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Because the whole separate church/state thing is comparatively new, and legal marriage far predates it.
There's a long historic macroeconomic answer as well, but this thread is clouded enough as it is.
Not as much as you think. The separation of church and state started coming about in the reformation, where nation states, tired of the domination of the church in their affairs, supported the break away protestants like Luther, and this started roughly in the 17th century or so (actually late 16th),and while it wasn't exactly a clean break, it was a start.
As far as legal marriage goes, one thing that is a bald faced lie is that marriage is this ancient institution that in effect all couples partook of. The reality is that for a really long time, the only people who got married routinely were nobility and those with money, primarily because of making sure titles and property were inherited properly. It wasn't until roughly around 1600 that people started marrying in any numbers,when thanks to changing times more people had property and things for someone to inherit. Before that, most people simply paired off, had families and didn't bother with formally getting married, it is why common law marriage came into being. It is one of the reasons the whole argument about marriage being a sacred thing versus a civic thing is a bald faced lie, if the importance of it was in the sacred, why did so few people do it?Basically, since formal marriage came about (roughly 1100's), very few people bothered to use it until they had something to protect, which meant they felt it was important for its legal rights more than for the moral one.
Romans married and their were laws about it, just as much for the plebs as for the nobility. So I don't know what you're babblin about. Like marriage is a thing neo christians invented you make it seem. BULLCRACKER. About any people had rules about it so that states a law.
What I wrote was history. In Roman times ordinary people, the plebes, more than likely were not formally married because they had no reason to.The well off would do it to have their property and inherited titles protected, but the common people for the most part never formally married. It wasn't that formal marriage didn't exist, it is that ordinary people didn't bother. After the fall of rome, peasants didn't bother getting married, and the Catholic Church did not even have a formal ritual of marriage until the 900's, and didn't require people who wanted to formally marry to do it in the church until the 11th century. Every book on the history of marriage, written by scholars and historians, has pointed out that the only people who generally bothered to get married (I am talking legal marriage here, mind you) were the well off and nobility, who had a reason to get legal recognition. Most common people simply paired off and had families, and they didn't have any property to speak of, given that most of them tenant farmed on feudal estates and such and didn't have much property to protect. Ever wonder where common law marriage came from? The reality is that marriage's driving force wasn't God or some form of sacredness, despite what the church claims, it was because people wanted the legal protections that marriage granted, whether it was titles or inherited wealth. You can tell me bull hockey, but I have read the books on it, and every one of them confirms it, and they put to the lie the Faux News/GOP drivel on marriage.
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