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jlf1961 -> Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 7:45:53 AM)
A 17 year old boy was shot by a 55 year old man in a subdivision near Spring Tx. The boy was of African American heritage, and the authorities have not yet released the name of the shooter or his ethnicity. Of course there are a few differences to some of the recent incidents. 1) The boy was in the bedroom of the shooter's 16 year old daughter in the middle of the night. 2) Stories differ, but one states that the man found the boy in bed with his daughter, another said the boy was hiding in the room. 3) The daughter first denied she knew the boy, then admitted he was her "guest." Source I have said in the past I would shoot an armed intruder, but not unarmed one, if I knew for a fact the intruder was unarmed. The boy did not deserve to die for being in a girls room, especially since she apparently invited him in. The shooter suffered a mental breakdown and was hospitalized after the shooting, there is no word on the condition of the daughter, who in my opinion is more responsible for the death than anyone else.

Musicmystery -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 7:53:44 AM)
quote: While the Harris County grand jury will have the final say on whether the father will face charges, prosecutor Warren Diepraam said he doesn’t expect any. “What they found out after the fact isn’t going to matter a whole bunch. They’re looking at what he was thinking when he made the decision to shoot,” he said. What the fuck is wrong with this country? When did "Oh, well, I was thinking something" justify a crime? This is bullshit. Total bullshit. Complete irresponsibility from a moron with a "what if he has a weapon" mentality 24/7. And a pretty stupid dad too . . . did he ever take sex ed? Did mom have to borrow some neighbor sperm? Sickening. Just sickening. All right. That's my piece. Let the dumb ass parade of justifications begin.

Lucylastic -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 7:56:05 AM)
A Los Angeles man is accused of vowing to trade retweets on Twitter for a murder. Cops arrested Dakkari McAnuff, 20, and charged him with making criminal threats after the tweet, which read, "100 RT's and I'll shoot someone walking," according to the New York Daily News. The photo accompanying the tweet appeared to show a rifle with a scope pointed at a street in Los Angeles.McAnuff's alleged Twitter handle, @StillDMC, has been taken down. Archived tweets show that he followed up the original with another, "Man Down. Mission Completed." There's no indication that McAnuff actually injured anyone, and the gun was later revealed to be an air rifle. His friends, however, made fun of him before his arrest. "I'm gonna laugh so hard if these 100 RTs get you locked up," one person responded. Police were able to track the tweet to a home on 9th Street in Downtown LA, where they found McAnuff. It's unclear whether he got 100 retweets -- a form of reposting on Twitter -- before police arrived. McAnuff is being held on $50,000 bail. source here

hlen5 -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 8:00:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 no word on the condition of the daughter, who in my opinion is more responsible for the death than anyone else. Bullshit! Try the shooter. You know that sometimes people experience "breakdowns" to bolster their defense, don't you? ETA: "The shooter was taken to the hospital with a panic attack". The article didn't say he was admitted. Please don't tell me it would be more your niece's responsibility than yours if the same thing happened at your house? I'll agree there was a scuffle with a loaded gun, but I think a terror stricken teen would grab for the gun if he correctly feared for his life. If this isn't investigated and tried, there is no justice.

jlf1961 -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 8:06:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 no word on the condition of the daughter, who in my opinion is more responsible for the death than anyone else. Bullshit! Try the shooter. You know that sometimes people experience "breakdowns" to bolster their defense, don't you? Hlen, the boy would not have been in her bedroom if she had not invited him, and the fact she initially denied she knew him? Are you saying that she has no culpability at all? And did all of you miss the one point that makes this different? The young man was inside the shooter's house, in the middle of the night and in his daughter's bedroom. Not that it justifies the killing of a teenage boy, but you have to admit the situation is very different from say, the Zimmerman case.

Lucylastic -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 8:09:25 AM)
yeah Im sorry ...I find it bullshit tooo

Lucylastic -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 8:12:56 AM)
oh the FACT that someone said she was in bed or the FACT he was hiding in the room???? nope the zimmerman case is the same that someone shot an unarmed kid, because the gun gave him the balls god didnt give a cockroach

Musicmystery -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 8:13:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 no word on the condition of the daughter, who in my opinion is more responsible for the death than anyone else. Bullshit! Try the shooter. You know that sometimes people experience "breakdowns" to bolster their defense, don't you? Hlen, the boy would not have been in her bedroom if she had not invited him, and the fact she initially denied she knew him? Are you saying that she has no culpability at all? And did all of you miss the one point that makes this different? The young man was inside the shooter's house, in the middle of the night and in his daughter's bedroom. Not that it justifies the killing of a teenage boy, but you have to admit the situation is very different from say, the Zimmerman case. Wow. Talk about clueless. A noise in a teenage daughter's bedroom, and a young man there in her bed -- ...if your first thought is "intruder," then you are very, very naive. quote: Neighbors . . . described a crime-free neighborhood. Until now. Except in Texas, apparently, given the DA office's statement.

hlen5 -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 8:19:49 AM)
We are just bandying the very few facts we know. Yes, she lied, Yes, she had a boy in her room. Yes, he could have been mistaken that the kid was there to rape his daughter. Who pulled the trigger? Who brought the gun to the room? If he had the draw-down on the kid, call the cops.

cloudboy -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 8:22:38 AM)
quote: All right. That's my piece. Let the dumb ass parade of justifications begin . That's a funny way of putting it. On a sidenote, the NRA has opposed Obama's Surgeon General nominee because he supports gun regulations (probably as public health issue.) That's a lot of power exercised by just 5 million people. WASHINGTON — Intense opposition from the National Rifle Assn. has all but doomed prospects for President Obama's nominee for surgeon general, officials said Saturday as pro-gun Senate Democrats peeled away from the White House on a volatile issue in an election year. A spokesman for the NRA said Saturday that the organization was simply responding to the White House decision to nominate a gun control advocate. "We're forced to get involved and voice our opposition," said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-surgeon-general-20140316,0,6108613.story#ixzz2wEYgiw2T ------ It's kind of sick.....

Musicmystery -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 8:25:52 AM)
This forum has a funny way of discussing such matters.

tweakabelle -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 8:41:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 ,.... especially since she apparently invited him in. The shooter suffered a mental breakdown and was hospitalized after the shooting, there is no word on the condition of the daughter, who in my opinion is more responsible for the death than anyone else. A unique variation on the theme of; 'she asked for it'. I thought we had all progressed beyond that. Not for the first time it seems I am too optimistic.

thishereboi -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 8:46:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 ,.... especially since she apparently invited him in. The shooter suffered a mental breakdown and was hospitalized after the shooting, there is no word on the condition of the daughter, who in my opinion is more responsible for the death than anyone else. A unique variation on the theme of; 'she asked for it'. I thought we had all progressed beyond that. Not for the first time it seems I am too optimistic. No, doesn't have anything to do with "she asked for it". And while I am not sure I would say she was more responsible, she definitely played a part in it. Not sure how she thought lying about it was going to help.

Lucylastic -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 9:01:15 AM)
at 16, in the early hours of the morning, she probably wasnt thinking rationally either, being caught with her man in her bedroom by daddy? its a good job all daddies arent like hers

jlf1961 -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 10:00:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 ,.... especially since she apparently invited him in. The shooter suffered a mental breakdown and was hospitalized after the shooting, there is no word on the condition of the daughter, who in my opinion is more responsible for the death than anyone else. A unique variation on the theme of; 'she asked for it'. I thought we had all progressed beyond that. Not for the first time it seems I am too optimistic. Tweakabelle, and the rest of you who seem to think that the daughter has no part of the responsibility for what happened. Am I to understand that in your opinion, it is an acceptable thing for a 16 year old girl to invite a male friend to her home and her bedroom at a time of night when she knows her parents will be asleep? If your answer is yes, then we have some definite differences in what is acceptable behavior. If your answer is no, then you have to find answers to the following: 1) would the boy have been in the room at that time of night if she had not invited him? 2) If he was there for purely innocent reasons, why then did the daughter initially deny she knew him? And you want to tell me that by her asking the boy over at that time of night had nothing to do with the fact that the father found a boy in his daughter's room that she claimed she did not know and shot him, she had absolutely nothing to do with causing the situation?

Lucylastic -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 10:11:52 AM)
no, you are not correct, and no body has said that its acceptable, OR that she had nothing to do with causing the situation only that she isnt responsible for her father I know many many father s who threaten "boys" and boyfriends with guns to "protect" their daughters "honour my own father got over protective over many boyfriends when me and my sibs were growing up. And catching his daughters in "questionable circumstances" he only had to punch one out, he never had to assert anyother control over someone elses lifethe boyfriends ONLY the man is responsible for himself and his actions, I hope he suffers continuously. Oh and Ive gone thru it with my own kids too. if you want to pretend we have said that she had nothing to do causing the situation, carry on, but you are mistaken.

BamaD -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 10:30:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 ,.... especially since she apparently invited him in. The shooter suffered a mental breakdown and was hospitalized after the shooting, there is no word on the condition of the daughter, who in my opinion is more responsible for the death than anyone else. A unique variation on the theme of; 'she asked for it'. I thought we had all progressed beyond that. Not for the first time it seems I am too optimistic. No, doesn't have anything to do with "she asked for it". And while I am not sure I would say she was more responsible, she definitely played a part in it. Not sure how she thought lying about it was going to help. When she lied it turned him into a rapist. If he "only naturally" grabbed for the gun that forced the fathers actions. Had she told the truth the father wouldn't have had to force the issue. responsible 1 daughter for A. inviting the 17 year old over at 2 am B. lying 2 17 year old for A. sneaking into someone's house in the middle of the night B. trying to grapple the gun 3 17 year olds parents apparently, from their comments they have no problem with their 17 year old roaming around looking for sex at 2 am, a little parental control would have gone a long way. 4 the father for A. trying to protect his daughter B. lack of parental control.

jlf1961 -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 10:32:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic no, you are not correct, and no body has said that its acceptable, OR that she had nothing to do with causing the situation only that she isnt responsible for her father I know many many father s who threaten "boys" and boyfriends with guns to "protect" their daughters "honour my own father got over protective over many boyfriends when me and my sibs were growing up. And catching his daughters in "questionable circumstances" he only had to punch one out, he never had to assert anyother control over someone elses lifethe boyfriends ONLY the man is responsible for himself and his actions, I hope he suffers continuously. Oh and Ive gone thru it with my own kids too. if you want to pretend we have said that she had nothing to do causing the situation, carry on, but you are mistaken. What part of the "twist on the 'she asked for it' is not denying she had a part in this situation? According to this story, the boy was in the girls bed when he was discovered at 2:30 in the morning. Add to that, the girl denied knowing the boy at the time of the confrontation, what the fuck was the father to think? Look, if I were investigating strange noises at 2:30 in the morning, and open my daughter's door, the first thing out of my mouth is going to be "who the fuck is this in your room?" If her answer is "I dont know." that indicates the male was in the room without her consent, in her bed without her consent which would indicate some form of sexual assault. I might not kill the kid, but there is a damn good chance something is going to be rendered permanently useless. So we have a 55 year old father, confronting a male that his daughter says she doesnt know, who was in bed with his daughter. Then there are the facts she had to know. 1) Daddy owns a gun. 2) Daddy is not going to be to happy with her having a boy in her room at 230 in the morning. FYI, the chance the father will be charged with anything is slim to none. Texas law states that deadly force may be used to protect a family member or persons known or unknown, and property. Look up Castle Doctrine. If the daughter had told daddy before he pulled the trigger the boy was her boyfriend and he still pulled the trigger, it would be a different story. Since the daughter denied knowing him, it becomes completely plausible the father thought the boy was trying to rape his daughter, thus under Texas law, deadly force was justified. Now ladies, how many of you screamed and ripped witnesses to gang rapes in bars who did nothing to stop the crime? How many of you have said in those cases, those men should have done something to stop it? How many of you feel that deadly force is justifiable to stop a rape in progress? Cant have it both ways. Daughter lied about the young man, Daddy reacted with the information he had available, boy died.

lovmuffin -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 10:48:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 ,.... especially since she apparently invited him in. The shooter suffered a mental breakdown and was hospitalized after the shooting, there is no word on the condition of the daughter, who in my opinion is more responsible for the death than anyone else. A unique variation on the theme of; 'she asked for it'. I thought we had all progressed beyond that. Not for the first time it seems I am too optimistic. No, doesn't have anything to do with "she asked for it". And while I am not sure I would say she was more responsible, she definitely played a part in it. Not sure how she thought lying about it was going to help. When she lied it turned him into a rapist. If he "only naturally" grabbed for the gun that forced the fathers actions. Had she told the truth the father wouldn't have had to force the issue. responsible 1 daughter for A. inviting the 17 year old over at 2 am B. lying 2 17 year old for A. sneaking into someone's house in the middle of the night B. trying to grapple the gun 3 17 year olds parents apparently, from their comments they have no problem with their 17 year old roaming around looking for sex at 2 am, a little parental control would have gone a long way. 4 the father for A. trying to protect his daughter B. lack of parental control. You left out 5 My fault for A. For owning firearms and supporting ownership for others B. For being one of those bloodthirsty NRA members C. For supporting SYG laws and can hardly wait for an excuse to shoot a teenager

Lucylastic -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/17/2014 10:53:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic no, you are not correct, and no body has said that its acceptable, OR that she had nothing to do with causing the situation only that she isnt responsible for her father I know many many father s who threaten "boys" and boyfriends with guns to "protect" their daughters "honour my own father got over protective over many boyfriends when me and my sibs were growing up. And catching his daughters in "questionable circumstances" he only had to punch one out, he never had to assert anyother control over someone elses lifethe boyfriends ONLY the man is responsible for himself and his actions, I hope he suffers continuously. Oh and Ive gone thru it with my own kids too. if you want to pretend we have said that she had nothing to do causing the situation, carry on, but you are mistaken. What part of the "twist on the 'she asked for it' is not denying she had a part in this situation? If you think its a "denial", then I cant help you According to this story, the boy was in the girls bed when he was discovered at 2:30 in the morning. Add to that, the girl denied knowing the boy at the time of the confrontation, what the fuck was the father to think? why dont you let the actual facts come out??? the boys FAMILY were told...yeah how reliable wow REALLY???? Look, if I were investigating strange noises at 2:30 in the morning, and open my daughter's door, the first thing out of my mouth is going to be "who the fuck is this in your room?" If her answer is "I dont know." that indicates the male was in the room without her consent, in her bed without her consent which would indicate some form of sexual assault. LMAO NO it doesnt it means shes panicking, lying or scared of seeing her ol man with a gun, CAUGHT telling a lie is so much worse than shooting a 17 year old in the head?????? its not even CLOSE to FACTUAL yet but the fact of the kid being dead is. I might not kill the kid, but there is a damn good chance something is going to be rendered permanently useless. whatever, So we have a 55 year old father, confronting a male that his daughter says she doesnt know, who was in bed with his daughter. Then there are the facts she had to know. 1) Daddy owns a gun. 2) Daddy is not going to be to happy with her having a boy in her room at 230 in the morning. FYI, the chance the father will be charged with anything is slim to none. Texas law states that deadly force may be used to protect a family member or persons known or unknown, and property. Look up Castle Doctrine. its Texas, you dont need to say any more of course he wont get jail time he will be feted sick phuqs If the daughter had told daddy before he pulled the trigger the boy was her boyfriend and he still pulled the trigger, it would be a different story. Since the daughter denied knowing him, it becomes completely plausible the father thought the boy was trying to rape his daughter, thus under Texas law, deadly force was justified. Again only from WOM< Now ladies, how many of you screamed and ripped witnesses to gang rapes in bars who did nothing to stop the crime? How many of you have said in those cases, those men should have done something to stop it? How many of you feel that deadly force is justifiable to stop a rape in progress? Cant have it both ways. that is one of the ugliest things I have ever heard you say Jeff...fuck . Having been raped, that is FUCKING pathetic Daughter lied about the young man, Daddy reacted with the information he had available, boy died. Only fact there is that the boy died the rest is speculation

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