, which is also quite enjoyable), I might actually burn twice for not procreating, or since it's supposed to be only for procreation, I should actually have lost all my sex drive, and he should have too as he knows it's not for the sake of making babies (thank fuck that didn't sink in)....

BiMistressMia -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 6:46:23 PM)
It's crazy but true... quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Not sure if this is the right place, if not I trust the mods to move it... Since scientists (as in plural) have found (which would include peer reviewed research) that homosexuality happens in almost every species, I think it's fair to draw the conclusion that sexuality (which would include homosexuality) is a primal instinct. My personal view is that while this particular primal instinct was meant for survival of a species, it doesn't seem to distinguish between the sex drive between heteros and the desire to create babies (which seems, if I may put it bluntly not the reason why most people fuck, unless they are members of some religious group that frowns on sex for other purposes than procreation). While I do believe that most people have more control over their sex drive than over other primal instincts (such as having to eat and sleep), the need for sex still seems to be ingrained in every species and every sexual orientation. Would that mean that we can discount science and claim that sexuality is not a primal instinct? You do understand by stating the truth, the ultra conservative religious nuts will hunt you down and torture you as a heretic, right?

Missokyst -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 7:48:50 PM)
LMAO... damn it why do I read these things? quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Did you catch the nutcase that ran for office somewhere, who said that homosexuality is linked to high abortions? You'd think abortions is the last thing gays or lesbians have to worry about, or I didn't really understand basic biology

FelineRanger -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 8:11:37 PM)
Discounting science is exactly what the control freaks in charge or religion want us to do. The closest relatives to Homo Sapiens in the primate family are the common chimpanzee and the bonobo. Notice that the mating habits of our closest cousins in nature are described as "promiscuous" and "[in]discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age, with the possible exception of abstaining from sexual activity between mothers and their adult sons." So what makes the almighty human being think that it is so different from its closest cousins?

littlewonder -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 8:16:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelineRanger Discounting science is exactly what the control freaks in charge or religion want us to do. The closest relatives to Homo Sapiens in the primate family are the common chimpanzee and the bonobo. Notice that the mating habits of our closest cousins in nature are described as "promiscuous" and "[in]discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age, with the possible exception of abstaining from sexual activity between mothers and their adult sons." So what makes the almighty human being think that it is so different from its closest cousins? Because we are? Evolution

FelineRanger -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 8:39:40 PM)
One of the implications of discovering homosexual behavior in other species is that animals sometimes have sex for no reason other than pleasure. Only humans created the myth that sex is a gift from a distant deity who veers wildly between temper tantrums and total absenteeism.

Blonderfluff -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 8:43:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelineRanger Discounting science is exactly what the control freaks in charge or religion want us to do. The closest relatives to Homo Sapiens in the primate family are the common chimpanzee and the bonobo. Notice that the mating habits of our closest cousins in nature are described as "promiscuous" and "[in]discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age, with the possible exception of abstaining from sexual activity between mothers and their adult sons." So what makes the almighty human being think that it is so different from its closest cousins? I think many of our "closest cousins" have profiles on the other side.

shiftyw -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/6/2014 8:58:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff quote: ORIGINAL: FelineRanger Discounting science is exactly what the control freaks in charge or religion want us to do. The closest relatives to Homo Sapiens in the primate family are the common chimpanzee and the bonobo. Notice that the mating habits of our closest cousins in nature are described as "promiscuous" and "[in]discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age, with the possible exception of abstaining from sexual activity between mothers and their adult sons." So what makes the almighty human being think that it is so different from its closest cousins? I think many of our "closest cousins" have profiles on the other side. [sm=biggrin.gif]

LadyConstanze -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/7/2014 1:57:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff quote: ORIGINAL: FelineRanger Discounting science is exactly what the control freaks in charge or religion want us to do. The closest relatives to Homo Sapiens in the primate family are the common chimpanzee and the bonobo. Notice that the mating habits of our closest cousins in nature are described as "promiscuous" and "[in]discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age, with the possible exception of abstaining from sexual activity between mothers and their adult sons." So what makes the almighty human being think that it is so different from its closest cousins? I think many of our "closest cousins" have profiles on the other side. You aren't nice, those Bobobos would be mortally insulted...

LadyConstanze -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/7/2014 2:06:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelineRanger Discounting science is exactly what the control freaks in charge or religion want us to do. The closest relatives to Homo Sapiens in the primate family are the common chimpanzee and the bonobo. Notice that the mating habits of our closest cousins in nature are described as "promiscuous" and "[in]discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age, with the possible exception of abstaining from sexual activity between mothers and their adult sons." So what makes the almighty human being think that it is so different from its closest cousins? I don't think you need to narrow it down that much, basically homosexuality has been discovered in almost every species, even bugs, in some animals the drive to have sex can be so strong that they forget about everything else, I don't know if it goes for all breeds of deer, but when it comes to rutting season, some male deer will not eat, they'll fight and have sex, which would indicate that sex is a stronger drive than their own survival...

DaddySatyr -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/7/2014 2:45:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelineRanger Discounting science is exactly what the control freaks in charge or religion want us to do. The closest relatives to Homo Sapiens in the primate family are the common chimpanzee and the bonobo. Notice that the mating habits of our closest cousins in nature are described as "promiscuous" and "[in]discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age, with the possible exception of abstaining from sexual activity between mothers and their adult sons." So what makes the almighty human being think that it is so different from its closest cousins? This post seems to suggest that monogamy is not the majority of sexual behavior in "our closest cousins". Hmmmm ... I never thought of that.

AlexisANew -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/7/2014 4:47:54 AM)
Some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom. Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates. Wild birds exhibit similar behavior. There are male ostriches that only court their own gender, and pairs of male flamingos that mate, build nests, and even raise foster chicks. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html Gotta love it!!

theshytype -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/7/2014 4:51:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Not sure if this is the right place, if not I trust the mods to move it... Since scientists (as in plural) have found (which would include peer reviewed research) that homosexuality happens in almost every species, I think it's fair to draw the conclusion that sexuality (which would include homosexuality) is a primal instinct. My personal view is that while this particular primal instinct was meant for survival of a species, it doesn't seem to distinguish between the sex drive between heteros and the desire to create babies (which seems, if I may put it bluntly not the reason why most people fuck, unless they are members of some religious group that frowns on sex for other purposes than procreation). While I do believe that most people have more control over their sex drive than over other primal instincts (such as having to eat and sleep), the need for sex still seems to be ingrained in every species and every sexual orientation. Would that mean that we can discount science and claim that sexuality is not a primal instinct? My view as well. Sexual instincts are primal. I do believe they were created with procreation in mind. While I've had sexual desires as far back as I can remember, and I'm only 34 so I can't say what I'll be like in the future, there was definitely a spike in desires when child-bearing years came. The "biological clock". However, much like everything else on this planet, it's not perfect. It's almost as if Mother Nature took the easy way out, realizing it's easier to create urges and tingly feelings than it is to control thoughts. I believe procreation is furthest from the minds of most. I'm quite happy about this "flaw".

LadyConstanze -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/7/2014 5:10:07 AM)
I agree, the sexual urge is primal, but it isn't quite that flawed from mother nature, for example if the chips fall so that an animal or human is homosexual, then they can't really pass that trait on by breeding, so in mother nature's eyes, this is possibly taking care of the problem and it's a minor glitch, just like sometimes animals have an odd colour, if the colour doesn't work for survival, that colour mutation would die out in nature, but it might re-occurr again and again down the line. I think nature doesn't really fine tune, it's more trial and error...

theshytype -> RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality (3/7/2014 6:08:32 AM)
I still view it as a flaw, an original unintended one. Something that wasn't intended but works so no reason to change it. Sort of accepting the flaw and taking the "bad" with the good. So no, it's not really a flaw now. I consider this primal urge and Homosexuality to be unrelated. The "flaw" I'm referring to is one where we just want to have sex because it's pleasurable, not for making babies. The urge to hump something isn't telling us what to hump. Something else is. But, is a good example behind the urges being primal. Homosexuality hasn't had an effect on any species' survival, that I'm aware of, so this primal urge still works. No need to change anything. I agree nature usually finds a way to tweak and breed out threats to a species' survival and since homosexuality hasn't threatened population, no need to tweak. I'm also coming from the opinion that the present human is largely flawed so much so that nature has been trying to eradicate, or at the very least reduce the population, for years. Unfortunately, it seems, we're worse than cockroaches. To be honest, I'm not a strong believer in mother nature wanting to tweak anything in humans except, perhaps, dumb them down a bit or removing the sexual urges.

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