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12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/14/2014 11:51:38 PM   
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Judge rejects state's 12-week abortion ban

A federal judge Friday struck down Arkansas' attempt to ban most abortions beginning 12 weeks into a woman's pregnancy, saying viability, not a heartbeat, remains the key factor in determining whether abortions should be allowed. U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright last year had stopped enforcement of the law while she reviewed it, and on Friday she declared that it was unconstitutional. She cited previous court decisions that said abortions shouldn't be restricted until after a fetus reaches viability, which is typically at 22 to 24 weeks. The Arkansas Legislature had adopted the nation's toughest abortion law last March. Two weeks later, North Dakota lawmakers passed a bill restricting abortions at six weeks — or before some women would know they're pregnant. That law is on hold.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/nation/judge-rejects-12-week-abortion-ban-in-arkansas/2170364
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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 8:13:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder how many women change their minds due to being shown an ultrasound with a heartbeat. If they hadn't already realized fetuses will eventually have heart beats, I despair of their ability to parent. I wonder how comprehensive sex ed is in Arkansas.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/15/us-usa-abortion-arkansas-idUSBREA2E03O20140315

...Webber's decision let stand the law's requirement that a woman seeking an abortion first undergo an ultrasound to determine whether a fetal heartbeat is present.

...State Senator Jason Rapert, the primary sponsor of the measure, said he was "disturbed" by the ruling but added that the outcome "was not unexpected because of the posture of our courts for the last 40 years."

Rapert said he nonetheless was gratified that Wright had let stand "one of the strongest informed consent laws in the nation."

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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 8:17:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps if Arkansas required sex ed there would be less demand for abortion.

http://www.abstinenceworks.org/what-about-my-state-mainmenu-90

ARKANSAS

Arkansas Sexuality Education Law and Policy

Arkansas law does not require schools to teach sexuality education or sexually transmitted disease (STD)/HIV education. If a school offers sexuality or STD/HIV education, abstinence must be stressed.

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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 8:19:22 AM   
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Yes ....another one bites the dust


Such glee you have there.


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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 8:21:35 AM   
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Perhaps if Arkansas required sex ed there would be less demand for abortion.

http://www.abstinenceworks.org/what-about-my-state-mainmenu-90

ARKANSAS

Arkansas Sexuality Education Law and Policy

Arkansas law does not require schools to teach sexuality education or sexually transmitted disease (STD)/HIV education. If a school offers sexuality or STD/HIV education, abstinence must be stressed.

Because forcing your view of morality is more important than preventing unwanted pregnancy?

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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 8:24:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Teen Pregnancies Highest In States With Abstinence-Only Policies

The number of teen births in the U.S. dropped again in 2010, according to a government report, with nearly every state seeing a decrease. Nationally, the rate fell 9 percent to about 34 per 1,000 girls ages 15 through 19, and the drop was seen among all racial and ethnic groups. Mississippi continues to have the highest teen birth rate, with 55 births per 1,000 girls. New Hampshire has the lowest rate at just under 16 births per 1,000 girls.

This is the lowest national rate for teen births since the Centers for Disease Control began tracking it in 1940, and CDC officials attributed the decline to pregnancy prevention efforts. Other reports show that teenagers are having less sex and using contraception more often. Studies have backed this up. Researchers at the University of Washington in Seattle found that teenagers who received some type of comprehensive sex education were 60 percent less likely to get pregnant or get someone else pregnant. And in 2007, a federal report showed that abstinence-only programs had “no impacts on rates of sexual abstinence.”

... Additionally, research shows that abstinence-only strategies could deter contraceptive use among teenagers, thus increasing their risk of unintended pregnancy.

For example, take the states with the highest and lowest teen pregnancy rates. Mississippi does not require sex education in schools, but when it is taught, abstinence-only education is the state standard. New Mexico, which has the second highest teen birth rate, does not require sex ed and has no requirements on what should be included when it is taught. New Hampshire, on the other hand, requires comprehensive sex education in schools that includes abstinence and information about condoms and contraception.

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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 8:40:51 AM   
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Because forcing your view of morality is more important than preventing unwanted pregnancy?


I'm not supporting NH's comprehensive sex ed program based on morality but because it is more successful in preventing teen pregnancy than abstinence-only programs.

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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 8:42:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Totally dodges the "abstinence must be stressed" point I questioned.

Nobody debates the issues here -- they just make up their own.

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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 8:46:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't believe sex education should be "abstinence only". Then, neither do I believe that abstinence should be ignored.

It is the most effective way to prevent pregnancy and STDs but, I believe it would fall on mostly deaf ears.

I am 150% PRO birth control but, let's be fair; it doesn't only come in the form of a pill or a condom or ...

ETA: There is evidence to suggest that a fetus can feel pain in almost all parts of their body by 15 weeks. For humanitarian reasons, I would support that time limit.





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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 8:53:59 AM   
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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 10:02:10 AM   
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Totally dodges the "abstinence must be stressed" point I questioned.

Nobody debates the issues here -- they just make up their own.


Now that you've actually made a point, I'll address it. The NH program includes abstinence. Of course abstinence is the most effective way to prevent pregnancy...if it is practiced. Great in theory, fails in real life. Perfect Use vs Typical Use.

What about my point that sex ed is not mandatory in AR, MS, or NM, but it is in NH? (The state with the lowest teen birth rate.)

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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 4:31:41 PM   
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Yes ....another one bites the dust


Such glee you have there.


Glee? nah...that comes when the supreme court has thrown out all pathetic bills like this. And no woman has to go thru the bullshit that the women affected by these bills so far have gone thru.


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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 5:34:06 PM   
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It is the most effective in theory, not in practice, because people will not practice it.



It seems utterly counterintuitive to me that an abstinence policy *would* work in practice. Society is suffused with sexual imagery now in a way that it wasn't when abstinence from sex was the primary way in which women stopped themselves from getting pregnant. It seems like a policy of 'morality as though psychology doesn't exist'.

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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 5:43:17 PM   
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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 6:33:21 PM   
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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 6:35:35 PM   
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I had never heard that before:) Thankyou


YVW... I like the idea of it... that, and death week instead of death row.

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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 9:00:00 PM   
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It is the most effective in theory, not in practice, because people will not practice it.



It seems utterly counterintuitive to me that an abstinence policy *would* work in practice. Society is suffused with sexual imagery now in a way that it wasn't when abstinence from sex was the primary way in which women stopped themselves from getting pregnant. It seems like a policy of 'morality as though psychology doesn't exist'.

When precisely did this happen?

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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/15/2014 10:05:00 PM   
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Totally dodges the "abstinence must be stressed" point I questioned.

Nobody debates the issues here -- they just make up their own.


Now that you've actually made a point, I'll address it. The NH program includes abstinence. Of course abstinence is the most effective way to prevent pregnancy...if it is practiced. Great in theory, fails in real life. Perfect Use vs Typical Use.

What about my point that sex ed is not mandatory in AR, MS, or NM, but it is in NH? (The state with the lowest teen birth rate.)

I didn't finally "actually" make a point--I repeated the one you ignored previously.

What your other point? No problem there--just you [still] dodging the "abstinence must be stressed," even though you admit it "fails in real life."

Oddly, when something fails in real life, I tend to think it's not a working idea.

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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/16/2014 7:15:54 AM   
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But then the subject of abortion comes up and no one wants to talk about the other countries policies. From what I have read the US has some of the most lenient laws out there yet I never see a thread about the poor women in those other countries who don't have access to abortions like they do here. Why does everyone concern themselves with american women and ignore the rest? Don't you care about all women equally?

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RE: 12 week Abortion ban, unconstitutional in Arkansas - 3/16/2014 7:26:35 AM   
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really
REALLY??
you wanna go there?

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