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a rant - 3/18/2014 2:56:29 PM   
defiantbadgirl


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Who the hell gives health insurance companies the right to stop paying for diabetes medications that work so people have to switch to medications that don't work? Why isn't this illegal since driving with out of whack blood sugar is dangerous and can cause accidents? Just when my father gets on medications that all work together, the stupid insurance company stops covering a certain medication, he has to take something else, and his blood sugar skyrockets. He lives in a small town and some of the specialists he drives to see are an hour each way. He's always telling me keeping blood sugar controlled is crucial to preventing blindness and limb amputations, but how's he supposed to do that when the insurance company keeps making him switch his meds? Is there anything he can do to get them to knock it off?

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RE: a rant - 3/18/2014 2:59:28 PM   
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Why isn't this illegal


Because your healthcare system is private and curing you is unprofitable.

Actually, the backroom deals with drug companies are probably behind what the insurance company does, tghat and price. You can't cure diabetes so its cheaper for the insurance company to have the bloke die.

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RE: a rant - 3/18/2014 3:10:06 PM   
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That's a good question. My friend is on Medicare and they are constantly changing her meds and claiming it's because of new CMS regulations. Then they give her a new doctor and she has to start all over again.

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RE: a rant - 3/18/2014 3:19:56 PM   
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Is there anything he can do to get them to knock it off?


Could always move to any other first world country where healthcare is socialized and they actually try to help you live better lives instead of profiting off of whatever health problem people have.

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RE: a rant - 3/18/2014 3:23:02 PM   
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Who the hell gives health insurance companies the right to stop paying for diabetes medications that work so people have to switch to medications that don't work? Why isn't this illegal since driving with out of whack blood sugar is dangerous and can cause accidents? Just when my father gets on medications that all work together, the stupid insurance company stops covering a certain medication, he has to take something else, and his blood sugar skyrockets. He lives in a small town and some of the specialists he drives to see are an hour each way. He's always telling me keeping blood sugar controlled is crucial to preventing blindness and limb amputations, but how's he supposed to do that when the insurance company keeps making him switch his meds? Is there anything he can do to get them to knock it off?


Without knowing just what medications your father was on, or was changed to, it is difficult to understand the reasoning behind the change of policy.

However, you, actually your father, has the right to contact the insurance provider and ask for a medical justification for the change.

As for reasons an insurance may change what they will and will not pay for is varied, and not just based on the bottom line.

As older medications are usually cheaper, a change to a different medication is not usually based on cost savings. The newer medication could have less chance of side effects, where as the older medication has a higher risk.

My mother had MS, and complications from that condition contributed heavily to her death in 2008. During her years of treatment, medications were changed at the insurance company's discretion. I usually contacted the insurance carrier to ask why, and it never failed that I would get a packet with a cost analysis, information on the new medication which was the same that went into the PDR, and a bunch of other information.

True, sometimes the covered medications changed for cost reasons, however, the insurance company never forced a medication change to an inexpensive medication if there was not some other benefit to the patient.

In fact it would be foolish for the carrier to do so, since any complications of a lesser quality medication is going to eventually lead to a hospital procedure that is going to cost a lot more than keeping the old medication in the coverage list.

Add to that there are Government regulations that actually do make the practice illegal, and in place long before obamacare.

The only drugs or treatments that a carrier can refuse to cover are those that are still considered experimental, or the long term benefits are unproven.

My suggestion is to contact the insurance company, ask for a written statement as to what the reasons for the change were, and then check the effectiveness of the new medication against the old.

There is one thing you should know about diabetes, what may be working this week may not work next month or next year. The longer you are on a medication, the less effective it is.

Before you scream foul, make sure you have valid grounds, and if so, contact a lawyer. Class action suits against insurance companies are winnable, and the legal fees the lawyer gets can easily place him or her in a much higher income bracket.

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RE: a rant - 3/18/2014 3:33:58 PM   
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Who the hell gives health insurance companies the right to stop paying for diabetes medications that work so people have to switch to medications that don't work? Why isn't this illegal since driving with out of whack blood sugar is dangerous and can cause accidents? Just when my father gets on medications that all work together, the stupid insurance company stops covering a certain medication, he has to take something else, and his blood sugar skyrockets. He lives in a small town and some of the specialists he drives to see are an hour each way. He's always telling me keeping blood sugar controlled is crucial to preventing blindness and limb amputations, but how's he supposed to do that when the insurance company keeps making him switch his meds? Is there anything he can do to get them to knock it off?


I can complete understand your frustrations! I really hope your dad can get access to what he needs and live happily for a long, long time. That said, this is a situation faced by millions of Americans, if not tens of millions. I have never liked those companies that profit off the suffering of others. Its one thing to make a tidy profit, its another to make 'new record highs' year after year. But that is the problem when we allow healthcare companies to operate without government rules and close observers. The reason government helps in this case, is to direct a company to response to a stronger message than just one individual (who is often ignored).

In the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, things are set up a bit differently for those on Mass Health (state run healthcare). When a person needs a medication and/or treatment not normally covered, they have to place in a document for request (usually the doctor's office handles this directly). If that is not helping, one of the best ways to help is the person's local representative. The Democratic ones will spent time to push the necessary steps through the system quickly. If they can not do it directly, there have been plenty of volunteers to help out. Republican representatives react slowly, but are improving since a greater abundance of people are now voting for their challengers in elections. When a crop of people are looking for the same medication and/or treatment, the 'ok' is given quicker.

This is what happens when you have good government working for your personal interests. No American should be held over the political barrel by for-profit insurance companies without their government having a say by the individuals it represents. An that really highlights the primary difference between Democrats and Republican/Tea Party. The former cares about people's health while the later cares only for itself and profit. Make sure you keep that in mind when you go to vote in the future....

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RE: a rant - 3/18/2014 3:47:20 PM   
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Jeff had a lot of good things to say and from my experience, most of it is valid.

As a licensed life and health insurance producer, I had to read all of the law that most refer to as obama care.

I said it then and I'll say it again; it should have been called: A Love Letter to the Insurance Industry.

There are no provisions for actually making health care more affordable past the bullshit cry of insurance companies that claimed that rates were so high because of all the people who weren't covered.

Rates were so high because the Hippocratic oath has gone the way of all flesh, drug companies were also greedy, hospitals past costs on at an outrageous rate (I've personally paid $75 for a Tylenol tablet), and because we're dealing with peoples' health.

One of the things that used to terrify insurance companies was diabetes. It was a nightmare for them, from their POV. They did everything in their power to find some other reason to drop diabetics from their roles.

I suffer from a chronic, life-ending illness. It will eventually kill me. The one good thing that obama care did was to declare that insurance companies could not refuse insurance to people with pre-existing conditions. That sounds great but since it also just about wiped out every policy that was offered to people because they didn't meet "obama care standards", it allowed the insurance companies to re-design their market for (again) maximum profit.

What the law didn't say was that the insurance companies couldn't anally rape the people who had pre-existing conditions and had policies that were cancelled.

I would take a guess and say that when your dad's insurance company re-vamped their policies, they decided to move to a newer medicine (This might have been an honest attempt at "catching up to new treatments" though, I doubt it). That newer medicine is more expensive and since, quite frankly, the insurance companies don't know how long a diabetic will live or how many amputations or other procedures they'll need, they build in a large cushion to their new policies.

It's a huge shit sandwich and we're all being forced to take a bite. I believe it's the true nature of "healthcare reform", come home to roost.

Best to your father.





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RE: a rant - 3/18/2014 5:37:04 PM   
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To be honest developing medicine is very expensive. So the companies want their investment back. Plain and simple. I remember a very open answer of a drugcompany PR spokesman on a new medicine against cancer. He said exactly this. "This new medicine is just for the rich."

There you have it, it sucks being sick and poor.

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RE: a rant - 3/18/2014 6:05:47 PM   
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Oh and just to add it doesn't always help to move to the so called 'social' countries.They won't cover everything as well. The drugcompanies will refuse business when they don't wanna pay topdollar.

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RE: a rant - 3/19/2014 12:00:07 AM   
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To be honest developing medicine is very expensive. So the companies want their investment back. Plain and simple. I remember a very open answer of a drugcompany PR spokesman on a new medicine against cancer. He said exactly this. "This new medicine is just for the rich."

There you have it, it sucks being sick and poor.



Most medicines are produced in universities, which in Europe are usually funded by the state and then developed into products by drug companies. It's not really in the economic interest of drug companies to provide cures, but chemical crutches. They are on the whole, drug pushers. Who's paying for research into AIDS? Not drug companies.

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RE: a rant - 3/19/2014 4:31:11 AM   
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quote:

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Is there anything he can do to get them to knock it off?


Could always move to any other first world country where healthcare is socialized and they actually try to help you live better lives instead of profiting off of whatever health problem people have.


But...but...but...merica's number one

and commie socialized medicine will take away my doctor and lead to death panels

why couldn't everything be simpler,you know,like them revolution days...when doctors didn't charge you an arm and a leg,they just sawed them off with wood saws,and gave you leeches

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RE: a rant - 3/19/2014 5:54:27 AM   
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Who the hell gives health insurance companies the right to stop paying for diabetes medications that work so people have to switch to medications that don't work? Why isn't this illegal since driving with out of whack blood sugar is dangerous and can cause accidents? Just when my father gets on medications that all work together, the stupid insurance company stops covering a certain medication, he has to take something else, and his blood sugar skyrockets. He lives in a small town and some of the specialists he drives to see are an hour each way. He's always telling me keeping blood sugar controlled is crucial to preventing blindness and limb amputations, but how's he supposed to do that when the insurance company keeps making him switch his meds? Is there anything he can do to get them to knock it off?


Sometimes it isn't the insurance companies ultimately but the doctors.

Sometimes medications would be covered if the doctor sends a Prior-Authorisation request in, and often patients don't know enough to ask, but sometimes doctors can't be bothered.

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RE: a rant - 3/19/2014 6:04:06 AM   
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Oh and just to add it doesn't always help to move to the so called 'social' countries.They won't cover everything as well. The drugcompanies will refuse business when they don't wanna pay topdollar.

Where ? Specifics ?

The real problem is the American business/social cultural construct. Society (people at large) is to serve economy, (profits) not the other way around.

In the countries that have single payer govt. run insurance for other than banks, crops and investors like for things such as health...economy is to also serve society...at least a little bit.

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RE: a rant - 3/19/2014 1:50:33 PM   
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That's a good question. My friend is on Medicare and they are constantly changing her meds and claiming it's because of new CMS regulations. Then they give her a new doctor and she has to start all over again.

It's funny how I've literally never had that happen to me or the dozens of other people I know all with very complicated medical issues all on Medicare.

As a matter of fact Medicare regulations expressly forbid forcing someone to ever change doctors against their will.

You friend wouldn't happen to actually be in Medicare Advantage instead? Which is an HMO which takes the Medicare premium and does as little as possible in order to make a profit?

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RE: a rant - 3/19/2014 5:09:48 PM   
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That's a good question. My friend is on Medicare and they are constantly changing her meds and claiming it's because of new CMS regulations. Then they give her a new doctor and she has to start all over again.

It's funny how I've literally never had that happen to me or the dozens of other people I know all with very complicated medical issues all on Medicare.

As a matter of fact Medicare regulations expressly forbid forcing someone to ever change doctors against their will.

You friend wouldn't happen to actually be in Medicare Advantage instead? Which is an HMO which takes the Medicare premium and does as little as possible in order to make a profit?



I don't know but I will try and remember to ask next time I talk to her.

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RE: a rant - 3/19/2014 8:29:10 PM   
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Health insurance companies don't provide health care. So, they can pay for whatever they consider the minimum they can do for you and fulfill the letter of their contract.

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