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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 9:28:44 AM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 9:30:33 AM   
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All morality requires is a little empathy.


This is not factually correct.

That is entirely correct. Sorry.
Or are you going to claim that everybody with no religion is out acting like a violently immoral cunt all the time, while nobody who believes in a God has ever stoned a woman to death or picketed a funeral?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 9:34:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

All morality requires is a little empathy.


This is not factually correct.

That is entirely correct. Sorry.
Or are you going to claim that everybody with no religion is out acting like a violently immoral cunt all the time, while nobody who believes in a God has ever stoned a woman to death or picketed a funeral?


I have already answered your question.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 9:37:58 AM   
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Substantiate your fact, then: demonstrate why it's a fact rather than an opinion.


I am not obligated to do so.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 10:55:05 AM   
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I read about bilocation. Fascinating. That explains a few things.  Thank you. I was very addicted to reasoning. I would drive myself crazy with it.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 2:16:34 PM   
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Thank you. I was very addicted to reasoning. I would drive myself crazy with it.


What you've described sounds like it could be cognitive dissonance, I think I mentioned that before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Basically your brain wants your worldview to at least be internally consistent, believing contradictory things causes stress and discomfort. Ergo having an understanding of the universe that's all fucked up without the tool set to reason your way out of it is going to be really awful.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 2:59:28 PM   
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That is entirely correct. Sorry.
Or are you going to claim that everybody with no religion is out acting like a violently immoral cunt all the time, while nobody who believes in a God has ever stoned a woman to death or picketed a funeral?


Keep in mind that humanists and extreme fundimentalists have two very different ways of determining what is moral. We're going to base our decisions about right and wrong on the consequences (what's the harm; what's the benifit).

Fundies don't do that, their morality is about rule following. If god says to murder your child then murding your child is good and not murdering your child is evil. It's a morality divorced from reality, so BM may well think you're an immoral cunt all the time that you're not oppressing gays.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 3:16:35 PM   
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I appreciate the information. I do.
Now tell me what I need to reason?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 3:21:58 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 3:43:54 PM   
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FR

Ducks always paddle, but typewriters are seldom made out of chocolate.


Ducks do not paddle when they dive and although typewriters are seldom made of chocolate they could be.

Weeeee -diculous I say. You have to come up with something better then that.

Someone took a goofy pill.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 3:52:20 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:03:04 PM   
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"Actually, you're talking complete bollocks. aren't you?"

And the OMBBE said,

"Yes.
But nobody notices it
If I speak very slowly
And in really short phrases
And mangle the English language
But in a poetic-sounding way"


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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:05:55 PM   
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I don't think two butterflies would be a good snack for a mongoose either but here's a pretty picture




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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:10:37 PM   
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Keep in mind that humanists and extreme fundimentalists have two very different ways of determining what is moral. We're going to base our decisions about right and wrong on the consequences (what's the harm; what's the benifit).

Fundies don't do that, their morality is about rule following. If god says to murder your child then murding your child is good and not murdering your child is evil. It's a morality divorced from reality, so BM may well think you're an immoral cunt all the time that you're not oppressing gays.

Whether or not any benefits obtain from a rule-following morality depends entirely on what the rules are. Following a set of rules without giving consideration to their impact on the lives of others certainly has only a very slim chance of contributing to the general happiness. But, that is hardly a criticism of rule-based moralities per se.

Rules can be improved when they are not believed to be carved in stone as "God's will." So you are casting away the baby with the bathwater here, and adopting instead a consequentialist ethic that is deeply flawed. Basing judgments about right and wrong on the consequences of actions enshrines the principle that ends justify means.

I don't think so, and neither does anyone else in their right mind.

K.


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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:32:06 PM   
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"Boy aren't you cold and if you keep pulling on that thing it will fall off.

Ahhhh haaaaaa has aaa has aaa

Sorry Ben I just couldn't help it.
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

The Child said to the Old Man with the Beard and Bushy Eyebrows,

"Actually, you're talking complete bollocks. aren't you?"

And the OMBBE said,

"Yes.
But nobody notices it
If I speak very slowly
And in really short phrases
And mangle the English language
But in a poetic-sounding way"



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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 4:51:15 PM   
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having an understanding of the universe that's all fucked up without the tool set to reason your way out of it is going to be really awful.

Reason can also, and with equal facility, lead us to an understanding of things that is all fucked up.

K.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 5:19:36 PM   
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The problem isn't what kind of ideology (religious or secular), the problem is ideological thinking itself - the belief that you know the truth and that your truth is infallible.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

K.


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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 5:21:44 PM   
chatterbox24


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Good night Ben
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

having an understanding of the universe that's all fucked up without the tool set to reason your way out of it is going to be really awful.

Reason can also, and with equal facility, lead us to an understanding of things that is all fucked up.

K.



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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 5:56:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
That is entirely correct. Sorry.
Or are you going to claim that everybody with no religion is out acting like a violently immoral cunt all the time, while nobody who believes in a God has ever stoned a woman to death or picketed a funeral?


Keep in mind that humanists and extreme fundimentalists have two very different ways of determining what is moral. We're going to base our decisions about right and wrong on the consequences (what's the harm; what's the benifit).

Fundies don't do that, their morality is about rule following. If god says to murder your child then murding your child is good and not murdering your child is evil. It's a morality divorced from reality, so BM may well think you're an immoral cunt all the time that you're not oppressing gays.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/8/2014 6:02:53 PM   
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I really wish humanity would grow up and grow out of childhood fairy tails.


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