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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


really
REALLY??
you wanna go there?

stalk stalk stalk

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you dont get it:) I dont give a shit, I find your stalking hysterically funny

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Every time the subject of healthcare comes up I keep hearing how the US is behind every other country and they should really be looking at these other systems and following them. Why can't the US understand that if it is already working elsewhere it will also work here.

But then the subject of abortion comes up and no one wants to talk about the other countries policies. From what I have read the US has some of the most lenient laws out there yet I never see a thread about the poor women in those other countries who don't have access to abortions like they do here. Why does everyone concern themselves with american women and ignore the rest? Don't you care about all women equally?

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Every time the subject of healthcare comes up I keep hearing how the US is behind every other country and they should really be looking at these other systems and following them. Because its true and they actually are, which is why I posted the thread about a canadian doctor appearing before a committee in washington.
Why can't the US understand that if it is already working elsewhere it will also work here. Because America is unique and doesnt "follow" or ask someone who actually thinks that you have the best system in the world.

But then the subject of abortion comes up and no one wants to talk about the other countries policies. Actually it has been brought up before, ther WAS a thread about not allowing a 9 year old to have an abortion, and one about that poor woman in Ireland who was denied an abortion and died. But mostly because people from other countries arent discussing just abortion, but family planning, womens health programs that arent being cut by a group of fundie rightists. Please show where the same is happening in any other "civilised country?
From what I have read the US has some of the most lenient laws out there yet I never see a thread about the poor women in those other countries who don't have access to abortions like they do here. This is a thread about a 12 week abortion ban in the US, deflect all you want. If you can afford an abortion, it doesnt matter what laws there are against it, you can get it done safely and without anyone giving a dam. however the poor are a different matter ... BUT in the countries Ive lived in, abortion is actually covered by healthcare
NOT so in the US
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Abortion/Pages/Introduction.aspx
http://www.choiceinhealth.ca/Page.asp?IdPage=8920&WebAddress=choiceinhealth

Why does everyone concern themselves with american women and ignore the rest? Don't you care about all women equally? no, some I love, some I like, some I really dislike, and some are severely crazy batshit people, but as a whole yeahtheir personal liberty IS damned important to me, HOWEVER I am not super women, and altho I have worked with battered women(who are often battered when they find out they are pregnant) over the decades in both countries I find it irritating, that you think I can care for all countries and all women....I do my share because yes I AM damn passionate about it.for my self, my friends, my daughter and any grandchildren that come along
Im such a lousy fucking person arent I.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Totally dodges the "abstinence must be stressed" point I questioned.

Nobody debates the issues here -- they just make up their own.

Now that you've actually made a point, I'll address it. The NH program includes abstinence. Of course abstinence is the most effective way to prevent pregnancy...if it is practiced. Great in theory, fails in real life. Perfect Use vs Typical Use.

What about my point that sex ed is not mandatory in AR, MS, or NM, but it is in NH? (The state with the lowest teen birth rate.)

I didn't finally "actually" make a point--I repeated the one you ignored previously.

What your other point? No problem there--just you [still] dodging the "abstinence must be stressed," even though you admit it "fails in real life."

Oddly, when something fails in real life, I tend to think it's not a working idea.