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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/13/2006 4:06:10 PM   
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Once again I'll remind you that you have an open invitation to visit us if you ever get to LA. It would be GREAT to meet you!
I intend to take you up on that offer and come see Cali this year. M


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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/13/2006 4:07:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you can't see the flaws in the OP then while you may not be racist, your ability to think and comprehend are definitely in question.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/13/2006 4:13:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		History can't be erased  and generations of conditioning can't be erased overnight, it has to be worked through. The fact that we as white people personally haven't owned any black slaves is irrelevent. The fact that my ancestors were dirt poor is irrelevent. Society has defined and conditioned people over a long time and undoing the injustices that have taken place is going to take a long time too.

Hell, we still argue about the war of independence ooops! I mean the revolutionary war (which it wasn't as there was no replacement of socio-political system, just the forming of an independent government).

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/13/2006 4:35:47 PM   
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Society has defined and conditioned people over a long time and undoing the injustices that have taken place is going to take a long time too.


MC,
Society and social engineering programs contribute to the problem, and in some instances, feed it into new generations.

Case in point; the closest I ever got to being prejudice was when my college guidance counselor said that my LSAT's and GPA were good, but not good enough for Law School because I didn't qualify as a minority candidate. Fortunately I realized it wasn't the fault of any black person. I did go back to my room and throw a pillow at my black roommate.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/13/2006 4:58:18 PM   
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I have a ton of minority friends, and have noticed that those that speak proper English, get treated much better. Even more to the point, everyone, no matter the race, gets treated better when they speak proper English. White kids that speak ghetto, get treated like gangsters. I apologize if this sounds simplistic (and it probably is), but know your audience. I do the Avril, "cuss like a sailor" thing on this board, as a way of bringing emphasis ... but you would never, ever, catch me doing that outside of here.
 
Again, sorry if this is a poor contribution.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/13/2006 5:11:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, it is on point exactly, caitlyn things that have nothing to do with nothing have alot to do with something, ebonics has not fos'ta done what it has fos'ed ta done.  words and textures and overall ambiance mean everything......... 

Those that bought into ebonics, bought into a load of bullshit, it is a learned behavior like smoking, and you will never bring the hood to mainstream america.  But that isn't necessarily a black/whit thing, I lived in Boston for a long time, while most of that speech was fine in Boston, when they talked on the phone or in person to others in the business world, it was cracker all the way (that is what cracker really means, the nasal white and bland way of speacking, nothing to do with skin color, really).............when I write like my childhood memories were spoken, all around me..everybody goes WTF? (you know they do) and so to say this thing is something I will keep is not healthy, look; you can't get over someone who is  older than your father having the hots for you......but you admit we are all sexual beings...nearly from birth...so why  is it so far afield to say that anything that singles a person out as unique is a problem, even though, at the end of the day, we want to be unique, we want those things we find comfort in, we want to have our binkies.

Everybody, and I mean everybody has to go to kindergarden and not suck their thumb or at some point they are going to take some teasing.

 

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/13/2006 11:00:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Equally, if you can't see the truths in the OP then while you may not be an inverted racist, your ability to think and comprehend are definitely in question.

Just one final point.  Has anyone ever considered how ludicrious it is to "have pride in your race", regardless of which race that is?  To have pride in an entire group of people is pure insanity, since each racial group will include Nobel Prize Winners, rapists, murderers, assassins, nurses, great political leaders, child abductors, soldiers, bank robbers, etc.etc.etc.

You can be proud of individuals from within your race that achieve great things but to consider everyone else in that group as being just as honourable is lunacy.



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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/13/2006 11:16:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rooting or celebrating for the home team does not make you a racist. Feeling you can't handle the social competition and thus having the urge to bully, harm, or destroy any opposing team however, does make you a racist. 

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/13/2006 11:29:04 PM   
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 You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos and barrios the most dangerousplaces to live?   You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah, You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi, You have the NAACP, You have BET.(black entertainment television) If we had WET(white entertainmenttelevision) we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists. If we had white history month, we'd be racists.   If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists!   There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were "White colleges" that would be a racist college.   In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call



The thing is, "white" people do not need a white history month, our calendar is setup on the julian calender, its setup and followed by the catholic church, and has been/still is predominantly white.

We do not need a foundation to look out for the better interests in general, while I do believe the political correctness thing is way out of hand. There is no reason for us to have our own naacp, who would they protest? the already predominantly white government?

There is a reason why all of the foundations you desrcibed are called MINORITY. while hispanics in the United States will be out numbering "whites" it still does not mean our hispanic population is going to coup de tat our government and those in power will do everything in their power to retain their power.

So frankly the comments you said were racist, while rascism is a two way street, pointing it out just proves your no better than they are. Frankly if someone called me a cracker or a honkey, I would just laugh.

“If you can't ignore an insult, top it; if you can't top it, laugh it off; and if you can't laugh it off, it's probably deserved.”
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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/14/2006 12:32:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Society has defined and conditioned people over a long time and undoing the injustices that have taken place is going to take a long time too.


MC,
Society and social engineering programs contribute to the problem, and in some instances, feed it into new generations.

Case in point; the closest I ever got to being prejudice was when my college guidance counselor said that my LSAT's and GPA were good, but not good enough for Law School because I didn't qualify as a minority candidate. Fortunately I realized it wasn't the fault of any black person. I did go back to my room and throw a pillow at my black roommate.



The last thing I am advocating Mercnbeth is a host of new laws and an army of social workers to help put things right. I don't believe such action works.

What I am calling for, is for people to have a self awareness about themselves and their own attitudes towards other people. As a society we aren't colour blind and however you interpret the statisitcs that is a fact. Only by winning the hearts and minds of people that race shouldn't be part of judging someone will there be justice.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/14/2006 1:43:26 AM   
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The thing is, "white" people do not need a white history month


Ummmm......neither does anyone.  If you say 'ok you can have a special month for your race but you can't because I don't think you need one', you are guilty of discriminating against someone through race.

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, our calendar is setup on the julian calender, its setup and followed by the catholic church, and has been/still is predominantly white.

We do not need a foundation to look out for the better interests in general


Aren't there poor white people that need help too?  Does a rich black man deserve better treatment than a poor white person?
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, while I do believe the political correctness thing is way out of hand. There is no reason for us to have our own naacp, who would they protest?


everyone that discriminates against you simply because you happen to be white.

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Frankly if someone called me a cracker or a honkey, I would just laugh.


So should everyone who hears silly racist name calling.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/14/2006 2:43:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am not a racist, I judge people by their words/actions, not their colour or ethnic origins.
Any ethnic organization is by definition racist.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/14/2006 7:05:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm just gonna put my two cents in this mess. I am Native American....to be exact, Cherokee. My grandmother was full, my father half (as my grandfather was off the boat German)...anywho...most of my family still lives on the Reservation in Cherokee, NC. Now...I grew up on this reservation most of my childhood....can I tell you how many times I heard my fellow Natives say crap like..."The white man is holding me down..." so many times it was just annoying. Mind you, the Natives I heard saying this, were the ones who sat on the porch smoking crack, and drinking moonshine...never having a job, dropping out of school...and more that willing to accept welfare.Now, this is what *I* witnessed growing up, I'm only 24 so it wasn't that long ago...and the last time I visited family on the Res, it was the same damn way. I cannot speak for blacks or whatever other race, I can speak for my own....I think alot of the attitude about "The man" (being what ever race you want to blame the man for being) hold *us* down is alot of bunk. The truth is, ANYONE can suceed in life in the US....yes, it is hard, yes there are ignorant, stupid people out there....but it is possible. Plenty of my Native family and friends have done quite well. Are not on government funding, and work real jobs. Honestly...as being a person of *color*, I find it annoying that other's use this excuse, the hold my people down crap...if that were truly the case *NO* one of *color* would be educated, employed or what have you. Just my opinion tho...

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/14/2006 10:15:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kidspheonix,

I disagree. There is a difference and it is this:

Whites have not suffered hundreds of years of slavery and second-class status. Thus, racism against blacks has far-reaching connotations and can be seen as a continuation of the worst excesses of imperialism.

Racism against whites does not get under our skin because consciously we know our society places us further up the ladder than blacks.

In conclusion, whites have a duty to move away from the racism of past centuries and if that means ignoring reciprocal racism then that is how it should be.

NorthernGent.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/14/2006 10:37:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I pretty much sit on the fence on this one.  I do not care if people have their holidays, pride days or whatever else makes their life seem a little less hopeless.  If it makes them happy, let them have it.  I do not need any of these things to give My life purpose, but that does not mean I will deny them that right.

I only have a couple of problems really.  First, many black people try too hard to be cool, "gangsta" and "different" and it gets really irritating sometimes.  It is particularly evident in some of the music My wife listens to.  Of course Eminem is guilty as well. hehe.  Mind you, to be fair, I find there are quite a few white people that try to imitate them (I have heard them called "wiggers".   My ex had a son like that.  That is what she called him).

The second is with Pakistanis.  I have been ripped off very badly for thousands of dollars by a couple.  It does not make Me paint all of them with the same brush mind you, but now I am very wary when I enter into a business deal with one.  The old saying "once bitten, twice shy" unfortunately applies here.  Again, to be fair, I deal with several that are very nice people.  Obviously I do not look badly on the entire race, but I am cautious.

I do not think that it is ever fair to paint an entire race in a bad light because of a few bad apples.  Every single race on the planet has their bad apples, so if you are going to be "racist" you should hate everybody equally.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/14/2006 10:45:42 AM   
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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/14/2006 10:45:50 AM   
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No offence intended but your post is riddled with contradictions.

You do not want to "tar them all with the same brush" but you do as you have allowed the actions of two people to be the basis of your opinions on an entire race i.e. you are now wary of a whole race.

To be frank, to be able to come to that conclusion, you must be a racist. The majority of terrorists in the US have been white americans, do you view all fellow white americans as terrorists? Are you wary of them all?

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/14/2006 10:49:27 AM   
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That way, all three races are covered.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/14/2006 11:13:24 AM   
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SirKenin,

No offence intended but your post is riddled with contradictions.

You do not want to "tar them all with the same brush" but you do as you have allowed the actions of two people to be the basis of your opinions on an entire race i.e. you are now wary of a whole race.

To be frank, to be able to come to that conclusion, you must be a racist. The majority of terrorists in the US have been white americans, do you view all fellow white americans as terrorists? Are you wary of them all?

NorthernGent


Well, I think to be fair if you were burned as badly as I was, you would be wary too.  I can not afford to lose another $10,000 thanks.  So, I believe it better to be safe than sorry.  I decided to not burn the bridge, because obviously a whole race is not going to behave the same way those two people did, but I felt it proper to just play it safe for now and ease into business relationships with them until I feel comfortable with them.  In time this will no longer be an issue, but the sores are still pretty raw so I will defend Myself, no matter how it makes Me look.

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RE: Are WE racists? - 7/14/2006 11:35:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		People are discrimatory, it's a self defence mechanism of being warey of the unknown or in identifying potential dangers by recognizing hazards through experience.

It is simplistic to call someone racist when these are natural alarms that go off in our head. As a multi-racial society we have to recognise the inappropriate nature of these alarms for the sake of the society we live in but accusing someone of being racist every time one experiences these discrimatory emotions is political correctness at its most insidious.

What I'm saying is that 'once bitten twice shy' is a natural response SK and I wouldn't worry about it overly.

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