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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 6:19:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is a very good question. One I don't know the answer too at this time. I am not a radical though, and will not join or participate in things that teeter in that direction SOOO I highly doubt it. I don't want to be banned from practicing what I believe.

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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 6:25:53 AM   
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But I also think our definitions of religion are worthless, because in the final analysis they mostly devolve into being anything any nut can get a dozen or so people to believe.

You do realize, don't you, that EVERY religion starts this way*

e.g. Jesus and the Apostles

Well that's an interesting view. Why do you think Christ was a "nut"?

K.




Nut was YOUR word not mine. And in the time period in which he lived he was considered, by many people, to be a "nut" as YOU say. His perspective was NOT universally accepted or even tolerated at all. In your reading of history do you feel he was accepted/tolerated by anyone other than his followers during his lifetime. If you do, you have a unique read on the historical account - even that of the Bible itself.


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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 6:43:51 AM   
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I am going to go out on a limb here, Yachtie, you may need to get more popcorn ( hearing distant chainsaws)
This may anger a few people, or a lot. What does antigay mean to you? You may think that I am anti gay. I will not be one to vote for gay marriage. If I vote as such, it means I believe that it is okay. Its none of my business who one loves, and nor their sexual practices. It is your right. I can be friends, I can treat you with respect, but I can not vote that I want it to be all accepting. Most likely it will be voted in by the majority in the future, it will not be an issue anymore. I can tell you this though, I would never watch nor participate nor allow, if within my power, anyone giving you grief or hurting you. That is unacceptable, and any group or individual who does this, should be stopped or prosecuted. Is this anti gay to you?



Back about a year ago (I think), this was a hot topic on the boards.

My contention was that marriage was the purview of religion but that I supported the idea of civil unions.

I was decried as a homophobe.

It's mind-boggling.





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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 7:04:31 AM   
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But I also think our definitions of religion are worthless, because in the final analysis they mostly devolve into being anything any nut can get a dozen or so people to believe.

You do realize, don't you, that EVERY religion starts this way*

e.g. Jesus and the Apostles

Well that's an interesting view. Why do you think Christ was a "nut"?

K.




Nut was YOUR word not mine. And in the time period in which he lived he was considered, by many people, to be a "nut" as YOU say. His perspective was NOT universally accepted or even tolerated at all. In your reading of history do you feel he was accepted/tolerated by anyone other than his followers during his lifetime. If you do, you have a unique read on the historical account - even that of the Bible itself.


You gave Jesus and the Apostles as an example (e.g.) of his claim, in fact emphasizing the point that every religion starts this way (your statement, not mine), Jesus and crew a prime example in your view.

So in fact, you certainly embraced the word, without question, until you were further pressed on the matter.

I think it's you who have a unique read on language. Unfortunately, if you choose to communicate using it, people will read it as having the established meanings.

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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 7:10:44 AM   
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You gave Jesus and the Apostles as an example (e.g.) of his claim, in fact emphasizing the point that every religion starts this way (your statement, not mine), Jesus and crew a prime example in your view.

So in fact, you certainly embraced the word, without question, until you were further pressed on the matter.

I think it's you who have a unique read on language. Unfortunately, if you choose to communicate using it, people will read it as having the established meanings.


Provide me evidence that a majority of people a the time Jesus lived did NOT find him to be a nut….and good luck with that.

And yes, I stand by my statement that every religion starts with a person (nut, crazy, visionary - pick a word - it actually doesn't matter) and a small group of followers. No religion starts out being widely accepted by everyone automatically. Point me to one that gained automatic universal acceptance. Name me ONE.

p.s. to say Jesus was universally accepted in his lifetime is to seriously misconstrue the Bible itself. It is astounding to me what some of you are trying to say. You aren't willing to accept the written history of Jesus as documented in the New Testament. Bizarre.

Here is one starting place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rejection_of_Jesus






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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 7:12:55 AM   
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So in my opinion, for whatever may be worth, no teaching or practice that serves to divide creation, to separate man from Nature, or to set him against his neighbor, can properly be called religious.

K.

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This definition does not even encompass Christianity or Islam. Are you saying neither Christianity nor Islam is a religion? And if you are saying that two of the major belief systems on the face of this planet are not actually religions then you are suggesting that over 50% of the world's population is claiming something as a religion that should not be. And who exactly are YOU to dictate that.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the definition that is Constitutionally accepted in the U.S. One that embraces all religions and belief systems. The goal is to find a way to peacefully co-exist while still trying to preserve some protections for the religious. Your definition does NOT accomplish that. You're telling over 50% of the world's populations that their entire belief system is NOT a religion. How very tolerant of you!


I find it interesting that you have not bothered to respond to the fact that your definition of religion does not even include Christianity or Islam. Are you, in fact, intending to exclude them?

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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 7:24:45 AM   
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You gave Jesus and the Apostles as an example (e.g.) of his claim, in fact emphasizing the point that every religion starts this way (your statement, not mine), Jesus and crew a prime example in your view.

So in fact, you certainly embraced the word, without question, until you were further pressed on the matter.

I think it's you who have a unique read on language. Unfortunately, if you choose to communicate using it, people will read it as having the established meanings.


Provide me evidence that . . .


I don't have to provide you with evidence of anything. I haven't made any claims beyond pointing out you're talking out of both sides of your mouth regarding your reply to Kirata.

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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 7:26:39 AM   
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So in my opinion, for whatever may be worth, no teaching or practice that serves to divide creation, to separate man from Nature, or to set him against his neighbor, can properly be called religious.

K.

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This definition does not even encompass Christianity or Islam. Are you saying neither Christianity nor Islam is a religion? And if you are saying that two of the major belief systems on the face of this planet are not actually religions then you are suggesting that over 50% of the world's population is claiming something as a religion that should not be. And who exactly are YOU to dictate that.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the definition that is Constitutionally accepted in the U.S. One that embraces all religions and belief systems. The goal is to find a way to peacefully co-exist while still trying to preserve some protections for the religious. Your definition does NOT accomplish that. You're telling over 50% of the world's populations that their entire belief system is NOT a religion. How very tolerant of you!


I find it interesting that you have not bothered to respond to the fact that your definition of religion does not even include Christianity or Islam. Are you, in fact, intending to exclude them?

I think it would first be up to you to show how it doesn't include those religions, both of which start with God creating man and nature, living in a Garden of Eden, which certainly constitutes a connection.

Additionally, his post makes clear he's sharing an opinion, not proposing a new entry into Websters.

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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 7:45:13 AM   
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And in the time period in which he lived he was considered, by many people, to be a "nut" as YOU say.

I didn't say he was a "nut." It was you who offered him as an example of a "nut." But leaving that aside, you're just making my point that there is no practically applicable yardstick for what actually constitutes a religion.

K.





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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 7:47:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes ya don't. Almond joy has nuts mounds don't........................

anyone remember that jingle?

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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 7:53:49 AM   
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Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes ya don't. Almond joy has nuts mounds don't........................

anyone remember that jingle?

I'm too young to remember it.

K.

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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 8:00:53 AM   
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Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes ya don't. Almond joy has nuts mounds don't........................

anyone remember that jingle?

I'm too young to remember it.

K.




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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 8:07:56 AM   
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sure sure okay me too. I looked it up on the internet

LOL



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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 9:37:17 AM   
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Then he went home; and the crowd came together again, so that they could not even eat. When his family heard it, they went out to restrain him, for people were saying, “He has gone out of his mind.”

MARK 3: 19b-21 (NRSV)


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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 10:03:43 AM   
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The definition is completely compatible with the idea that religion means different things to different people. The fact that you think it means something different suggests some intolerance on your part.

The point is, if religion can mean different things to different people YOU can't define it NARROWLY.


Well if you really believe that then you should be all over the poster that claimed....


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Not gay marriage... I am talking about gays in general...Homophobia is NOT exclusive to those who are spiritual.

Butch


You're right it's not completely exclusive, it's just almost completely exclusive to the religious.


He not only lumps "the religious" into one pot, he claims he knows how most of them feel about gays.

Of course you said in one of your first posts in this thread "And therefore, regardless of whether I, personally, need it in my life to be a good person, regardless of whether I feel religion causes harm in the world in other ways, religion is always going to be with us. The best we can do is to try and have a dialogue about how to minimize the ill effects on society as a whole"

and to me that sounds like you are not only lumping it all together but think of it as something bad that you have to minimize the ill effects of so I am not sure why you are lecturing anyone on the topic at all.

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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 10:09:26 AM   
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So in my opinion, for whatever may be worth, no teaching or practice that serves to divide creation, to separate man from Nature, or to set him against his neighbor, can properly be called religious.

K.

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This definition does not even encompass Christianity or Islam. Are you saying neither Christianity nor Islam is a religion? And if you are saying that two of the major belief systems on the face of this planet are not actually religions then you are suggesting that over 50% of the world's population is claiming something as a religion that should not be. And who exactly are YOU to dictate that.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the definition that is Constitutionally accepted in the U.S. One that embraces all religions and belief systems. The goal is to find a way to peacefully co-exist while still trying to preserve some protections for the religious. Your definition does NOT accomplish that. You're telling over 50% of the world's populations that their entire belief system is NOT a religion. How very tolerant of you!



Well I can't speak on Islam because I have never studied it, but I have been to a lot of christian churches and none of them taught us to be apart from nature or hate our neighbors so I am not sure where you are getting that.

Also, he didn't dictate anything, He gave his opinion. I know because he said so in the very beginning.

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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 10:10:51 AM   
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Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes ya don't. Almond joy has nuts mounds don't........................

anyone remember that jingle?



I do and it made me laugh...thanks

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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 10:41:29 AM   
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Then he went home; and the crowd came together again, so that they could not even eat. When his family heard it, they went out to restrain him, for people were saying, “He has gone out of his mind.”

MARK 3: 19b-21 (NRSV)



But really, he was Dominant (Mark 5:38-43):

When they came to the house of the leader of the synagogue, he saw a commotion, people weeping and wailing loudly. 39 When he had entered, he said to them, “Why do you make a commotion and weep? She is not dead but sleeping.” 40 And they laughed at him. Then he put them all outside, and took the girl’s father and mother and those who were with him, and went in where the girl was. 41 He took her by the hand and said to her, “Talitha cum,” 42 And immediately the girl began. At this they were overcome with amazement. 43 He strictly ordered them that no one should know this.

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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 10:53:59 AM   
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But really, he was Dominant (Mark 5:38-43):

Which brings to mind . . .

Making a whip of cords, he drove all of them out of the temple. (John 2: 15a)

Okay, this is getting a bit twisted.

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RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as raci... - 3/13/2014 11:57:15 AM   
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Back about a year ago (I think), this was a hot topic on the boards.

My contention was that marriage was the purview of religion but that I supported the idea of civil unions.

I was decried as a homophobe.


Yep

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Back about a year ago (I think), this was a hot topic on the boards.
It's mind-boggling.


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