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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/9/2014 6:24:21 PM

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I was NOT talking about a conflict of interest, although that does seem to be your 'buzz-phrase' of the moment.

I recall mentioning the expression only once.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/9/2014 7:35:27 PM

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Great control mechanism!

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/9/2014 8:22:33 PM

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Marc...........I would say it HAS to be extended trolling. Surely nobody can have a serious belief in the shit this 'SeaFoodBread' is spouting ? Could they ?

Ya'd like ta think that, wouldn't ya? Alas, a quick perusal of human history quickly disabuses one of that notion.

SeaFoodBread ?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/9/2014 8:29:25 PM

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Seafood Bread was something we had on the menu at a restaurant I worked in once..........the waiters just used to put the initials down (SFB) and for the first few times I thought they were calling the customes Shit For Brains

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/9/2014 8:31:20 PM

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Hence, these days, my slave, my son and I all call people of this ilk 'Sea Food Bread' ........A private joke that can be said outr loud and rarely causes offence. In this case though, I really don't give a rat's ass

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/9/2014 8:44:43 PM

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But then SFB, you recognise nonsense so easily because basically that is all you have been spruiking. Australia provably exists. So do I .........I just checked. your god doesn't and your bible is a load of old cobblers too.
your god, at best, if he existed at all, would be a disgusting, perverted, soulless piece of crap that no sane person would allow within the known universe

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/9/2014 8:50:29 PM

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Anyway, that's my lot. I keep having to take a shower every time I look at the slime this SeaFoodBread keeps writing and I have other things to do that are more interesting, like watching paint dry or maybe watching the grass grow. So I hope you all have a great and godless day.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/9/2014 9:28:04 PM

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Following a set of rules without giving consideration to their impact on the lives of others certainly has only a very slim chance of contributing to the general happiness.

Yep.

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Rules can be improved when they are not believed to be carved in stone as "God's will."

Yep.

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So you are casting away the baby with the bathwater here, and adopting instead a consequentialist ethic that is deeply flawed.

Nope.

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judgments about right and wrong on the consequences of actions enshrines the principle that ends justify means.

Nope.

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Not directed at K. Those of you will know when anger wells up in you and you begin to wallow in your vile words.

It sure sounds like you're talking about K, it's the reason I blocked him.

I expect this is a good example of the issues with only listening to information that's what you want to hear. Kirata has expressed a misinformed idea of consequentialism (standard behavior for him) but it's not as though you've checked right? You've just believed him that there's a problem with my position because it's what you want to hear, haven't you?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/9/2014 10:02:58 PM

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Keep in mind that humanists and extreme fundimentalists have two very different ways of determining what is moral. We're going to base our decisions about right and wrong on the consequences (what's the harm; what's the benifit).

you are casting away the baby with the bathwater here, and adopting instead a consequentialist ethic that is deeply flawed. Basing judgments about right and wrong on the consequences of actions enshrines the principle that ends justify means.

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Nope... Nope...

Kirata has expressed a misinformed idea of consequentialism (standard behavior for him)

Consequentialism is the class of normative ethical theories holding that the consequences of one's conduct are the ultimate basis for any judgement about the rightness or wrongness of that conduct. ~Source

K.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/9/2014 10:05:41 PM

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Believing in God is far from being an extremist.

Depends, yes there are lots of Christians who aren't extremists however when one is ranting about the satanic practices of liberals as part of a 40 page ramble to themselves...

Are you feeling guilty about something? Do you feel persecuted? Why must the voice be silenced?

I don't want you silenced, people like you are great for atheism. By all means rant incoherently as much as possible and if you could find some time to scream nonsense on street corners I'd consider it a personal favor.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/9/2014 11:05:02 PM

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it's the reason I blocked him.

I think the real reason is becoming fairly evident.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/10/2014 12:55:55 AM

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Tell me what the opposite of Love and Hate are (one-word) and you will know what I mean.

Sounds like the bipolar model I spoke of earlier.

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Australia provably exists.

Yes, and so the matter hinges on whether or not metaphysical objects exist.

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Hence, these days, my slave, my son and I ...

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your god, at best, if he existed at all, would be a disgusting, perverted, soulless piece of crap that no sane person would allow within the known universe

If you are a moral person, then my conclusion is you found God inadvertently and have yet to figure it out. Inadvertent discovery of God is not the goal, however. It is low tech.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/10/2014 1:15:52 AM

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... Are you feeling guilty about something? Do you feel persecuted? Why must the voice be silenced?

I don't want you silenced, people like you are great for atheism. By all means rant incoherently as much as possible and if you could find some time to scream nonsense on street corners I'd consider it a personal favor.

It seems that you GotSteel have since recovered because earlier I was tempted to present you with a Dune quote, one of my infamous Dune quotes.

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http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dune_(film)

Alia Atreides: I am a messenger from Muad'Dib. Poor Emperor. I'm afraid my brother won't be very pleased with you.

Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV: Silence!

Reverand Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam: Kill this child. She's an abomination. Kill her! (groans then yells at Alia) Get out of my mind!

Alia: (using the Voice) Not until you tell them both who I really am!

Reverand Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam: (weakly) Alia, daughter of Duke Leto the Just and the royal lady Jessica. Sister... of Paul... Muad'Dib.

Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV: Paul's sister?! Paul is Muad'Dib?!

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/10/2014 3:04:29 AM

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your god, at best, if he existed at all, would be a disgusting, perverted, soulless piece of crap that no sane person would allow within the known universe

I can relate to what you are saying. I do not blame God, however. I know that He is good. I have an ax to grind with the Mormon church, however. The difficulty they are going to face is that they are not the Catholic Church and I am going to be a very powerful person. Given what my future social status is going to be, whatever I put in an autobiography will be something that will be remembered for a very long time. Whoever messes with me is going to have egg on their face. Having that much power is going to be a novel experience. It naturally frightens me.

Was it all according to the Divine Plan? In the presence of great Evil, great Goodness is needed. For the sake of discussion suppose that Jacque Fresco is a great man. In a sense he is. He too has observed that the world is an evil place and he devoted his life to improve the human condition which is admirable. Is his approach misguided? Yes, but it cannot be said that the man has not tried. He has known suffering of the sort I personally can relate to. I feel empathy for the man.

The problem is great goodness was needed on his part because someone else failed to be good. It seems unjust. In his documentary Future by Design he talks about this, about people who failed him and the world. The problem often with money is that you often have it in abundance when you need it least.

It is possible I will become a very generous man. Yet, I am faced with a constraint. There is no way to directly save others. It is something that must be approached indirectly. You can improve their circumstances, but this isn't the same thing as saving them. Improvement in circumstances does not make men worthy. Some things a man must achieve on his own. Man unfortunately in many circumstances must learn the hard way and the Truth is at the edge or just out of what can be comprehended by the human mind. I know because I reached the edge.

It is right and just, to chose good over evil regardless of whether it feels that way or not. Ultimately, perhaps I have no quarrel with the Mormons, but my inclination is to first demand my pound of flesh from them for that too will be right and just.

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Priest: The Lord be with you.
People: And with your spirit.
Priest: Lift up your hearts.
People: We lift them up to the Lord.
Priest: Let us give thanks to the Lord our God.
People: It is right and just.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/10/2014 3:32:18 AM

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Why do I post here? Though I affirm the nobility of man, I am dishonoring the world. You can benefit from my work only vicariously. Get your act together.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/10/2014 3:41:02 AM

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Consider the circumstances of the birth of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Did it affirm or dishonor the Satanic principalities of this world?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/10/2014 3:57:28 AM

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I have in a small way reenacted the Passion of Christ. May my reenactment be pleasing to Him.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/10/2014 4:09:37 AM

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I just wish people like Marc2b were just actors playing a part though. As chatterbox24 might say you are just too smart. Smart enough to be dumb.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/10/2014 4:18:23 AM

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IF this is blind, give me a cane. Now dance away Devil before I use it.

The devil did not listen and paid no heed.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/10/2014 4:30:08 AM

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Why didn't the devil pay heed? The devil isn't into superstition and was too busy practicing magick, the power of positive thinking saying, I can wallow in the mud, but as long as I am thinking positively about it, realizing that I know the truth "the secret", I can rise above it as if I were Christ.

Only with the power of Christ can you do this.

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