RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid



Message


LorraineCA -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/8/2014 10:11:35 PM)

It's funny because I just got done talking with one of my classmates and I told her that I'm on a forum and how people disagree with me. She asked me what I said and I told her how I interpreted what the Professor said. She said I'm twisting some of the words the Professor said. I'm shocked that she said this. I still can't believe I twisted the Professors words.




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/8/2014 10:12:28 PM)

Umm, I just looked at the link: It is highly biased, feminista propaganda. Demand your money back for the course.

Don't ask, demand.

It's late on a Saturday night, I'm a bit buzzed, and I tore your professors arguments to shreds. The reading material incorporated into the class is purile at best; at worst it is extremely sexist. It is tailored that way to get you, a woman, to feel included into the conversation even though you are supposed to be taught to.

This is neither a male nor a female perspective: your class is a snow-job, a scam, a con. It's the opinion of a computer geek.

"One of these days in your travels, a guy is going to show you a brand-new deck of cards on which the seal is not yet broken. Then this guy is going to offer to bet you that he can make the jack of spades jump out of this brand-new deck of cards and squirt cider in your ear. But, son, do not accept this bet, because as sure as you stand there, you're going to wind up with an ear full of cider." - Sky Masterson

Get your money back.
Guys and Dolls




kalikshama -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/9/2014 11:13:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LorraineCA

Not only do we have a textbook, but the professor has website reading assignments. This is one of them:

Women are Better Communicators than Men


About.com links as homework? Really?

What's next, Yahoo Answers?




Apocalypso -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/9/2014 1:43:29 PM)

quote:

Recent research conducted by PsychTests Inc. reveals that women in general are better at communicating than men.


Rewritten press release.




angelikaJ -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/9/2014 6:28:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LorraineCA

It's funny because I just got done talking with one of my classmates and I told her that I'm on a forum and how people disagree with me. She asked me what I said and I told her how I interpreted what the Professor said. She said I'm twisting some of the words the Professor said. I'm shocked that she said this. I still can't believe I twisted the Professors words.


Twisting words has the connotation of bad intent.

Is it possible that you misunderstood his words or miscomprehended his meaning?
What does your classmate think he meant?

And yes, for the record, if a professor assigned about.com articles to me to read, I would be quite unhappy with the quality of my education in his or her class.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/9/2014 6:52:52 PM)

Malcom, you're right, my apologies. However, it doesn't make what I said less true.

OP, I said in my first post in this thread that you likely intrepreted your instructor wrong. I've notice you have a habit of interpreting things with your own bias as opposed to facts. If you are thinking of a future in law enforcment, you need to learn how to be objective.

As for the links, like others said, they are certainly not something any professor at an accredited school would be handing out as learning material, especially in sociology.

So now I question whether you are at any kind of accredited school.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/9/2014 9:02:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LorraineCA

I'm taking several classes, mostly in Law Enforcement and Sociology. One of the sociology classes touches on the subject of online dating.

Many men believe that women have better odds then men on dating sites.
1. For example, John can send 30 emails and receive 0 responses while a Jane will receive 30 emails.
2. So Jane has the opportunity to meet 30 different men whereas John won't be able to meet anyone.
3. Jane has better odds than John in meeting people.

This is what the Professor had to say, well, at least how I interpret it. And this is just one of the reasons. Let's say both John and Jane are two mature adults who aren't that interested in the physical, but rather, the personality. They are looking for someone who listens, understands, comprehends and knows how to communicate. It's important to them that the other person expresses their feelings and they are honest and faithful.
1. More women than men are more than likely to have these qualities.
2. So if John actually met 100 different women he would find women who have these qualities.
3. If Jane met 100 different men the odds are she wouldn't meet any man with those qualities.

Generally speaking, and although not all true, most men who have these qualities are probably already in a relationship and one wouldn't find him on a dating site. In other words, not all men on dating sites lack these qualities, but more women have them than men on dating sites. I hope I'm making myself clear.

I was curious how many people would agree with this, or disagree, or would add to it.

This is a rephrasing of the old saying: "The odds are good, but the goods are odd."

By the way, it's worth breaking down the demographics more than just men and women. Age and ethnicity matter a lot. For example, the group least likely to receive a response to a first email is not white men; it's black women.

You can read a lot more detail on, for example, the OKTrends Blog.




GoddessManko -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/9/2014 10:00:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

Switch "online" with "in a bar."

The same ratios apply. In general*, in Western society men are the hunters and women are the prey that is being hunted. Your professor is confusing mathematics and probability with psychology and sociology.

His math doesn't work because his axioms are incorrect. He's also wrong because he doesn't understand user interfaces: woman gets 30 mails and she starts deleting them unread; she can accidentally delete the one that actually was a good match.

John can greatly improve his luck with a well written profile whereas Jane just has to acknowledge she has tits. See the difference? More fish in the pool doesn't mean that using the wrong bait will help.

*please note that I said "in general."


Online and offline, women have no problem capturing the attention of men. Doesn't matter size, shape, age or ethnicity. Don't kid yourselves fellas, I don't need a pie chart to tell me that. Dating is not dependent on longevity of the relationship, it is about your ability to ascertain the attention of the opposite sex and to spend it in a pseudo-romantic context which can go from one end of the spectrum to the other.
Also you are using axioms out of context. He purported a BELIEF, not an unequivocal fact.
She interpreted it in a way where your term "axiom" may fit however.
Now where STANDARDS come into play is a different story. However I don't see where environmental factors fit into "ability" in a statistical context because of the EXTREMELY LARGE number of variants which hardly anyone can interpret.




GoddessManko -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/9/2014 10:06:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

Umm, I just looked at the link: It is highly biased, feminista propaganda. Demand your money back for the course.

Don't ask, demand.

It's late on a Saturday night, I'm a bit buzzed, and I tore your professors arguments to shreds. The reading material incorporated into the class is purile at best; at worst it is extremely sexist. It is tailored that way to get you, a woman, to feel included into the conversation even though you are supposed to be taught to.

This is neither a male nor a female perspective: your class is a snow-job, a scam, a con. It's the opinion of a computer geek.

"One of these days in your travels, a guy is going to show you a brand-new deck of cards on which the seal is not yet broken. Then this guy is going to offer to bet you that he can make the jack of spades jump out of this brand-new deck of cards and squirt cider in your ear. But, son, do not accept this bet, because as sure as you stand there, you're going to wind up with an ear full of cider." - Sky Masterson

Get your money back.
Guys and Dolls


I think it's great you read the link, I think the credentials of the author are worth considering.
http://socialanxietydisorder.about.com/bio/Arlin-Cuncic-29790.htm




LadyConstanze -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/10/2014 7:35:39 AM)

This might be slightly OT, but last Friday I had a good talk with a friend, after a divorce and a few not so great relationships he seems to have found the right one, the mood was relaxed and he told us about his online dating experiences and why he decided to give online dating a miss...

He's quite successful and very sporty, so he wanted a woman who enjoys outdoors stuff, hiking and climbing, he was rather specific about it, he got quite a lot of replies and without being rude, he made it clear that he wants somebody who's very fit, he said the women who replied, most were everything but in shape, now we all have preferences, that was one of his. Now if I'd read that a guy wants to do a lot of sporty things, then I'm planning a date with him and complain that the venue is not ideal for me because I actually have to walk 5 minutes (and moan about that), it's a bit of an epic fail and it happened a few times.

He also wanted somebody who lives in stable circumstances, not rich, just not completely in limbo and just looking for a sugar daddy, this one was classic:
Her: "I should mention I have 3 small kids"
He: "No problem, I like kids, how old are they and are they living with you?"
Her: "They will be, once the social gives them back to me...."
Oddly enough he decided online dating wasn't for him ;)

I think in this respect I agree with LL, that both women and men can have "selective hearing". How many women convince themselves that the guy really must like them as he calls them late at night, instead of just realizing that the guy is looking for a booty call...




MercTech -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/10/2014 8:09:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LorraineCA

It's funny because I just got done talking with one of my classmates and I told her that I'm on a forum and how people disagree with me. She asked me what I said and I told her how I interpreted what the Professor said. She said I'm twisting some of the words the Professor said. I'm shocked that she said this. I still can't believe I twisted the Professors words.


People take what they hear and use a filter of personal experience and training to arrive at meaning. That is one reason why three way communication is made mandatory in many critical work cultures. (A says to B. B repeats back what is said. A acknowledges what was said was correct or not. ... You don't want the framadigit taken off line when it was the fuscadoodle that needed repair.)

And many don't acknowledge that people hear what you say and not what you mean. <grin> It sounds like your classmate understood something different than you did upon hearing the same words.




Domnotlooking -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/10/2014 9:45:47 AM)

I have my wife's ex's Match.com password and read his inbox for laughs.

Invariably, the women send non-responses to his carefully crafted approaches to them, usually along the lines of "How R U?"

If they're the ones approaching him for the first time, their pitch ranges from "Hi" all the way to "Hi there".

Based on my unscientific sample of reading one sincero loser's attempt to find love with women waaay out of his league, I dispute your nutty claim that women are more expressive than men.

Further data analysis: The hotter looking they are, the more prone they are to write "Hi" instead going that extra mile with "Hi there".




Musicmystery -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/10/2014 10:22:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LorraineCA

I'm taking several classes, mostly in Law Enforcement and Sociology. One of the sociology classes touches on the subject of online dating.

Many men believe that women have better odds then men on dating sites.
1. For example, John can send 30 emails and receive 0 responses while a Jane will receive 30 emails.
2. So Jane has the opportunity to meet 30 different men whereas John won't be able to meet anyone.
3. Jane has better odds than John in meeting people.

This is what the Professor had to say, well, at least how I interpret it. And this is just one of the reasons. Let's say both John and Jane are two mature adults who aren't that interested in the physical, but rather, the personality. They are looking for someone who listens, understands, comprehends and knows how to communicate. It's important to them that the other person expresses their feelings and they are honest and faithful.
1. More women than men are more than likely to have these qualities.
2. So if John actually met 100 different women he would find women who have these qualities.
3. If Jane met 100 different men the odds are she wouldn't meet any man with those qualities.

Generally speaking, and although not all true, most men who have these qualities are probably already in a relationship and one wouldn't find him on a dating site. In other words, not all men on dating sites lack these qualities, but more women have them than men on dating sites. I hope I'm making myself clear.

I was curious how many people would agree with this, or disagree, or would add to it.

Your professor is caught in a make-believe world of pop-media stereotypes.




GoddessManko -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/10/2014 12:40:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Domnotlooking

I have my wife's ex's Match.com password and read his inbox for laughs.

Invariably, the women send non-responses to his carefully crafted approaches to them, usually along the lines of "How R U?"

If they're the ones approaching him for the first time, their pitch ranges from "Hi" all the way to "Hi there".

Based on my unscientific sample of reading one sincero loser's attempt to find love with women waaay out of his league, I dispute your nutty claim that women are more expressive than men.

Further data analysis: The hotter looking they are, the more prone they are to write "Hi" instead going that extra mile with "Hi there".


Ouch, quite the jab at our gender there. ;)




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/10/2014 9:24:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LorraineCA

I'm taking several classes, mostly in Law Enforcement and Sociology. One of the sociology classes touches on the subject of online dating.

Many men believe that women have better odds then men on dating sites.
1. For example, John can send 30 emails and receive 0 responses while a Jane will receive 30 emails.
2. So Jane has the opportunity to meet 30 different men whereas John won't be able to meet anyone.
3. Jane has better odds than John in meeting people.

This is what the Professor had to say, well, at least how I interpret it. And this is just one of the reasons. Let's say both John and Jane are two mature adults who aren't that interested in the physical, but rather, the personality. They are looking for someone who listens, understands, comprehends and knows how to communicate. It's important to them that the other person expresses their feelings and they are honest and faithful.
1. More women than men are more than likely to have these qualities.
2. So if John actually met 100 different women he would find women who have these qualities.
3. If Jane met 100 different men the odds are she wouldn't meet any man with those qualities.

Generally speaking, and although not all true, most men who have these qualities are probably already in a relationship and one wouldn't find him on a dating site. In other words, not all men on dating sites lack these qualities, but more women have them than men on dating sites. I hope I'm making myself clear.

I was curious how many people would agree with this, or disagree, or would add to it.


Give me 3 billion criteria.....woman still have the advantage in dating.

Period.




Rawni -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/10/2014 9:35:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Domnotlooking

I have my wife's ex's Match.com password and read his inbox for laughs.

Invariably, the women send non-responses to his carefully crafted approaches to them, usually along the lines of "How R U?"

If they're the ones approaching him for the first time, their pitch ranges from "Hi" all the way to "Hi there".

Based on my unscientific sample of reading one sincero loser's attempt to find love with women waaay out of his league, I dispute your nutty claim that women are more expressive than men.

Further data analysis: The hotter looking they are, the more prone they are to write "Hi" instead going that extra mile with "Hi there".


ROFL





smileforme50 -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/11/2014 3:16:00 AM)

Not having read all of the responses yet....but I have a couple of questions....

Everyone is assuming that your professor is male....but you didn't spedify that in the OP. Is that the case? It can make a difference.

Second....the bit about
"1. For example, John can send 30 emails and receive 0 responses while a Jane will receive 30 emails.
2. So Jane has the opportunity to meet 30 different men whereas John won't be able to meet anyone.
3. Jane has better odds than John in meeting people. "

Just doesn't make any sense mathmatically.....how can Jane meet 30 men...and John meet no women?? If Jane is meeting 30 men, there ARE obviously men out there who are meeting women. If men never met any women.....then the counter part of that would be true too.....women wouuldn't be meeting any men. Personally....I've probably met at least a couple dozen men over the last 4 years. So....right there....there are a couple of dozen men who ARE meeting women.

I think the "women meet men but men don't meet women" line is a total fallacy. What's really going on is that men aren't meeting the NUMBER of women that they would like to. They have this bug in their head that makes them think that they need to be meeting a different woman every week....well that's not going to happen.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/11/2014 4:16:12 AM)

quote:

I think the "women meet men but men don't meet women" line is a total fallacy. What's really going on is that men aren't meeting the NUMBER of women that they would like to. They have this bug in their head that makes them think that they need to be meeting a different woman every week....well that's not going to happen.


Unless the professor argues that there is a small pool of women who do all the dating, but I find that highly unlikely.

Women might get more offers because men are more forward when it comes to making contact, but if somebody is on a dating site to meet potential partners, they have the same goal. Nobody would expect to find a potential partner straight away when they socialize, singles go to pubs and clubs and they talk to each other, it doesn't work like "girl meets boy, both single = couple", chemistry, mutual interests and all that. Women might get more letters, if you take CM, even if you specify you're not looking, you're getting mails, most of them are pretty horrendous (and I'm not talking about just the ones with the pics and "do this to me"), they are unarticulate, it doesn't really take that much to start a conversation. I usually get replies that people are surprised that I answer in a friendly fashion, apparently a lot of women believe that they are higher up the food chain, which is a bit odd, I mean if both women and men search, then why pretend it's not the same they're looking after? And if things would work for them, they wouldn't be searching, right? Both sexes fish in a pool, one sex might have more bait, but that doesn't mean that they catch the kind of fish they are looking for.

I've seen it countless times going out with unattached friends who are looking, the more desperate they get with "it has to be the right one or else I am not talking to him", they give out a vibe that just reeks of desperation, the ones that go out to have fun, a drink with friends, a bit of easy banter and actually say they aren't looking, they enjoy being single, they usually end up in relationships before you say "snap". Of course it's easier for a hot 20 something, but unless somebody is looking for a trophy wife or a sugar daddy, people tend to look for somebody roughly in their own age range and social group, because their goals tend to be similar.




DarkSteven -> RE: Professor's View On Dating Sites Odds (3/11/2014 4:33:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LorraineCA

I'm taking several classes, mostly in Law Enforcement and Sociology. One of the sociology classes touches on the subject of online dating.

Many men believe that women have better odds then men on dating sites.
1. For example, John can send 30 emails and receive 0 responses while a Jane will receive 30 emails.
2. So Jane has the opportunity to meet 30 different men whereas John won't be able to meet anyone.
3. Jane has better odds than John in meeting people.

This is what the Professor had to say, well, at least how I interpret it. And this is just one of the reasons. Let's say both John and Jane are two mature adults who aren't that interested in the physical, but rather, the personality. They are looking for someone who listens, understands, comprehends and knows how to communicate. It's important to them that the other person expresses their feelings and they are honest and faithful.
1. More women than men are more than likely to have these qualities.
2. So if John actually met 100 different women he would find women who have these qualities.
3. If Jane met 100 different men the odds are she wouldn't meet any man with those qualities.

Generally speaking, and although not all true, most men who have these qualities are probably already in a relationship and one wouldn't find him on a dating site. In other words, not all men on dating sites lack these qualities, but more women have them than men on dating sites. I hope I'm making myself clear.

I was curious how many people would agree with this, or disagree, or would add to it.


Makes no sense.

1. He said "women have better odds than men on sites." I agree. But then he first made up numbers to back up his theory instead of using actual numbers. Also, he defined success at getting initial messages and responses. I would suggest that a better criterion would be "meeting someone for three or more dates with that person."

2. The assumption is that the people in question are all single, mono, and straight, and looking for relationships. No allowance is made for people in existing relationships looking for a third or to cheat, for gays and lesbians, or for people just wanting a quick shag.

3. He ignored that some sites self-select. For example, Alt has ads on the other side of cm, showing young, attractive women in various states of undress, and disclosing in microscopic letters that those aren't photos of actual members. Alt has also given a guarantee that you will get laid within three months of getting a paid membership. AshleyMorgan.com has been accused of making fake profiles of beautiful women to drive men to the site. In short, some sites deliberately make it more difficult to get a suitable match, in order to drive men (who pay more) to the site.

If the study were to have value, what I'd like to see is a breakdown of the steps involved:

1. Initial contact success. If initiating, what percent of first messages are replied to positively? If receiving, what percent of initial contacts look promising? (How are ridiculous ones filtered out? For example, as a man, 90% of my received initial messages are obvious fakes calling me Master, from scammers.) The true value would be in finding out what factors - suitability of message and profile - will influence those ratios.

2. Success at moving from initial contact to an actual meeting. What are success factors in so doing?

3. Success at meeting a second time. Was the other person as advertised? if not, what was it? Undisclosed wife/husband? Pic not reflective of reality? Bad conversationalist? Or just no chemistry?




Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
6.347656E-02