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egern -> taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 7:29:10 AM)


"Court Says Secretly Taking a Photo Up a Woman’s Skirt Not a Crime"

"Secretly taking a picture up a woman’s skirt without her knowing is a definite violation of good taste and manners. Unfortunately, it appears that such conduct isn’t actually a crime, at least, not according to a Massachusetts judge who has ruled the action does not violate the state’s “Peeping Tom” law.

According to ThinkProgress, the state’s Supreme Judicial Court came to the decision after a man was arrested for taking multiple pictures of women on the subway, which the judge agreed was tasteless but not definitively illegal, since the act of being out in public apparently negates any belief that she should expect privacy."
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The lawyer defending the photographer said his client’s actions were an expression of free speech,"

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/court-says-secretly-taking-a-photo-up-a-womans-skirt-not-a-crime.html#ixzz2vfFrWLzg

Is it a crime to photograph up a woman's skirts? Is it free speech? That last one made me speechless..




sexyred1 -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 7:33:44 AM)

How ludicrous.

But also how pathetic is someone who resorts to that.



LadyConstanze -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 7:39:11 AM)

I thought the reasons why mobiles make a sound when you take a picture was the fact that too many idiots tried to do upskirt shots, so the sound will alert the women (who then can slap the snot out of the person who attempt the upskirt shot)



angelikaJ -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 7:57:29 AM)

As of March 7th, it is no longer legal.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/justice/massachusetts-upskirt-bill/

Bill banning upskirt photos signed into law last Friday by Governor Patrick.
The bill was passed by the Massachusetts legislature, March 6th, one day after the court ruling.

edit: clarity



PeonForHer -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 9:16:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I thought the reasons why mobiles make a sound when you take a picture was the fact that too many idiots tried to do upskirt shots, so the sound will alert the women (who then can slap the snot out of the person who attempt the upskirt shot)


I heard that, too. But it's pretty easy to silence them, regardless.



MercTech -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 9:35:33 AM)

The Politics & Religion category hashed this one out a week ago.

The Mass law was written with restrictive wording that made it unlawful to take pictures of "nude or partially nude" by stealth. Since the upskirt pictures were taken in a public venue of fully clothed victims the judge had to rule it didn't apply to the pervy perp.

The reporters hadn't put down there prompting sheets before the law was being changed. The revised law was passed three days ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/justice/massachusetts-upskirt-bill/



LadyConstanze -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 9:42:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I thought the reasons why mobiles make a sound when you take a picture was the fact that too many idiots tried to do upskirt shots, so the sound will alert the women (who then can slap the snot out of the person who attempt the upskirt shot)


I heard that, too. But it's pretty easy to silence them, regardless.



I wouldn't know, since I don't attempt upskirt pics, I didn't even put my mobile into your generously displayed cleavage or up your shorts ;)



jlf1961 -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 9:46:21 AM)

Okay this is free speech but posting revenge porn on the internet isnt?



LadyConstanze -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 9:51:31 AM)

Have I mentioned how happy I am that they threw the book at the ****** running revenge porn?



PeonForHer -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 9:53:14 AM)

You're weird. [:D]



LadyConstanze -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 9:58:47 AM)

Are you taking the piss?



egern -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 10:47:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

As of March 7th, it is no longer legal.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/justice/massachusetts-upskirt-bill/

Bill banning upskirt photos signed into law last Friday by Governor Patrick.
The bill was passed by the Massachusetts legislature, March 6th, one day after the court ruling.

edit: clarity




Good for Massachusetts, however not in all states, including Florida



egern -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 10:51:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Have I mentioned how happy I am that they threw the book at the ****** running revenge porn?



Looked it up, hadn't seen that.



PeonForHer -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 11:06:51 AM)

Yes. [:)]



theshytype -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 11:17:10 AM)

Might as well just walk around naked since what's underneath the clothing is apparently open to the public and all.
What an idiot judge.



LadyConstanze -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 12:06:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: theshytype

Might as well just walk around naked since what's underneath the clothing is apparently open to the public and all.
What an idiot judge.


I wouldn't say so, judge is bound by the law, but he or she did at least poke the right people to have it changed!



MercTech -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 12:08:04 PM)

How about through clothing photography? I don't think that has been addressed in law.

Sony Nightshot.
When the camera came out it was found the infrared capability made it able to see through clothing. Then there was a rash of teen HNGs trolling the supermarket trying for tit shots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfwPdOTAHZ8
http://sex.omg-facts.com/Sex+Facts/In-1998-Sony-accidently-sold-700-000-cam/465

Still an issue:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=126782

You can buy or modify to get the "through clothing" function
http://gizmodo.com/5794514/pervert-alert-this-camera-can-see-through-clothes

Most CCD elements (the part of the digital camera that actually sees the light) will actually resolve both visible light and infrared. When you combine both visible and infrared, you can pull out a body image through normal clothing. The IR component is removed in most cameras by filters, either physical or software or both. Physical filters can be removed and software hacked. There are instructions out on the internet for weekend projects to turn your cheap digital camera into an IR camera.

BTW, the FLIR camera that law enforcement uses have the visible light capability filtered out so they can't see through your clothing. But, some "night vision goggles" can.

The IR cameras designed for firefighters to locate hot spots capable of refash give a good image through clothing too. In the model we had, way back when, you cold even tell male from female through bunker gear. The groin of a female appears as bright white. In males the groin showed the same temperature as the belly.




theshytype -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 12:32:36 PM)

Actually, some states do include "through clothing" as verbiage under peeping Tom.



kalikshama -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 12:41:54 PM)

quote:

As of March 7th, it is no longer legal.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/justice/massachusetts-upskirt-bill/

Bill banning upskirt photos signed into law last Friday by Governor Patrick.
The bill was passed by the Massachusetts legislature, March 6th, one day after the court ruling.


Yay for my state for moving so quickly!



ARIES83 -> RE: taking photographs up a skirt is free speech? (3/11/2014 5:21:24 PM)

It is in bad taste, although rather harmless. I could think of a lot worse.
Does anyone know if there are legalities around taking photos of peoples faces in public without their consent or approval in your neck of the woods?
That seems to have more tricky implications in my mind.



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