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chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/18/2014 5:00:54 PM)
Why were you unkind to her? Apoligizes do not come easy for some people. I always appreciate an apology and have swallowed my pride many times to apologize myself. I once knew someone who never said im sorry one time in over 3 years out of pride. They most certainly always thought they were right. Balancing society laws and divine laws can be quite difficult. God is not in favor of compromise. I have been reprimanded I cant tell you how many times. I guess you are fortunate.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/18/2014 11:04:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 God is not in favor of compromise. This is one of the problems I am trying to come to grapple with and have no satisfactory answer for at the moment. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Apoligizes do not come easy for some people. I always appreciate an apology and have swallowed my pride many times to apologize myself. I once knew someone who never said im sorry one time in over 3 years out of pride. Some I believe feel that a Doms are a Saintly beings who have no need to ever make an apology that it is unbecoming and a sign of weakness in which case you have no need for an "I apologize" button. You are walking perfection, but for the rest of us it seems like it should be an option. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 I have been reprimanded I cant tell you how many times. I guess you are fortunate. I am blessed. Am I not suppose to be humble about it? Humility has its place, but that would be false humility in this instance. It is appropriate to state such things here. What some here do not realize is I come with a resume of sorts. There a Catholic mystic who issued a prophecy concerning me that is a matter of record though it is not public record. There is a prophecy. Needless to say I was not reprimanded, but others are. It has been something of a mystery. God has been very kind to me. It is rare that I will have a vision or something of that sort.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 12:14:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM ... The theories of modern man are objective. Ancient man, however, understood that a theory of everything implies that the observer will be a variable in the equation as well as that which is observed. Our capacity to Sin stems from this interconnectedness that in turns implies the need for morality and the need to be moral. This does not imply that our understanding of morality is necessarily correct, however. Nonetheless there is a need. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 ... Listening to others points of view, and caring, and considering them, is important. ... I am not catholic, but I have had catholic friends, and worked with nuns. WHo were incredible people I adored. I highly respected their calling, even though I didn't understand some of their beliefs, ... Transubstantiation of the bread into the body of Christ and the wine into the blood of Christ, for example, becomes more than plausible when you consider what I wrote. The belief though regarded strange by some is not so strange in truth.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 12:27:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM There is a vision I had not long ago. It concerns my authority to speak as a teacher. I had the vision when I addressed the Church. At this time I had concerned myself with some of the passages in the Bible, those words spoken by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount. I was given teaching authority by God. I saw Our Lord Jesus Christ where He gave the sermon. I did not see Him, however. I saw His outline in flame. Not the flame of a fire, but the flame of the sun with its brilliance and color. It was a smile. I did not anticipate that He would give it to me and so it took me by surprise. The Devil no doubt has issued His complaint. Given the blessing of Our Lord Jesus Christ the path ahead of me is somewhat more clear. I have been hesitant to assume this role in deference. I wrote, "It was a smile." It was clear to me at the moment I experienced the vision why He was smiling. This is meta-information, information about the vision. What I described was the vision proper. It was pleasing to God that I cared about His church.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 12:33:42 AM)
Evidently, I make God happy.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 4:46:18 AM)
My thoughts are that a personal relationship with God is an absolute individual journey. One may be part of a congregation, who believe as a whole, basically the same things, but there might be slight difference in interpretations of scripture. I like to commune with God and do my own reading, pray for my own revelation to be given to me, in his will (not my own). I like to do this after hearing a sermon from a leader even. As I do this, I always keep in mind the words of Jesus, who is written to have love, understanding, compassion, wisdom, altruism, discipline, honesty, truth, sincerity, obedience always to God. I take inventory of whether I have hate, or self motivation, when I read or pray. Sometimes revelation comes later, as humans we sometimes like to lie to ourselves. AN evolution is always going on, sometimes I learn things quickly, sometimes SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWLy.[:D] I actually feel not apologizing is a weakness, not a strength. I am also very blessed, but I am also in a learning process so I get a reality check pretty often. The lessons in life, are actually a blessing, but they don't FEEL VERY GOOD sometimes. I think sharing experiences are excellent, and saying one is blessed is not something that should be humble, it should be shouted! Feeling blessed in bad times as well as good times is when you know you have arrived. A VERY DIFFICULT JOURNEY but very possible. Takes a lot of faith. I have partook of communion many times, some earlier times, with a lesser heart and mind, but I don't regret it, it was all part of the process. I used to be a church attender, who had zero anointing or understanding, I just went through the motions. I didn't understand the Bible at all, except for the easiest of passages. I think GOd is pleased, I sure hope so, it gives me joy to keep trying. Now the lessons sometimes are a little painful but that's ok, its all worth it. IT is not always an easy path. Is this the way for someone else? I don't know, but it certainly has worked for me.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 8:34:10 AM)
The righteous often think they know the mind of God and exhibit no submissiveness before Him.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 8:55:59 AM)
What you have said I have heard before. You are spouting a party line and it is inconsistent because of it. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 My thoughts are that a personal relationship with God is an absolute individual journey. Where is this individual journey when what you have given me is the Protestant party line?

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 8:57:28 AM)
I dont know the mind of God. I try to be submissive to God not man.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 9:25:00 AM)
Lol. Protestant party line? I am non denominational. I believe in God. Maybe I am Protestant. quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM What you have said I have heard before. You are spouting a party line and it is inconsistent because of it. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 My thoughts are that a personal relationship with God is an absolute individual journey. Where is this individual journey when what you have given me is the Protestant party line?

vincentML -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 1:06:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 I dont know the mind of God. I try to be submissive to God not man. How can you manage that? How can you be submissive to god if you do not know the mind of god? Apologies, but it seems a rather robotic task or do you invent heavenly intentions as you go along?

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 1:59:31 PM)
For me the only way to understand is to be submissive to the word then I begin to gain knowledge. I will not say I know Gods mind. One can think they know a person 25 years but you really never know all. I won't pretend to know something that magnificent. It's not robotic sometimes it's very exciting. But with all things it's not always lightening bolts.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 8:01:38 PM)
I am glad you are no stranger to controversy and therefore can handle it. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 ... Protestant party line? I am non denominational. I believe in God. Maybe I am Protestant. Non-denominational and Protestant party line are one and the same. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 I have partook of communion many times, some earlier times, with a lesser heart and mind, but I don't regret it, it was all part of the process. Taking Communion without First Communion? The Church is tolerant indeed. You are unfamiliar with the teachings of the Church. It behaves in a hypocritical fashion because it doesn't want to push you away. It was disrespectful of you to take Communion. You are not a Catholic. Once upon a time I ran for public office. It was exploratory. I tried to speak with one of the tribes of the Indian nation. Their attitude was I had not shown sufficient respect. I was in their opinion not sufficiently acquainted with what it was to be an American Indian. So we can put this down as a universal. You are not exhibiting any understanding of Catholicism. It is difficult to get it right and it is unclear that you are even trying. To say it is difficult is an understatement. The atheists argue that by Occam's razor why not do away with the complexity altogether and keep it simple? There would be a boost in efficacy because a consistent theory of the universe is powerful whereas an inconsistent theory humbles you. It is the reason why academia prefers consistent theories. They allow man to play God.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 8:11:42 PM)
When man plays God it doesn't take long to discover that man is ill-suited to play God.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 8:45:27 PM)
Morality and the belief in God has an intimate relationship and that relationship is not a mere correlation; it is theoretical.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 8:48:43 PM)
It follows that atheists are not moral actors though it is possible that they can be inadvertently through an unintentional belief in God.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 9:04:23 PM)
The mere denial of the existence of God does not cause God to cease to exist.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/19/2014 9:08:30 PM)
What of the opposite? Does the mere affirmation that God exists, make Him real? The problem with atheism is that it cherry picks its data. It is only interested in the sort of data that suggests that man can play God.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/20/2014 5:47:58 AM)
My friend, did I ask to converted? I have no desire or need to be converted. Although I do believe there are many beautiful catholic believing people. I understand you have strict rules that the church has made? May I ask if we study from the same Bible? We do don't we? Some books are included outside of the KJV or AMP version maybe? DO you like riddles my friend? The Bible I study has multitudes of names listed. Honestly, this reading was quite boring to me, what was up with all the names? I can tell you because a name is very important, how the name was given, and sometimes a name is given without knowledge of the giver, or givers, or the receiver for that matter. Yes, if I was to identify with a religion I would loosely call it protestant. Direct descendant of John the Baptist of Palestine. How could that be so, when I am white? And how could that be so if a black woman or man found that out? If you recall, if the story is correct, he baptized Jesus per Jesus request. Although John really wasn't worthy, he did it upon request. If you recall of Jesus, he did not dress as a King, he acted as a King. He did not need fine robes to impress. He came to the afflicted. Jesus did not have a happy ending here did he, he died. There was a reason he died. I would say Kings were very jealous of him. Wouldn't you? Back to the name. Without telling you my name I can tell a story though. My first name was given only because it was liked by my parents, my middle the same. The last because it was my fathers name, my grandfathers middle name the same as my married name. IT was not done on purpose, it just happened. I thought very little of it for many many years. The name points to a certain book of the Bible. That is the riddle.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/20/2014 6:30:17 AM)
When the Protestants broke away from the Church they had nothing to give them moral authority. That is why they rely so heavily on the Bible. Why was I the one to discover how to make sense of the Bible? It wasn't a Protestant. It was little me and what did I find? It was the Catholic Church who was the most faithful of them all.

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