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Lucylastic -> 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/14/2014 9:30:21 PM)





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/14/obamacare-saves-money_n_4966955.html

WASHINGTON -- The former chair of the New Hampshire Republican Party will save $1,000 a month in premiums for his family's health care package after signing up for a new policy through the Obamacare exchange.

But Fergus Cullen said the savings aren't enough to turn him into a supporter of the new health care law. He said he anticipates higher out-of-pocket costs with his new Anthem-administered plan, and he's frustrated by what he sees as a lack of information about coverage options. His old plan, which was pricey but covered what he needed, was cancelled by his insurer because it didn't meet Obamacare regulations.

"Fundamentally, the plan I wanted to buy is one that gives me catastrophic coverage for my family and lets me self-insure for everything else," Cullen said in a phone interview with The Huffington Post.

Stories similar to Cullen's are being told by folks across the country -- that the Affordable Care Act has benefits that must be weighed against its downsides. What makes his tale a bit rarer is that he's one of the few Republicans of stature willing to acknowledge the tradeoffs.

Cullen, who runs the consulting firm Fergus Cullen Communications, was chair of the New Hampshire Republican Party in 2007 and 2008. He wrote about his Obamacare experience in the pages of the conservative-leaning New Hampshire Union Leader. He acknowledged that other Republicans had warned him that the article would be picked up by defenders of the law as evidence that it worked even for staunch, free-market oriented conservatives.

But his personal experience with Obamacare -- and his assessment of the law –- is not an endorsement. If anything, it's part approval, part condemnation, and part withheld judgment.

First, the facts. Per Cullen, his family of five spent $26,934.89 on health care last year, a combination of insurance premiums (the majority of the cost) and out-of-pocket expenses. The year before, that number was $22,121.50. In other words, his costs were rising prior to Obamacare exchanges going into effect.

Cullen called his insurer to see if he could lower the cost. The company said no, and sent him a letter explaining that on July 1, 2014, his individual health plan would no longer be offered. It "didn't conform to ACA mandates," Cullen wrote. His insurance agent searched for new plans and found options comparable to his old one that potentially saved money. Cullen then logged on to healthcare.gov. Since New Hampshire did not set up its own exchange, he had to use the federal website.

Cullen acknowledged that he was pleasantly surprised by the experience. "I didn't need to start and stop and didn't need to call a friend," he said. But he wondered if his less tech-savvy parents would be able to do the same. He described the experience in the Union Leader:

Whatever problems existed last October, the site is pretty impressive now, intuitive for people who are used to using smartphones and tablets. Navigating the site took most of an hour. The program did crash once while I registered my family, but when I logged back in it took me right back to where I’d been without losing any information.

He ended up with a bronze plan (the least comprehensive of the tiers available to his family) that will save him in premiums about $12,000 a year. And this is before applying for tax credits, which he said he was thinking of doing. Tax credits are available to a family of five with an income of less than $110,280.

So what's to complain about? For one, Cullen said he's worried about out-of-pocket costs, which he said may be unpredictable. But under the law, out-of-pocket costs are capped at $12,700 a year per family. So at the most, he may end up spending $700 more this year than last (the difference between the savings on premiums and the out-of-pocket maximum).

Second, Cullen said there's a lack of general information about what his plan actually does for him and his family.

"I don’t know what prescriptions are covered exactly," Cullen said. "We don’t have dental, for example. So I'm expecting that my out-of-pocket is going to be higher."

The main issue that Cullen has, however, is that he doesn't want to pay for services he feels are unnecessary or redundant. The analogy he uses is car ownership. "You don’t buy car insurance for your oil changes," he said. "You buy it for those things you can't predict." In other words, he thinks he shouldn't have to pay insurance costs for preventative services because he can handle those expenses himself.

What Cullen wants, instead, is a form of a la carte insurance with catastrophic care component. Since he is paying lower premiums now than he did prior to Obamacare, and since catastrophic care generally has a high deductible, it's unclear how much that would actually save him. Cullen acknowledged that he may, indeed, end up with lower costs.

"Am I complaining about the outcome? Not as much as I am complaining about the process and my total lack of confidence that they fixed the system," he said.

And that brings him to his final, larger critique. Cullen said he believes Obamacare does too little to streamline health care services and reduce costs.

"I don’t think this addresses any of the fundamental broken aspects," he said, "which is that consumers don't know the costs and the providers have no incentives to hold down costs and that huge amounts of our economy are being directed in non-productive ways."

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Of course, the above is the huff n poo being the huff n poo
but his own words are here...

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20140313/OPINION02/140319368






TheHeretic -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/14/2014 10:50:57 PM)

Oh no! Look out! Lucy found a HuffnPoo link that says things she likes!

Of course, Arianna loves getting free things true believers want to believe, and making a damn nice profit for herself off them.

"Useful idiots" was Stalin's term, IIRC.




Lucylastic -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/14/2014 11:17:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Oh no! Look out! Lucy found a HuffnPoo link that says things she likes!

Of course, Arianna loves getting free things true believers want to believe, and making a damn nice profit for herself off them.

"Useful idiots" was Stalin's term, IIRC.


Of course, I didnt have the intestinal fortitude to post the link to his own words so im totally being bias about the topic.

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thank you for the
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Musicmystery -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/15/2014 7:38:08 AM)

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joether -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/15/2014 6:18:24 PM)

Mr. Cullen, I suspect has realized the people that watered down the original document the President gave Congress back in 2009, are the same ones he's been helping to keep in power anyway possible: The Republican/Tea Party. I imagine that places him in quite a political 'pickle'. Having to declare he actually gains by the actions of Democrats and the President, while bitching things are not better due to his party's foolish stances over the few short years.




MercTech -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/16/2014 3:56:37 PM)

Oh, he SAVED over $1000 a month on insurance. Yep, he saved a house payment. My oh my the rich are saving money.

Frankly, that doesn't impress a working stiff that had to drop his insurance when they put the premiums for a really crappy policy over $1000 a month.

I still say that mandatory insurance really has nothing to do with affordable health care.




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/16/2014 6:31:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Oh, he SAVED over $1000 a month on insurance. Yep, he saved a house payment. My oh my the rich are saving money.

Frankly, that doesn't impress a working stiff that had to drop his insurance when they put the premiums for a really crappy policy over $1000 a month.

I still say that mandatory insurance really has nothing to do with affordable health care.




Thinking I agree ... I would pay $1,000 per month in premiums as a single man buying my own Insurance ... but for having a job and being a member of a group ... I only pay $150 per month.

What I DO KNOW ... I could never afford the kind of money THAT clown is suggesting ... hell, I couldn't even afford my own premiums, if I try to pay myself!

Well, I guess I could, if I give my boat to charity! [:D] [:D] [:D]


But freedom is not threatened by reduced health insurance premiums!

It is threatened by being willing to PAY HIGH COSTS for garbage coverage!







MercTech -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/16/2014 8:57:43 PM)

As long as medical insurance corporations are invested in owning medical service providers it is only in their best interests to keep costs spiraling upwards.

Can we clone Teddy Roosevelt and sick him on the health industry the way he took on the railroad trusts?




Phydeaux -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/17/2014 11:49:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

Mr. Cullen, I suspect has realized the people that watered down the original document the President gave Congress back in 2009, are the same ones he's been helping to keep in power anyway possible: The Republican/Tea Party. I imagine that places him in quite a political 'pickle'. Having to declare he actually gains by the actions of Democrats and the President, while bitching things are not better due to his party's foolish stances over the few short years.



Remind me again how many republican ammendments were passed in the senate?

Oh yea.



ZERO



This post is utter lie. This bill was conceived by democrats, and passed by democrats totally bypassing the usual committee rules, and passed with a partyline vote.
And Reid COMPLETELY filled the ammendment tree to prevent ammendment.

Not a single republican ammendment. Not a single republican vote. Pushed through by democratic hubris and hated by the american people.




dcnovice -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/17/2014 11:53:42 AM)

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Can we clone Teddy Roosevelt and sick him on the health industry the way he took on the railroad trusts?

TR tried, actually. [:)]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/mar/05/barack-obama/Obama-goes-back-to-his-Republican-roots-on-health-/




graceadieu -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/21/2014 6:47:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Oh, he SAVED over $1000 a month on insurance. Yep, he saved a house payment. My oh my the rich are saving money.

Frankly, that doesn't impress a working stiff that had to drop his insurance when they put the premiums for a really crappy policy over $1000 a month.

I still say that mandatory insurance really has nothing to do with affordable health care.



It's not $1000/month for crappy insurance. It's not $1000/month for really good insurance.

M and I got insurance on the exchange the other day. It was, with our subsidy, $153/month for both of us together. Without, I think it would've been around $300-350/month. The last company I worked for, their insurance wanted $400/month for only me to COBRA a plan with a much higher deductible.

Please look at the facts and not FOX on this.




graceadieu -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/21/2014 6:51:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

Thinking I agree ... I would pay $1,000 per month in premiums as a single man buying my own Insurance ... but for having a job and being a member of a group ... I only pay $150 per month.


As a single man on your own, you'd probably be paying $150-250/month on the exchange, and that's only if you make enough money that you don't qualify for a subsidy (I think around $45k).




Owner59 -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/21/2014 7:45:12 AM)

"Oh, he SAVED over $1000 a month on insurance. Yep, he saved a house payment. My oh my the rich are saving money.

Frankly, that doesn't impress a working stiff that had to drop his insurance when they put the premiums for a really crappy policy over $1000 a month.

I still say that mandatory insurance really has nothing to do with affordable health care. "


Don`t mention stuff like that....it makes the cowardly anti-intellectuals here run and hide.....




Phydeaux -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/21/2014 2:29:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: graceadieu


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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

Thinking I agree ... I would pay $1,000 per month in premiums as a single man buying my own Insurance ... but for having a job and being a member of a group ... I only pay $150 per month.


As a single man on your own, you'd probably be paying $150-250/month on the exchange, and that's only if you make enough money that you don't qualify for a subsidy (I think around $45k).


Grace, do you really not understand that subsidies <> "free"?
The fact that you are only paying $150 a month for your insurance means that someone else must pay the remainder .. for you.




MrRodgers -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/22/2014 1:04:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Oh no! Look out! Lucy found a HuffnPoo link that says things she likes!

Of course, Arianna loves getting free things true believers want to believe, and making a damn nice profit for herself off them.

"Useful idiots" was Stalin's term, IIRC.

Yea, yea, forget the hypocrite repub...go after the messenger.




MrRodgers -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/22/2014 1:06:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: graceadieu


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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

Thinking I agree ... I would pay $1,000 per month in premiums as a single man buying my own Insurance ... but for having a job and being a member of a group ... I only pay $150 per month.


As a single man on your own, you'd probably be paying $150-250/month on the exchange, and that's only if you make enough money that you don't qualify for a subsidy (I think around $45k).


Grace, do you really not understand that subsidies <> "free"?
The fact that you are only paying $150 a month for your insurance means that someone else must pay the remainder .. for you.

By not buying any insurance, your ER or catastrophic costs (life saving cancer treatment or surgery) is ALL paid by somebody else.




MrRodgers -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/22/2014 1:22:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: joether

Mr. Cullen, I suspect has realized the people that watered down the original document the President gave Congress back in 2009, are the same ones he's been helping to keep in power anyway possible: The Republican/Tea Party. I imagine that places him in quite a political 'pickle'. Having to declare he actually gains by the actions of Democrats and the President, while bitching things are not better due to his party's foolish stances over the few short years.



Remind me again how many republican ammendments were passed in the senate?

Oh yea.



ZERO



This post is utter lie. This bill was conceived by democrats, and passed by democrats totally bypassing the usual committee rules, and passed with a partyline vote.
And Reid COMPLETELY filled the ammendment tree to prevent ammendment.

Not a single republican ammendment. Not a single republican vote. Pushed through by democratic hubris and hated by the american people.


Not only did the senate vote 60-39 to end debate on Obamacare, it having a simple majority long before then, why is it only now that politics as usual even when the repubs had the senate...displeases you ?

Per wiki: On the Senate side, from June to September, the Senate Finance Committee held a series of 31 meetings to develop a healthcare reform bill. This group — in particular, Democrats Max Baucus, Jeff Bingaman, and Kent Conrad, and Republicans Mike Enzi, Chuck Grassley, and Olympia Snowe — met for more than 60 hours, and the principles that they discussed, in conjunction with the other committees, became the foundation of the Senate's healthcare reform bill.

With universal healthcare as one of the stated goals of the Obama administration, congressional Democrats and health policy experts like Jonathan Gruber and David Cutler argued that guaranteed issue would require both community rating and an individual mandate to ensure that adverse selectionand/or "free riding" would not result in an insurance "death spiral" they convinced Obama that this was necessary, and persuaded him to accept congressional proposals that included a mandate.  This approach was taken because the president and congressional leaders had concluded that more progressive plans, such as the (single-payer) Medicare for All act, could not obtain filibuster-proof support in the Senate. By deliberately drawing on bipartisan ideas — the same basic outline was supported by former Senate majority leaders Howard Baker, Bob Dole, Tom Daschle and George J. Mitchell—the bill's drafters hoped to increase the chances of garnering the necessary votes for passage.








Phydeaux -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/22/2014 7:11:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: graceadieu


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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

Thinking I agree ... I would pay $1,000 per month in premiums as a single man buying my own Insurance ... but for having a job and being a member of a group ... I only pay $150 per month.


As a single man on your own, you'd probably be paying $150-250/month on the exchange, and that's only if you make enough money that you don't qualify for a subsidy (I think around $45k).


Grace, do you really not understand that subsidies <> "free"?
The fact that you are only paying $150 a month for your insurance means that someone else must pay the remainder .. for you.

By not buying any insurance, your ER or catastrophic costs (life saving cancer treatment or surgery) is ALL paid by somebody else.


In my entire life I've been to the hospital twice. Both times I paid cash. So, wrong again, bucko.




Phydeaux -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/22/2014 7:26:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Mr. Cullen, I suspect has realized the people that watered down the original document the President gave Congress back in 2009, are the same ones he's been helping to keep in power anyway possible: The Republican/Tea Party. I imagine that places him in quite a political 'pickle'. Having to declare he actually gains by the actions of Democrats and the President, while bitching things are not better due to his party's foolish stances over the few short years.



Remind me again how many republican ammendments were passed in the senate?

Oh yea.



ZERO



This post is utter lie. This bill was conceived by democrats, and passed by democrats totally bypassing the usual committee rules, and passed with a partyline vote.
And Reid COMPLETELY filled the ammendment tree to prevent ammendment.

Not a single republican ammendment. Not a single republican vote. Pushed through by democratic hubris and hated by the american people.


Not only did the senate vote 60-39 to end debate on Obamacare, it having a simple majority long before then, why is it only now that politics as usual even when the repubs had the senate...displeases you ?

Per wiki: On the Senate side, from June to September, the Senate Finance Committee held a series of 31 meetings to develop a healthcare reform bill. This group — in particular, Democrats Max Baucus, Jeff Bingaman, and Kent Conrad, and Republicans Mike Enzi, Chuck Grassley, and Olympia Snowe — met for more than 60 hours, and the principles that they discussed, in conjunction with the other committees, became the foundation of the Senate's healthcare reform bill.

With universal healthcare as one of the stated goals of the Obama administration, congressional Democrats and health policy experts like Jonathan Gruber and David Cutler argued that guaranteed issue would require both community rating and an individual mandate to ensure that adverse selectionand/or "free riding" would not result in an insurance "death spiral" they convinced Obama that this was necessary, and persuaded him to accept congressional proposals that included a mandate.  This approach was taken because the president and congressional leaders had concluded that more progressive plans, such as the (single-payer) Medicare for All act, could not obtain filibuster-proof support in the Senate. By deliberately drawing on bipartisan ideas — the same basic outline was supported by former Senate majority leaders Howard Baker, Bob Dole, Tom Daschle and George J. Mitchell—the bill's drafters hoped to increase the chances of garnering the necessary votes for passage.




So lets get this straight.

Congression leaders (Pelosi, Reid) convince the president that more progressive plans could not obtain the filibuster proof senate. The bills drafters hoped to increase the chances of garnering the necessary votes for passage.

So, again I say.

Republicans didn't water down this bill. Not a single republican amendment. The democrat leaders drafted the bill and moderated it in the hopes of attracting republican support. Not a single republican voted for the bill or got a substantive ammendment.

The Republicans actually offered a limited number of ammendments. All of them were voted down by party line votes.

The democrat's could have ram-rodded any damn bill they wanted through the house and senate - and thats what they did. They ram-rodded the only bill they could get unified behind in the face of opposition by stupak, landrieu and Nelson. Democrats all.

Democrats lost all hope of republican support when they chose to require mandates, instead of incentives. So you were the ruling party. You forced through the bill you wanted.

The voters hated it in 2010. They hate it now. And the dimocrats are going to be rightly punished.




graceadieu -> RE: 12,000 a year saved for GOP chair in NH enrolled in Obamacare (3/24/2014 10:54:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: graceadieu


quote:

ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

Thinking I agree ... I would pay $1,000 per month in premiums as a single man buying my own Insurance ... but for having a job and being a member of a group ... I only pay $150 per month.


As a single man on your own, you'd probably be paying $150-250/month on the exchange, and that's only if you make enough money that you don't qualify for a subsidy (I think around $45k).


Grace, do you really not understand that subsidies <> "free"?
The fact that you are only paying $150 a month for your insurance means that someone else must pay the remainder .. for you.

By not buying any insurance, your ER or catastrophic costs (life saving cancer treatment or surgery) is ALL paid by somebody else.


I have Phydeux on ignore, but I did want to respond to his post here.

When I said a single man will be paying $150-250/month, that's the full price, without subsidies. There is no remainder for anybody else to pay.




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