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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:25:24 AM   
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There's been more wars and killings caused by the bible worshipers than anything and anyone else in the world.

If man is evil, god made him didn't he?? Ergo, god himself and his followers are also evil.

Seeing you say those things surprised me. Here on Earth, it was the Chinese Communists who outdid everybody, and almost nobody believes that people are born evil. Where are you from?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:37:58 AM   
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Muad'dib had become the hand of God, fulfilling the Fremen prophecy. Where there was war, Muad'dib would now bring peace. Where there was hatred, Muad'dib would bring love. To lead the people to true freedom, and to change the face of Arrakis.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:43:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I personally believe that some people are indeed born evil.
Altho saying that, "evil" is a relative term and everyone's idea of evil is different. YMMV.
And, of course, that doesn't always mean evil in a biblical/religious sense either.

For example: my stepson is evil. Plain and simple.
He is completely self-centred, will lie to your face if he thinks he can get away with it.
He's a lying, thieving, lazy, good-for-nothing waste of space that thinks he knows it all at only 18.
Even the animals seem to sense it.
Our chipmunks used to piss all over him then run and hide in their box.
Even the friggin fish used to hide when he approached the tanks.
The neighbour's rabbit used to run and hide behind the sofa whenever he walked in the house.
His own pets at home attack him then flee.
His idea of fun is destroying stuff or hitting people - deliberately.

Given the stuff that is documented throughout history, there have been more than enough willful destruction of property and genocide in the name of religion and/or prejudice than accidental incidences and minor personal fall-outs.
My OH is a history buff and she says the vast majority of this was done in the name of religion - most religions.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:44:05 AM   
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This is going to get into trouble I just know it.

I recall watching a porno film. This video recording was different. Apparently, it was someone's girlfriend and they had broken up and her boyfriend posted it out of revenge knowing that it would hurt her. It had a distinctly different character. She warmed my heart. She was I think an Italian girl. Perhaps she was Catholic. She finished by saying with sincerity I love you. Maybe her boyfriend was in the armed services stationed over seas. Perhaps it was meant for her husband.

Is there a puritanical spectrum? It is possible she will not be canonized by the Church, but still how many pornographic recordings can be said to uplift one's heart? There was a kind of containment vessel surrounding this recording. Unlikely perfect, but nonetheless present.


Things that make you go hmmm? Very strange thing to bring up. KNOCK KNOCK, we are talking about prayers here, not porno.
Revenge is a nasty thing, that's all I got to say to that. Bites like a dinosaur, yah know might take a minute or two, or years even but oh how it bites.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:48:59 AM   
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Believing in God is far from being an extremist.


Depends, yes there are lots of Christians who aren't extremists however when one is ranting about the satanic practices of liberals as part of a 40 page ramble to themselves...


Well (don't tell Ben I said this) but it does sound a little condescending. I don't think all liberals are bad, not at all. (Ben hey and I am not siding with the devil)
I used to be a lot more liberal, and there are still things, that I don't agree with. But I can talk about it civilly.
I believe in birth control for one.
And I wanted to add, I know why he is typing. Its obvious to me.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:53:02 AM   
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I personally believe that some people are indeed born evil.
Altho saying that, "evil" is a relative term and everyone's idea of evil is different. YMMV.
And, of course, that doesn't always mean evil in a biblical/religious sense either.

For example: my stepson is evil. Plain and simple.
He is completely self-centred, will lie to your face if he thinks he can get away with it.
He's a lying, thieving, lazy, good-for-nothing waste of space that thinks he knows it all at only 18.
Even the animals seem to sense it.
Our chipmunks used to piss all over him then run and hide in their box.
Even the friggin fish used to hide when he approached the tanks.
The neighbour's rabbit used to run and hide behind the sofa whenever he walked in the house.
His own pets at home attack him then flee.
His idea of fun is destroying stuff or hitting people - deliberately.

Given the stuff that is documented throughout history, there have been more than enough willful destruction of property and genocide in the name of religion and/or prejudice than accidental incidences and minor personal fall-outs.
My OH is a history buff and she says the vast majority of this was done in the name of religion - most religions.



What is an OH?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:56:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay Ben I have studied the first prayer. What do you want me to do? Tell you what it means to me and then you correct it?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:56:56 AM   
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What is an OH?

OH = Other Half.
Same as SO = Significant Other.
Or SOH = Significant Other Half.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:58:25 AM   
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Given the stuff that is documented throughout history, there have been more than enough willful destruction of property and genocide in the name of religion and/or prejudice than accidental incidences and minor personal fall-outs. My OH is a history buff and she says the vast majority of this was done in the name of religion - most religions.

I wouldn't call an estimated 40,000,000 dead some minor personal fall-out. My advice is, go with the Chinese Communists and bet big.

K.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 5:03:04 AM   
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What is an OH?

OH = Other Half.
Same as SO = Significant Other.
Or SOH = Significant Other Half.

Thank you for clarifiying.
In regards to your step son I will say this because I have had some experience with it. I had custody of my nephew at the wrath of his crazy. He had problems since he was little, was undiagnosed for a long time. He was very hard to love. He is 30 yrs old now. Doing much better, and the very odd thing is he is very kind now. He just needed guidance. He is not perfect, but none of us are.
Those who need love are sometimes the hardest to love.


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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 5:10:49 AM   
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Given the stuff that is documented throughout history, there have been more than enough willful destruction of property and genocide in the name of religion and/or prejudice than accidental incidences and minor personal fall-outs. My OH is a history buff and she says the vast majority of this was done in the name of religion - most religions.

I wouldn't call an estimated 40,000,000 dead some minor personal fall-out. My advice is, go with the Chinese Communists and bet big.

K.


Isn't communism as a doctrine just as bad as any extremist religion??
Seems to me they are pretty much on a par with each other.

As for extremist religions, I classify anyone within any doctrine/religion that feels the need to "spread the word" to others to be an extremist of the most vile kind.
Unless it's a secret society, most people can find out if they want to be part of any doctrine.
We sure as fuck don't need misguided self-centred people to preach it to others.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 5:11:38 AM   
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Okay Ben I have studied the first prayer. What do you want me to do?


Just open up and talk about it. I may or may not respond.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 5:19:54 AM   
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Things that make you go hmmm? Very strange thing to bring up.


Not at all especially considering the venue. I was elaborating on what I spoke of earlier concerning containment vessels.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 5:24:36 AM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 5:31:31 AM   
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I classify anyone within any doctrine/religion that feels the need to "spread the word" to others to be an extremist of the most vile kind.

Well then you would have to include some atheist activists, too. But hey, free speech. As it seems to me, "spreading the word" (so to speak) is only a problem when the methods become excessively intrusive and/or penalties are imposed for not embracing it.

K.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 5:35:10 AM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 5:35:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Freedomdwarf1 said: "Given the stuff that is documented throughout history, there have been more than enough willful destruction of property and genocide in the name of religion and/or prejudice than accidental incidences and minor personal fall-outs.
My OH is a history buff and she says the vast majority of this was done in the name of religion - most religions."

Kirata said: "I wouldn't call an estimated 40,000,000 dead some minor personal fall-out. My advice is, go with the Chinese Communists and bet big."

You are both wrong and you are both right. Religion is a form of ideology. It doesn't matter if an ideology is secular or religious as they are simply two different expressions of the same thing: self absorption combined with the need to bully others. The problem isn't what kind of ideology (religious or secular), the problem is ideological thinking itself - the belief that you know the truth and that your truth is infallible. It is easy to spot an ideologue as they believe that their ideology is NEVER wrong. They will never accept any disputation of their ideology. If something appears to contradict their "truth," that just means you're stupid or you got your facts wrong or your source is unreliable or you're part of a conspiracy to subvert the truth or . . . )

If the ideologues in question have little or no power then they are merely amusing or irritating at most . . . but when ideologues come to real power, that is when the arrests, the torturing and the murdering begins. That is when you get the Spanish Inquisition or China's Cultural Revolution. That is when you must fear for ideologues are by nature irrational people and you know what they say about trying to reason with unreasonable people. In the end, if you are being put up against a wall to be shot, do you really care what slogan - "GLORY TO GOD!" or "POWER TO THE PEOPLE!" - is being shouted at you to justify your murder?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 5:37:15 AM   
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I classify anyone within any doctrine/religion that feels the need to "spread the word" to others to be an extremist of the most vile kind.

Well then you would have to include some atheist activists, too. But hey, free speech. As it seems to me, "spreading the word" (so to speak) is only a problem when the methods become excessively intrusive and/or penalties are imposed for not embracing it.

K.


Yep. I'll go with that premise too.
But there again, what would you consider as "excessively intrusive"??
Personally, I abhor anyone that shouts it out in public or within earshot of myself.
I seriously do not want to hear it.
I'm all for people following their own shit as long as they don't try to impose their own beliefs onto other people.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 6:00:20 AM   
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Personally, I abhor anyone that shouts it out in public or within earshot of myself.
I seriously do not want to hear it.


Yeah, it is really annoying to be grooving to some Floyd while you're driving down the street and you get your groove shattered by a bunch of fundie loons on the corner screeching about how their loving merciful god is going to burn you forever if you don't do what he says (but remember . . . you have free will, the choice is yours, no pressure). Fortunately, our local group of Jesus freaks only comes out during the warm months and then only when it isn't raining . . . apparently, my immortal soul is worth saving from an eternity in the Hell Fires of Damnation - but not if they're going to catch a cold while doing it.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 6:08:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		St. Bridget of Sweden, I dedicate my words to you, to your memory, and ask it be anointed through the son Jesus, to his Father. The second to the three within the Trinity who came to bring us life. To bring freedom, healing and peace to the world. In this short time here at the height of his life, it was taken. Sent knowing, his life would be taken in the end to save us. 5475 blows were inflicted upon his body, he was rejected by the world and yet he still saved. I put your teaching first, above all things, as you asked, follow the laws the Father told, to honor this is a recipe for peace. It is not an easy road, yet I still walk it, because each mountain conquered by the straight and narrow of your teaching brings rewards no words can express. It is not of human language.  I continue even when I encounter Judas, I continue even with sadness or despair because the respect I give you as been honored by enlightenment. May we be remembered, for what you encountered here, and may others continue to be blessed by passing the gift of the knowledge You have gave me Lord. TO share with those who may have never known you, like a bright angel, the light is turned on inside of them.
Amen.

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