RE: Justified use of deadly force

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Justified use of deadly force

Prevent a rape

16% (27)

Prevent bodily injury to self or family member

17% (28)

Protect home from intruders

11% (18)

Protect private property.

3% (6)

Protect self from armed attack

18% (30)

Protect self from attack

14% (23)

Finding an intruder in your home

8% (14)

Stop a trespasser

2% (4)

Stop someone attempting to break into your home.

5% (9)

Total Votes : 159

(last vote on : 3/25/2014 8:09:38 AM)
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BamaD -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 8:48:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I would shoot as well in those circumstances... but see how Bama refuses to even consider trying to hold the intruder at gunpoint for the police if possible. Butch Read the next post, am awaiting your apology.

kdsub -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 8:51:00 PM)
I know there are no guns in Afghanistan. .. but what may i ask do your figures have to do with what I have been saying? Butch

kdsub -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 8:53:03 PM)
That's because I read your post before mine...you can't say one thing then when called change your mind and say the opposite and ask for an apology. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 8:56:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That's because I read your post before mine...you can't say one thing then when called change your mind and say the opposite and ask for an apology. Butch I was typing the second one when yours posted and didn't know what you had said till after mine was posted. This accusation is also inaccurate.

BamaD -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 8:57:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That's because I read your post before mine...you can't say one thing then when called change your mind and say the opposite and ask for an apology. Butch I never said the opposite, you just read it that way.

kdsub -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 8:58:04 PM)
I can't read your mind....I can only go by what you say in the order you say it.

jlf1961 -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 9:00:07 PM)
I have no problem detaining someone until police arrive, providing they actually get in the house. Being the gun loving psychopath that I am, I basically upgraded the doors and windows of my home within a month of purchase. The entrance door, front and back are metal, in a metal door frame which will stop a police battering ram. Due to the hail we have around here (when we actually get a thunderstorm capable of dropping rain and hail, see west Texas drought.) All the windows were replaced with polycarbonate panes instead of glass. They are rated to stop a 45 round. So basically I can sit inside, watch the would be intruder wear himself out trying to get in, while waiting for the police, unfortunately, that means that I cant grab a few guns and shoot the sucker a number of times in order to make sure he is dead. The reason I still own guns, is the fact that no matter how secure my home is, there is the possibility for someone to actually get in to the home.

BamaD -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 9:02:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I can't read your mind....I can only go by what you say Never said you had to but your assessment of me was way off track. I have hand 4 incidents where I could have legally shot someone And while making it clear, without overt threats, that forcing the issue would be very bad for them got rid of the problem without shooting anyone. That is not the way I was portrayed in your post.

kdsub -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 9:05:23 PM)
If the guy managed to open your door... and you had a 12 gauge drawn down on him and you said freeze and he didn't I agree... blow his head off. But that is not what has been happening in these cases we have been discussing. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 9:06:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I can't read your mind....I can only go by what you say in the order you say it. I have never said shooting someone is a good thing. I have said sometimes it is necessary. I have often pointed out that it is justified under the law. And I am revolted by the thought that I owe anyone first strike rights when they have shown hostility and advised where that course of action will take them.

kdsub -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 9:08:21 PM)
Bama you and I have many discussions over the last few months on when to shoot and when not to... you have been very consistent in your answers to me ... I suggest you go back and review them. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 9:56:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Bama you and I have many discussions over the last few months on when to shoot and when not to... you have been very consistent in your answers to me ... I suggest you go back and review them. Butch I know what I have said, and I never said you should shoot someone who is willing to surrender. You have confused my refusal to accept that the bad guy gets first strike does not equal shoot first and ask questions later. Or that my statements that shot, don't shoot being a matter of tactics, which I would expect to be clear also does not = sfaql I have mentioned several times that I had used firearms several times to avoid violence but that has never sunk in to a large segment of our population here.

BamaD -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 10:06:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Bama you and I have many discussions over the last few months on when to shoot and when not to... you have been very consistent in your answers to me ... I suggest you go back and review them. Butch I have also, though it seems to be widely forgotten, supported the convictions in several of these cases. We have one now where right from the beginning I clearly stated my belief in guilt and was immediately attacked because I don't think having a gun makes you guilty. And for opposing the collection of firearms.

BamaD -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/17/2014 10:07:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Bama you and I have many discussions over the last few months on when to shoot and when not to... you have been very consistent in your answers to me ... I suggest you go back and review them. Butch You also forget that in every case the side I have argued has been the side the law came down on or at least the jury, that has to count for something wouldn't you think.

Lucylastic -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/18/2014 12:05:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 People claim that the US leads the world in gun related deaths, which is not the truth, or even close to the truth. Gun related deaths in the US is 10.3 per 100,000 people. In a rating of gun related crime rates, the US is 28th. Source and these are the countries that have a larger figure for homicides Honduras El Salvador Jamaica Venezuela Guatemala Saint Kitts and Nevis Trinidad and Tobago Colombia Belize Puerto Rico Brazil South Africa Dominican Republic Panama Bahamas Ecuador Guyana Mexico Philippines Paraguay Anguilla Nicaragua Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Zimbabwe Costa Rica Argentina Barbados United States It is indeed number 28 out of 185 countries Canada is at 56 Australia is at 89 UK is at 99 and only Brazil (34678) Colombia(12539) Mexico(11309) Venezuela(11115) are higher than the United States(9146) when it comes to the number of homicides by firearm from your own source.... [image]local://upfiles/228382/54AA94B6A9704D19B249AB440A34A4E5.jpg[/image]

MercTech -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/18/2014 11:24:56 AM)
I note that the table was sorted by the total number of homicides by firearm rather than firearm homicides per 100,000 population. (another option there)

Lucylastic -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/18/2014 11:41:24 AM)
yes but the link given to the guardian showed the per 100.000 pop and the US is indeed number 28 out of 185 countries Canada is at 56 Australia is at 89 UK is at 99 the info is downloadable [image]local://upfiles/228382/7E78949BBDED40809C3D78B25B0BD3CE.jpg[/image]

BamaD -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/18/2014 9:54:05 PM)
FR Perfection is not required for justification.

jlf1961 -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/18/2014 10:12:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic yes but the link given to the guardian showed the per 100.000 pop and the US is indeed number 28 out of 185 countries Canada is at 56 Australia is at 89 UK is at 99 the info is downloadable [image]local://upfiles/228382/7E78949BBDED40809C3D78B25B0BD3CE.jpg[/image] Thus endeth the claim that the US leads the world in deaths by gun related crime. And your point is? Considering the only way to actually rank countries is per 100.000 people, and as you so nicely pointed out, there is a big distance between the US and those countries above it. FYI, you might want to look at the gun laws in those countries, if I am not mistaken, private ownership is illegal in at least one of those countries, if not all. Which if true, kinda sorta fucks up the argument that if you eliminate guns, you eliminate gun related crimes.

MercTech -> RE: Justified use of deadly force (3/18/2014 10:21:55 PM)
http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2014/02/24/piers-plummet/ Guy makes a good point. [image]local://upfiles/300375/C1A25D60F97E4724B9D2FBBF1F89FEB7.jpg[/image]

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