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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff

What the heck is "white gravy". That CAN'T be good...

A white gravy is basically flour, milk and a bit of grease for flavor.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff

What the heck is "white gravy". That CAN'T be good...

A white gravy is basically flour, milk and a bit of grease for flavor.

No such thing as "white" gravy.
If it ain't brown, it ain't 'gravy'.

From Wiki
In the UK, a Sunday roast is usually served with gravy. It is also popular in different parts of the UK, to have gravy with just chips (mostly from a fish'n'chip shop). It is commonly eaten with pork, chicken, lamb, turkey, beef, Yorkshire pudding,[2] and stuffing.

In British cuisine, as well as in the cuisines of Commonwealth countries like Australia and New Zealand, the word gravy refers only to the meat based sauce (and vegetarian/vegan alternatives) derived from meat juices, stock cubes or gravy granules. Use of the word "gravy" does not include other thickened sauces. One of the most popular forms is onion gravy, which is eaten with sausages, Yorkshire pudding and roast meat.


Although Wiki does describe some god-awful shit labelled as 'gravy', to us, if it's any other colour but brown it ain't gravy, it's a sauce.

Just sayin'

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

I love SOS. As a matter of fact, I had some for breakfast this morning. I use the dried white gravy from Sav-A-Lot, ground beef browned and drained (but I'll also use breakfast sausage when I have it), over a couple of bonk biscuits with runny scrambled eggs. Yeah, a cholesterol nightmare, but who wants to live forever?

And freedom dwarf, here in 'Murica, if we want to call it white gravy, we will. And yes, I know what it looks like, and I don't care.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

I love SOS. As a matter of fact, I had some for breakfast this morning. I use the dried white gravy from Sav-A-Lot, ground beef browned and drained (but I'll also use breakfast sausage when I have it), over a couple of bonk biscuits with runny scrambled eggs. Yeah, a cholesterol nightmare, but who wants to live forever?

And freedom dwarf, here in 'Murica, if we want to call it white gravy, we will. And yes, I know what it looks like, and I don't care.

A nice white cream and butter sauce... yes.
But gravy??? No way!!!!

And considering we had that sort of recipe waaaay before the US was even discovered, we claim the rights for it's proper name and use.
So there!!

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

I love SOS. As a matter of fact, I had some for breakfast this morning. I use the dried white gravy from Sav-A-Lot, ground beef browned and drained (but I'll also use breakfast sausage when I have it), over a couple of bonk biscuits with runny scrambled eggs. Yeah, a cholesterol nightmare, but who wants to live forever?

And freedom dwarf, here in 'Murica, if we want to call it white gravy, we will. And yes, I know what it looks like, and I don't care.

A nice white cream and butter sauce... yes.
But gravy??? No way!!!!

And considering we had that sort of recipe waaaay before the US was even discovered, we claim the rights for it's proper name and use.
So there!!

That's what the package says! USA! USA! USA!

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

You mention meat based in your definition.

For white gravy, I usually use the fat off whatever meat I was cooking, bacon, sausage (which is damn near too lean to have any fat anymore) and hamburger, add a bit of flour and milk and there you have gravy. It is white, thicker than a white sauce (which usually uses butter as a base) and thicker than a roux.

Gravy for roasts etc is brown, but that is a different animal as well.

Then there is chicken gravy, kind of a pale yellow in color, unless you go back and make a white country gravy, which is usually the case for fried chicken.

You also serve a white gravy with chicken fried steak, which is a hell of a lot better than that so called yankee slop known as country fried steak, served with a bland brown gravy, and the steak is usually tough as leather.

As for you brits, you wouldnt know good food if you were hit with a frying pan and forced to eat it. You cant even buy cat fish and hush puppies in the UK.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Freedomdwarf, are you saying that my grandmother from the mountains of western North Carolina was stupid, a fraud, a liar and didnt know the difference between gravy and a sauce?

Really?

Now white gravy has been called such since the colonial days (remember them,) English colonists came to North America, stole land from American Indians, set up colonies in the south and started cooking stuff like fired catfish, hush puppies, grits, white gravy, red eye gravy, and all those wonderful foods before they got sick and tired of George whats his name and number, and kicked you brits out?

Brits the inventors of foods with names that make you think of an STD?
Brits who wouldnt know a decent biscuit if you threw a few dozen at em?
Brits who could not barbeque their way out of a paper bag?

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I have even greater respect for our servicemen/women now after hearing they are force-fed that stuff.

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Be careful around Italians, at least the ones I was around when I lived in South Jersey. If you ask for "gravy", they're going to give you a red tomato (marinara) sauce and serve it over pasta!

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Freedomdwarf, are you saying that my grandmother from the mountains of western North Carolina was stupid, a fraud, a liar and didnt know the difference between gravy and a sauce?

Really?

Now white gravy has been called such since the colonial days (remember them,) English colonists came to North America, stole land from American Indians, set up colonies in the south and started cooking stuff like fired catfish, hush puppies, grits, white gravy, red eye gravy, and all those wonderful foods before they got sick and tired of George whats his name and number, and kicked you brits out?

Brits the inventors of foods with names that make you think of an STD?
Brits who wouldnt know a decent biscuit if you threw a few dozen at em?
Brits who could not barbeque their way out of a paper bag?

Colonial days???
Waaay too recent Jeff.

"Gravy" goes back many centuries - long before the US was discovered.
And as far as I can remember from my history days, most of the immigrants were either illiterate peasants or religious zealots who weren't exactly edjumacated and were escaping persecution from the rich overlords.
And for a lot of those pilgrims (and not only from the UK), they rarely had a lot of meat so to make a "sauce", it usually ended up being white because they used milk and corn starch to make the veggie 'soup' look more appetising.
And, I strongly suspect (although I have not looked and have no evidence to hand) that the idea of calling a non-brown sauce a "gravy" would have originated from the Spanish and/or French pilgrims rather than the Brits. I make this assertion based on modern day lingo where in many European countries (very noticably in Spain/France/Italy) have adopted the English term "gravy" for what is otherwise described as a "sauce" in Brit terms.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I see you avoided the question and chose a diplomatic side step.

And like windchymes said, ask an Italian for gravy you are getting a tomato based sauce over pasta.

As for the French, considering some of the things they consider food, you really have got to be kidding. Even the Cajuns and creoles down in NawLans, and the bayous have evolved french cooking into something more palatable. And they been using a white gravy for ages.

Which brings up another point, brits have no clue how to make mud puppies, gumbo, jambalaya, they even screw up red beans and rice for god's sake. As to the brit fondness of brown food, I quite agree. Problem is that some of that "food" aint food, and definitely should not be brown.

Now why dont you give up while you are behind, admit that it took Americans to civilize food in such a way as to make it actually appealing, I mean after all, you brits did import KFC, McDonald's, and Burger king... I even heard rumors there are a few Taco Bells over there.

I would even bet that brits put beans in chili!

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I'll grant that the Americans probably invented burgers (Yay!!), but as for 'civilized' food??

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

GrandPA DiMatteo was Napolidan and GrandMa DiMatteo was Siciliana.

I think what you'll find is the same way it worked in their house; Grandma called it "gravy" and Grandpa called it "Tomato Sauce (or, sometimes; "Tomato Gravy").

I'm almost positive that it's a North/South thing with the Calabreses coming down somewhere in the middle (as they frequently do)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I would even bet that brits put beans in chili!