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Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/11/2014 5:12:25 PM   
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"People such as Warren Buffett get an undeserved free pass in American life. We chuckle and smile at his folksy humor. But underneath he is just a Wall Street marauder with nicer manners. Boy, are we suckers.

He likes to criticize Wall Street. But he’s part of it. He is a thief himself, a recipient and beneficiary of government bailouts. It just goes to show you that if you make a lot of money, you can get away with almost anything in this country."

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/11/2014 5:23:17 PM   
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For those of you that may not know, Matt Taibbi (mentioned in the article) is a writer for the Rolling Stone publication... and a very good writer at that.

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/15/2014 9:59:22 AM   
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yup.. no disagreement on that from me.. but then I have been saying the same things about his lies for some time now and get blasted for my view of him by his many believers who have had the wool pulled over their eyes by this sly old dog, and the media laps up his little sound bites, his little Buffettisms.. the Big Lies people believe without question simply amazes me.. not hard to be a con artist in this country.. and it seems the better a con artist you are the more successful you are.. its been said that nice people finish last.. but its honest people that finish last in this country.. lol

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/15/2014 11:09:33 AM   
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So Buffet is a ruthless, vulture capitalist...so what else is new. He's just a very, very rich one.

So was Romney and most of our secretaries of Treas. and fed chairmen. Paulsen being a most recent and fraudulent. All part and parcel of how the banking cartel runs the world.

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/15/2014 11:51:47 AM   
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So Buffet is a ruthless, vulture capitalist...so what else is new. He's just a very, very rich one.

So was Romney and most of our secretaries of Treas. and fed chairmen. Paulsen being a most recent and fraudulent. All part and parcel of how the banking cartel runs the world.

yeah.. all from the US.. the country where greed is the CULTure.. lol but why is it that so many Americans are either blind to this or apathetic? why was OWS just a flash in the pan?

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/15/2014 3:31:02 PM   
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So Buffet is a ruthless, vulture capitalist...so what else is new. He's just a very, very rich one.
So was Romney and most of our secretaries of Treas. and fed chairmen. Paulsen being a most recent and fraudulent. All part and parcel of how the banking cartel runs the world.

yeah.. all from the US.. the country where greed is the CULTure.. lol but why is it that so many Americans are either blind to this or apathetic? why was OWS just a flash in the pan?


Because the general citizenry have no say in how business runs it's business. The TEA Party has had longer legs, not because the basic message is all that different, but because it's aimed where the general citizenry can actually make a difference (government). Well, the general citizenry should be able to make a difference in government. Both groups oppose the link between Big Money and Big Government. Being a nuisance to business won't force them to listen, unless you have leverage, which OWS never had. Voters, however, have some leverage over politicians.

You want to sever ties between Wall Street and DC? It's going to have to be DC rising above being for sale that does it.


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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/15/2014 4:39:54 PM   
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quote:

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So Buffet is a ruthless, vulture capitalist...so what else is new. He's just a very, very rich one.
So was Romney and most of our secretaries of Treas. and fed chairmen. Paulsen being a most recent and fraudulent. All part and parcel of how the banking cartel runs the world.

yeah.. all from the US.. the country where greed is the CULTure.. lol but why is it that so many Americans are either blind to this or apathetic? why was OWS just a flash in the pan?


Because the general citizenry have no say in how business runs it's business. The TEA Party has had longer legs, not because the basic message is all that different, but because it's aimed where the general citizenry can actually make a difference (government). Well, the general citizenry should be able to make a difference in government. Both groups oppose the link between Big Money and Big Government. Being a nuisance to business won't force them to listen, unless you have leverage, which OWS never had. Voters, however, have some leverage over politicians.

You want to sever ties between Wall Street and DC? It's going to have to be DC rising above being for sale that does it.


Server ties is a pipe dream at best and foolish thinking at worst. Before government could ever arrive at that point, Congress has to undergo some serious re-engineering. Create the process to allow for more people to run for Congress without needing multiple millions in war chests. Remove gerrymandering by use of an amendment. After that, there is still a few hundred items to sort out. If after all of that....THEN....we as a nation could deal with Wall Street's strangle hold on DC. All those powers have much invested in keeping the status quo in place for decades to come. When President Obama came to office, he wanted to change these problems. Notice how quickly 'those with power' convinced the 'low information voter' to fight him on every front and concept within a few weeks after obtaining the nomination let alone being sworn in to office. Over time, I think he has concluded that unless Americans want real reform and changes, get a fucking clue and education, stop the petty politics, and focus on America in the new millennium....things will stay as they are.

The Affordable Care Act should have been a wake up call to conservatives in this nation since the bill past into law three years ago. The premise of that bill was actually to help those parts of the nation where obtaining decent care was impossible. Like the red states....

....The same states that fought tooth and claw to prevent anything good happening to the citizenry. The same states even now, fighting tooth and claw to prevent its own citizens from obtaining good healthcare. But, ignorance, foolishness, and plain immaturity will keep the citizens 'in line' for generations to come. Its really sad if one things about it, given all our technology and knowledge at our disposal...

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/15/2014 5:02:23 PM   
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So Buffet is a ruthless, vulture capitalist...so what else is new. He's just a very, very rich one.

So was Romney and most of our secretaries of Treas. and fed chairmen. Paulsen being a most recent and fraudulent. All part and parcel of how the banking cartel runs the world.

yeah.. all from the US.. the country where greed is the CULTure.. lol but why is it that so many Americans are either blind to this or apathetic? why was OWS just a flash in the pan?

Because the MSM treated it and them as a joke the only value of which was to enter the tax and political trappings of the 1% into the conversation. It therefore will not anytime soon, result in real tax reform the code of which is an immoral monstrosity. (tax reform bills die a slow death in both houses)

It did not expose that 1/3 of the fortune 500 pays no fed taxes at all. It did not expose that state treasuries are depleted with the outlandish handout of corporate food stamps the most recent coverage of only a few minutes being the $477 million handout to VW from the state of Tenn. What was 'news' was that the union was defeated.

The MSM is owned by 6 huge corporate entities that tell the news they are told to and the ridicule of OWS was quick and pure.

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/16/2014 6:15:29 AM   
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Server ties is a pipe dream at best and foolish thinking at worst. Before government could ever arrive at that point, Congress has to undergo some serious re-engineering. Create the process to allow for more people to run for Congress without needing multiple millions in war chests. Remove gerrymandering by use of an amendment. After that, there is still a few hundred items to sort out. If after all of that....THEN....we as a nation could deal with Wall Street's strangle hold on DC. All those powers have much invested in keeping the status quo in place for decades to come. When President Obama came to office, he wanted to change these problems. Notice how quickly 'those with power' convinced the 'low information voter' to fight him on every front and concept within a few weeks after obtaining the nomination let alone being sworn in to office. Over time, I think he has concluded that unless Americans want real reform and changes, get a fucking clue and education, stop the petty politics, and focus on America in the new millennium....things will stay as they are.
The Affordable Care Act should have been a wake up call to conservatives in this nation since the bill past into law three years ago. The premise of that bill was actually to help those parts of the nation where obtaining decent care was impossible. Like the red states....
....The same states that fought tooth and claw to prevent anything good happening to the citizenry. The same states even now, fighting tooth and claw to prevent its own citizens from obtaining good healthcare. But, ignorance, foolishness, and plain immaturity will keep the citizens 'in line' for generations to come. Its really sad if one things about it, given all our technology and knowledge at our disposal...


blah, blah, blah... IOW, "it would be too hard to sever ties between Big Biz and Big Gov, so we're not going to actually attempt it."




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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/16/2014 6:37:17 AM   
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"People such as Warren Buffett get an undeserved free pass in American life. We chuckle and smile at his folksy humor. But underneath he is just a Wall Street marauder with nicer manners. Boy, are we suckers.

He likes to criticize Wall Street. But he’s part of it. He is a thief himself, a recipient and beneficiary of government bailouts. It just goes to show you that if you make a lot of money, you can get away with almost anything in this country."

Read more here.

I'm sad such crappy writing comes from a Ph.D. in finance. Must have had to get out his blog post quickly that day.

His first point, whining about Buffett's warning about following journalistic macro opining, then slamming Buffett for sharing a macro opinion (and a very well established one at that), ignores the issue--journalists are not financial experts; Buffett is. Buffett mentions looking at the data instead of the macro predictions, and here he looks at the data. What's the problem? I'd listen to Buffett too. In fact, the author even notes the value of Buffett's advice in the article, a couple of times.

The rest is what appears to be "really" his point, that Bershire-Hathaway holds investments in financial institutions that received bail-out money, and therefore, Buffett (and every other investor, btw, though he never mentions that--including Grandma's mutual fund) is a crook. While that's a stretch, at the very least harsh, it's really what's crawled up his butt.

He just figures his blog will do better with a provocative title like "Warren Buffett is a crock." Kind of manipulative of the author, don't you think? And not terribly honest...the hypocrite.

But this statement -- how does Buffett get a free pass? How did Buffett not earn his position -- one he held LONG before the bailout, and one very successful during the economic crisis as well?

Seems the author is conflating coincidence with cause and effect, and, well -- a Ph.D. in finance should know better, especially one who's going to publish a finance blog.



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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/16/2014 9:01:39 AM   
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I'm sad such crappy writing comes from a Ph.D. in finance. Must have had to get out his blog post quickly that day.

His first point, whining about Buffett's warning about following journalistic macro opining, then slamming Buffett for sharing a macro opinion (and a very well established one at that), ignores the issue--journalists are not financial experts; Buffett is. Buffett mentions looking at the data instead of the macro predictions, and here he looks at the data. What's the problem? I'd listen to Buffett too. In fact, the author even notes the value of Buffett's advice in the article, a couple of times.

The rest is what appears to be "really" his point, that Bershire-Hathaway holds investments in financial institutions that received bail-out money, and therefore, Buffett (and every other investor, btw, though he never mentions that--including Grandma's mutual fund) is a crook. While that's a stretch, at the very least harsh, it's really what's crawled up his butt.

He just figures his blog will do better with a provocative title like "Warren Buffett is a crock." Kind of manipulative of the author, don't you think? And not terribly honest...the hypocrite.

But this statement -- how does Buffett get a free pass? How did Buffett not earn his position -- one he held LONG before the bailout, and one very successful during the economic crisis as well?

Seems the author is conflating coincidence with cause and effect, and, well -- a Ph.D. in finance should know better, especially one who's going to publish a finance blog.

Buffett was not merely a shareholder, the reason he is a sleazy crook is that he pushed hard for the bailout, thru the media, and directly to the govt/Paulson in letters he wrote and addressing congress, etc.. When someone uses his power & influence to affect the outcome you can not consider him a mere bystander (like grandmas are or average shareholders are), he is one of the architects of the f'n bailout.. and he actually increased his holdings in those banks while he was pushing for the bailout.. he criticizes other companies for trading derivatives while his own companies do the very same thing.. The guy is a real piece of work.. But how he invests is nothing new, nothing really special about what he does, what is different is the political influence & clout he has,.. and his political influence has certainly helped his bottom line.. he certainly would not have fared nearly as well.. And of course he was not the only one to benefit from the bailouts.. several other congressmen lined their pockets too.. sleazy, sleazy, sleazy.. there is no morality there at all.. screw anyone for a buck.. I guess this is what America is all about..

Buffett increased his bank holdings in September, while he was arguing in the media that Congress should approve the bailout to prevent the collapse of the global financial system.

'Reeks of favoritism'
When told of The Sacramento Bee’s findings, Robert Kuttner, the author of a recent best-seller on the economic crisis, said they reveal a bailout program designed out of public view, and one that “reeks of favoritism and special treatment.”
“TARP was designed that way,” Kuttner said, “to concentrate power with almost no effective oversight. That, to me, is the scandal.”

The Sacramento Bee’s findings follow a recent controversy over some Buffett holdings that may have contributed to the economic crisis.
Berkshire owns more than 20 percent of Moody’s, a top credit-rating agency, making it by far the largest stakeholder. Moody’s has been faulted for enabling the global crisis by overvaluing mortgage assets.Although Buffett has been outspoken about the need for government intervention in the crisis caused by the mortgage meltdown, he’s said nothing publicly about the role of a company in which his firm is a minority holder.
Buffett also has decried “credit default swaps” — which are similar to insurance policies, in which mortgage bonds and other financial instruments are insured against default — as “financial weapons of mass destruction.” He criticized the profligate use of these unregulated financial tools, or derivatives, widely blamed as a root of the credit collapse.
Yet Berkshire has issued tens of billions of dollars in derivatives. In a letter to shareholders, Buffett justified derivatives as relatively safe and likely to yield vast profits.

http://www.chron.com/business/article/Buffett-champion-of-bailout-is-also-a-leading-1735017.php

A number of Senators and Congressmen were buying and selling Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway stock before, during and after they passed the bailout, including Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE), Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO). Others were buying Goldman Sachs’ stock at the same time, including Rep. John Boehner (R-OH), Sen. Jeff Binghaman (D-NM) and Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL).

To make Warren Buffett’s vision of a taxpayer funded railroad fortune appear out of nowhere, his company Berkshire Hathaway increased its number of Washington lobbyists almost ten-fold. In 2008, Buffett’s firm spent $1.2 million on lobbying. In 2009, that amount jumped to $9.8 million. As Peter Schweizer’s research reveals, the rail lines of Buffett’s Burlington Northern that crisscross the nation, just happen to practically match a map of President Obama’s proposed national high-speed rail line.

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12012/warren-buffett-the-devil-in-the-details213/

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/16/2014 9:04:15 AM   
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And yet that isn't what the author chose to discuss. A crappy, sloppy article. Very disappointing.

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/16/2014 12:04:52 PM   
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And yet that isn't what the author chose to discuss. A crappy, sloppy article. Very disappointing.

yes but for those that care to know & have done even a minimal amount of research on Buffett & the bailout, the author didn't need to discuss that.. I already knew all that, which is why I have been anti-Buffett in various previous posts of mine (only to have those blinded by Buffett's well crafted image blast me for my opinion of him/his tactics). But my examination of him originally started cuz I had a bank account at WF and saw firsthand the discrepancy between what he professed in his media sound bits and how this sleazy bank of his does business.. needless to say I am not a fan of his and will always question his motives.. and I try my best not to line his pocket..

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/16/2014 12:08:30 PM   
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Then that just begs the question all the more, making writing a blog post about it even more inept.

It's a lame idiot trying to sell a blog.

Not to be confused with news.

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/16/2014 6:23:54 PM   
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For those of you that may not know, Matt Taibbi (mentioned in the article) is a writer for the Rolling Stone publication... and a very good writer at that.


Matt Taibbi is one of the best writers on Earth, and Warren Buffet is not a thief.

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/16/2014 8:33:58 PM   
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Then that just begs the question all the more, making writing a blog post about it even more inept.

It's a lame idiot trying to sell a blog.

Not to be confused with news.

He may have written about that before tho (as far back as 4 or 5 years ago) and you know how people get when they hear the same thing repeatedly (they will then bitch that they have heard it before and why is this guy repeating the same stuff? doesn't he have any new material? what an inept blog! blah, blah). Pity the poor blog writer, everyone's a critic.. poor blog writers just cant win!

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RE: Warren Buffet is a Thief - 3/17/2014 3:59:52 AM   
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Again, certainly not an endorsement for a Ph.D. in finance.

He clearly doesn't have anything.

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