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RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality - 3/7/2014 6:28:33 AM

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From my reading I've learned some very interesting genetic things about homosexuality in humans.

Here's a great article:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26089486

As for your questions, we're mammals, so of course sexuality is a primal instinct.

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RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality - 3/7/2014 11:15:19 AM

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Discounting science is exactly what the control freaks in charge or religion want us to do. The closest relatives to Homo Sapiens in the primate family are the common chimpanzee and the bonobo. Notice that the mating habits of our closest cousins in nature are described as "promiscuous" and "[in]discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age, with the possible exception of abstaining from sexual activity between mothers and their adult sons." So what makes the almighty human being think that it is so different from its closest cousins?

I think many of our "closest cousins" have profiles on the other side.

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RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality - 3/7/2014 11:17:33 AM

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Some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom.

Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.

Wild birds exhibit similar behavior. There are male ostriches that only court their own gender, and pairs of male flamingos that mate, build nests, and even raise foster chicks.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

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As I was reading the OP, I was wondering if exhibiting homosexual behavior was merely sexual. The above implies that they can life bond as well. Interesting!

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RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality - 3/7/2014 1:17:32 PM

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I don't know if are primal sexual drive has anything to do with reproduction at all
Reproduction is dangerous as hell on a primal level,and is counter to almost all our other primal instincts.
once the bun is in the oven,other instincts kick in

maybe we're looking at it the wrong way
nature tricked us,by giving us a sexual drive we are hardwired to want sex and reproduction is just a symptom

take a look at bunnies,we all know they reproduce,but bunnies will abandon their kin at the slightest sign of trouble.

nature made them the way they are so they can live to reproduce another day,but it's the last thing on their mind,they just want humpy jumpy time.the nurturing of their young is an additional instinct,separate in their brain and probably in ours too

even heterosexual young men aren't thinking"oh yeah,I wanna reproduce with her",instead,they're thinking"I wanna have sex with her",they just forget the rubber and there you go

as far as sexuality,i've read up on the whole homosexuality is a passed down trait thing,and there's some truth and untruths to it.I forget the exact study,and wont bother looking it up,but a study taken of twins(where one was homosexual)found that the heterosexual twin was often alot more promiscuous then their piers,and alot less discerning bout sexual partners.Genetic predisposition to homosexuality might just be related to a promiscuity gene.
There's also alot to say bout the environment of an individual growing up and how their sexuality develops(homo and hetro).They might be primal urges,but our own experienced might reprogram ourselves a bit.

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RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality - 3/7/2014 1:24:04 PM

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Human sexuality does not favor reproduction.

In other mammals, the female goes into 'heat' when she's menstruating, and she's at her most fertile. The rest of the time, she doesn't accept sex partners. This happens a few times a year, depending on species.

While human females are at their least fertile during menstruation, and tend to have a higher demand for sex drive right before their period, when they are less likely to conceive. (And obviously, they may be willing to have sex at any time during their cycle.)

The question of how and why our species evolved in this manner is fascinating.

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RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality - 3/7/2014 2:46:08 PM

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It's not relevant for a discussion about science, as anecdotal personal experiences don't have a place in scientific research, but I noticed (which links into Peon's thread about women and sex) that I can go through periods without sex, as work commitments tend to frequently separate me from the other half, I then tend to put the sex drive on hibernation, however if we're in the same house and especially the same bed, the bets for that are off... (luckily he never screamed rape, unless I misunderstood groans and grunts). It's definitely not for procreation because a bunch of years ago the big C took care of one ovary and both tubes, so apart from going to hell for enjoying a good, kinky fuck (though I have to admit sometimes we're both lazy and it's just a regular one, which is also quite enjoyable), I might actually burn twice for not procreating, or since it's supposed to be only for procreation, I should actually have lost all my sex drive, and he should have too as he knows it's not for the sake of making babies (thank fuck that didn't sink in)....

You can only burn once. Besides, the Devil too is gett'n low on his hellish gas.

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RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality - 3/7/2014 2:52:22 PM

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Human sexuality does not favor reproduction.

The question of how and why our species evolved in this manner is fascinating.

I think it is because human infants are so dependant for such a long time. The price of reproducing is high, therefore it is better for the offspring if the parents are well bonded to each other.

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RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality - 3/7/2014 3:04:01 PM

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Hmmm I've tried not to weigh in on the debate about how homosexuality develops, but sexuality in general is primal. We're geared to enjoy ourselves during sex, that way humans have some drive to actually do it, and yes procreation is the reason we've evolved these primal urges.

Homosexuality? Well, I agree, it doesn't fit the bill, but I do reckon there's an element of psychology to it that could be considered primal.

It's interesting that my sexual interest in men is tied to dominance and strength. As a man, I seek the strongest man in the pack - always have. Perhaps for some subconscious reason my mind is trying to "prove myself" that I can either dominate the strongest member of a pack, or I'm good enough that the strongest member wants to prove himself over me. I can't talk for others, but I think for men there seems to be an obsession with strength and dominance in general in male homosexual society, and that could tie very strongly to primal natures.

For female homosexual natures it may tie directly to a nurturing element. Strength may not be important - finding someone to be with and nurture with may be something instead they seek.

I'm certainly not stating this as fact, mind you. Just something I consider which might speak to primal nature, and how it ties to homosexuality.

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RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality - 3/8/2014 5:12:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

From my reading I've learned some very interesting genetic things about homosexuality in humans.

Here's a great article:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26089486

As for your questions, we're mammals, so of course sexuality is a primal instinct.

I love the article, thanks for that

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RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality - 3/8/2014 8:27:31 AM

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I'm reminded of a study of overpopulation in mice from back when the ZPG movement was in full swing.

It was interesting that the incidence rate (more per block of population if you will) of asexual and same-sexual behaviors radically increased when the population density got too high. Along with the incidence of aggression behaviors and spontaneous abortions (miscarriages).

Does this relate to humans? Probably not. But, could it be a built in safety mechanism ingrained in mammalian species when they are forced into overpopulated conditions?

Anyway, social customs in different tribes vary and trying to impose foreign customs on a tribe is never accepted gladly. I can just see small town communities being exposed to the Imperial Roman attitudes about male homosexuality where a sexual relationship between a mature man and a young boy was accepted and even encouraged as part of a mentoring process. But sexual relations between two adult men was considered a lower class perversion.

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RE: Primal Instinct - Sexuality - 3/8/2014 9:08:06 AM

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I'm reminded of a study of overpopulation in mice from back when the ZPG movement was in full swing.

It was interesting that the incidence rate (more per block of population if you will) of asexual and same-sexual behaviors radically increased when the population density got too high. Along with the incidence of aggression behaviors and spontaneous abortions (miscarriages).

That sounds interesting!

I'm off to google.

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