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RE: Respecting Dominant Responsibility - 3/12/2014 2:13:18 PM   
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I think it's fair to remember dominance and submission has different meanings to different people.

For example, for gay men, they often refer to scene-only topping in a BDSM sense as domming, because of the confusion with sexual positions for gay men. That and the suggestion many on this board have that if you are dominant only when in the bedroom you aren't dominant at all, or if sub/bottom only when in the bedroom you're not a sub. Some people just can't handle the emotional and psychological element at all times. To be honest, I could handle being a relationship dom at all time - it would require not much alteration on my part, but sub? No I'd crack. I couldn't handle it. But when you top, you are dominant, albeit temporarily. And when you bottom, you are submissive, albeit temporarily.

I am referring to control in play, yes. D/s in a relationship would of course be different, but I'm sure these are worries these dominants too have in play.

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RE: Respecting Dominant Responsibility - 3/12/2014 2:49:36 PM   
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That's the key - that you ask about it in play. I only do it in loving relationships which makes it easier all round.

On the examples:-
- What if I don't make it good enough for the sub? It's not making it good enough for the sub. If you care for and love her and she knows that it is more about whether you have taken what you need.
- What if I seriously injure him/her? Very important. Read, learn, be cautious.
- What if I hurt them in a way they really don't like, and I scar them psychologically? Communicate before, know everything about her, loads of talking and due diligence.
- What if they won't play with me after this because of something I did? Not relevant if you do this in relationships which is nicer anyway.
- What if I hit a hard limit they didn't specify and they really hate me for it? She would probably say at the time if she's got any sense and you'd read the situation at the time.
- What if they charge me with assault, false imprisonment, rape, or something else like that? One reason it's best to do this in relationships as less likely to happen. It remains a risk unless you're in a country where men can do what they like to their wives - sadly there are far too many of those on the planet.
- How do I know when I'm pushing too hard? Watch her. Don't do too much the first few times.
- How do I know what they really need if they don't know it yet? Satisfy your own needs, not hers. Hers is probably to please you.
- How do I give them what they really deeply need? Love
- What if I get lost in the emotion of the scene and seriously misjudge something? You might kill her and go to prison so be careful.
- How do I not destroy the trust they show me by letting me do this? Maintain confidentiality. Love, care.

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RE: Respecting Dominant Responsibility - 3/13/2014 7:55:54 AM   
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I believe that there is allot of responsibility, BUT I also believe that not every Dominant is responsible. Hence the back and forth as to why a sub may feel that they "carry the dynamic" or "sacrifice more".

Every dynamic or relationship does differ, some exist with or without a power exchange. As a Dominant, I see some "lazy" Dominants (both men and women) who wonder why a sub acts a particular way or is "bratty". Equally, I see very strong and responsible Dominants who take their charge of their sub very seriously.

It is not easy being a Dominant, not if you are a responsible Dominant who is passionate about living in a D/s dynamic. I also believe that work is required to have a happy and healthy relationship dynamic.

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RE: Respecting Dominant Responsibility - 3/14/2014 11:48:46 AM   
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I think my husband would say that he worried about these things in the beginning, but less and less as time goes on. Part of it is becoming accustomed to your role and part of it is building trust with your partner.

You forgot the "don't be stupid" part. Yeah, I recognize a few of those concerns myself. But man, in hindsight I want to know what sort of crack I was smoking. Psychological scarring? seriously?

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RE: Respecting Dominant Responsibility - 3/14/2014 12:03:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

You forgot the "don't be stupid" part. Yeah, I recognize a few of those concerns myself. But man, in hindsight I want to know what sort of crack I was smoking. Psychological scarring? seriously?


Yeah, that's where I'm at. My husband keeps being reluctant to take stuff as far as I want him too, because he's worried about causing lasting psychological damage...

I keep pointing out to him that human beings have been non-consensually torturing each other for millennia now, and that in the vast majority of cases, the worst psychological state that's left over from such an experience is 'pissed off at torturer' not 'scarred for life'. (Not saying emotional scarring isn't possible, but historically, especially for non-Western cultures, it hasn't been the norm for human beings, we're much more prone to adaptation instead.) From that point of view, I really can't see getting any lasting damage from a mutually-consensual-experiment-between-loving-parties-that-accidentally-goes-wrong-with-the-Top-continiously-caring-about-the-bottoms-wellfare-and-trying-to-make-it-right.

Come on, I'm not THAT fragile that somebody who cares for my general wellbeing accidentally pushing over my limits -either mentally or physically- when I explicitly invited him to will fuck me up for life... and I bet neither is Carol.

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RE: Respecting Dominant Responsibility - 3/14/2014 12:41:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
Yeah, that's where I'm at. My husband keeps being reluctant to take stuff as far as I want him too, because he's worried about causing lasting psychological damage...

Make him name it. In the same vein as "pics or it didn't happen", if he cannot construct even one plausible scenario for this alleged psychological damage then it obviously is made up fluff. At least... that's the rule I made for myself.

In my own head I noted that I tended to skip a few steps between "loving, mutually supportive relationship" and "bizarre psychological damage"... kind of like this comic:



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RE: Respecting Dominant Responsibility - 3/14/2014 1:23:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pg4g

This is something I've been thinking about recently, and I want to share, and perhaps get different perspectives.

For a long time, I always thought "the sub is truly the stronger of the two". They endure something for their dominant, they are confident enough in their dom to trust their will, believe in them, care about them. But recently I've experienced more of the other side of the kneel, and I have to say, I... feel newfound respect for the responsibility and worries that a dominant may feel.


Sounds to me like you are serious about aspects that many dominants and submissives are not. That's a good thing.

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For example:
- What if I don't make it good enough for the sub?


As someone else noted, that is not really your main job. Whether in play or in relating to each other, your responsibility is holding up your end of the bargain. If you are playing with your submissive in a way that they have stated is agreeable and enjoyable to them and it is agreeable and enjoyable to you, then venturing into new...at the very least discussed...territory is new to you both and what happens there is what happens. Retain control and remain in communication and know when it is going south and what to do when it does is what your responsibility is. Learning how far to take the wave is a responsible act on your part. BUT the idea that all the enjoyment for the submissive in play or in the relationship is dependant on the dominant is wrong...they are an adult and they are part of the equation.

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- What if I seriously injure him/her?


Try to avoid it but mistakes do happen. And they sometimes happen EVEN WHEN you are being responsible and watching and listening. Once it does, take care of the problem. Don't get caught up in the "OMG!", get caught up in the "let's make this right". Again, communication and level of knowledge about the submissive...and the area you are delving into...are key.

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- What if I hurt them in a way they really don't like, and I scar them psychologically?


Again, mistakes happen. I have gripped parts too strongly, I have left a lash mark where it shouldn't be, I made someone bleed when they did not want to (and I did not want them to). Remember there is a power rush going on for you and that sometimes pushes things too far on your side BUT also remember that some things happen because you are human and so is your partner. As someone else noted, the same flogging they LOVED getting from another partner and so described to you so that you could repeat it may not be as "lovely" coming from you as their memory of it with another is.

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- What if they won't play with me after this because of something I did?

After you have made sure they are alright and you have apologized and you have "debriefed" (with a possible "what would you do next time" speculation), it really is their choice. If they decide no, then you suck it up and move on. You cannot force play on someone. If you are talking about the relationship, then some harder questions need to be faced but...IMHOO...how long do you want to be in a relationship that goes from D/s to strictly vanilla? How long a "time-out" is being asked for? Etc, etc, etc.

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- What if I hit a hard limit they didn't specify and they really hate me for it?

Tough call here. If they did not specify it, how are you to know it? Given the ones they have given you, I suppose you could ask them when you are approaching something that is even faintly similar. If I plan...or think...of something new to try, I can guarantee you that there has been discussion of the "thing" long before I do it. I have a pretty clear idea going into play what is going to be accepted and what will not be, whether it is the first time or the 10th time or the 20th time. BUT again, that is due to communication, both in and out of play.

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- What if they charge me with assault, false imprisonment, rape, or something else like that?

KNOW your partner. My own scare related to this has been gone over by me before and it came down to "Me dominant...Me male...Me need control and pain and pussy". Didn't go so well.... So...KNOW them. Even with that, have a good lawyer at your disposal who knows your "predilections" (love that word!)

quote:

- How do I know when I'm pushing too hard?

The submissive passing out, gushing blood, vomiting profusely would all be clues but on a more serious level, I always up the communication...verbal and touch...the farther I go. Even though safewords have been discussed beforehand, there is a level of subspace that some submissives get to where they will deny the need to use their safeword. Then, it is up to you to look at the signs present. And again, know the submissive you are playing with. It NEVER, EVER hurts to have some idea of how the submissive has reacted in these types of situations before.

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- How do I know what they really need if they don't know it yet?

Communication again...and exploration with communication...and knowledge of your submissive and yourself through communication

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- How do I give them what they really deeply need?

Listen---learn how to do it---explore---be patient

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- What if I get lost in the emotion of the scene and seriously misjudge something?

As someone else noted, be aware of the power rush. Keep thinking with that intelligent head and not the emotional one. keep thinking with the cerebral and not the physical. Pay attention to the one on the receiving end as to HOW they are receiving. And remember...you are human and mistakes are going to happen. But if they are happening too often, then you need to step back and develop your control.

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- How do I not destroy the trust they show me by letting me do this?
By not going into areas that have not been discussed broadly, by making yourself aware of techniques that cover those areas, by gaining knowledge of how to do certain things and...again...communicating with your partner. Someone else said on their post that their are times for surprises and there are those times when a surprise is NOT welcome. If you have NEVER discussed golden showers and you just suddenly take them into the shower (they're thinking you're going to help bathe them because they are kind of out of it from the subspace and "aren't you nice"?) and just suddenly piss on them...especially in the welted areas...I have a feeling it is not going to be quite as "lovely" as it was on your way into the shower.

These are worries I felt deeply, and I have to say, for those who are dominant at all times, I have to say I have new found respect.

Do you think that these are issues your dominant does, or should be, worrying about?
Or if you a dominant, do you identify with any of these, and how do you overcome these worries if you do identify with them?

I think the fact that you are worried at all shows sense and responsibility on your part.

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RE: Respecting Dominant Responsibility - 3/14/2014 5:00:03 PM   
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I'll give it a shot.
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ORIGINAL: pg4g

This is something I've been thinking about recently, and I want to share, and perhaps get different perspectives.

For a long time, I always thought "the sub is truly the stronger of the two". They endure something for their dominant, they are confident enough in their dom to trust their will, believe in them, care about them. But recently I've experienced more of the other side of the kneel, and I have to say, I... feel newfound respect for the responsibility and worries that a dominant may feel.

I still think subs are the stronger of the two. I'm an entire wuss in comparison.

quote:

For example:
- What if I don't make it good enough for the sub?

This one I don't worry about so much. I really am a decent top. I don't know why. I'm just good at it.

quote:

- What if I seriously injure him/her?

OK, this one has worried Me. I really do live in the middle of nowhere. There was no "after hours" emergency care here for a long time. This is bad because I'm an edge player. Fire, blood, electricity...... I don't care who you are. It's always possible that something could go wrong.

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- What if I hurt them in a way they really don't like, and I scar them psychologically?

I happen to like fear and mind fucks. You can prevent harm by doing your research.


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- What if they won't play with me after this because of something I did?

Do they love you? They will.

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- What if I hit a hard limit they didn't specify and they really hate me for it?

Rule #1. Don't go to dark places before talking.

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- What if they charge me with assault, false imprisonment, rape, or something else like that?

I honestly think that men have to worry about this more than I do.

quote:

- How do I know when I'm pushing too hard?

If you're good, you'll feel it.

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- How do I know what they really need if they don't know it yet?

You'll know. Their body will respond.

quote:

- How do I give them what they really deeply need?

That one takes time. Just let it happen. They'll tell you. Maybe not in words so much, but if you're listening, you'll hear it.

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- What if I get lost in the emotion of the scene and seriously misjudge something?

You won't. You'll still know they are the priority. Sure, you're going to zoom like you are going to the moon after you know they are safe, but you'll do that first.

quote:

- How do I not destroy the trust they show me by letting me do this?

You won't. If you're a good human being inside, you won't harm them.

quote:

These are worries I felt deeply, and I have to say, for those who are dominant at all times, I have to say I have new found respect.

Unlike others, I will say I have weight on My shoulders.

But it's so worth it.

This past weekend, I had the best scene of My entire life. I, literally, watched a man's tear ducts open. Not from pain. It was all about energy transference and, somehow, it was the most incredible thing I ever did in the BDSM sense.

His words. Not Mine......

I think that was the most intense feeling of submission I've ever had. I couldn't really express it at the time because you turned me into a semi-verbal puddle. I'd have crawled over a mile of broken glass to curl up at your feet after that.


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