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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 3/24/2014 5:59:20 PM   
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Maybe I'm much more pragmatic than you.
I like to have my cards on the table so there are no surprises later down the line.
Something as important as that, I would certainly not want to continue the relationship.

I see it in the same critical light in that I wanted a female as a partner.
If I later found out that it was a TG, I'd walk. Simple.
Small little things are ok.
But this sounds like something major that needs/should be discussed openly before they get married.
It's not like they've only just met - they have been together for 7 months already.
That should be more than long enough to broach the subject by now in an honest manner.
In a normal(?!) western-style relationship, things are usually discussed when the moment is right.
However, this doesn't strike me as the usual western-style 'open' relationship.

And even more so that they have both agreed to wait for marriage before having sex.
That sort of culture usually (but not always) assumes the "standard" male-ruling type of arrangement.
If that is the case, OP's new hubby is more than likely going to be horrified that his new wifey-woo wants him to be the sub in the relationship.
I can see this seriously backfiring on OP.


I'm going to agree that it's important here. I think the suggestion of deception though is extremely harsh. This isn't that she is lying about who she is, it's a part of herself not disclosed, caring about how the other might react. I appreciate the difficulties that hits, and simply implore her to lay the cards on the table because how she wants to take the relationship is somewhat unorthodox and it is not fair to lock a man into something like that via marriage.


If it were something that she just liked on occasion but could live without quite happily (which is exactly how I felt) then I'd say I was in the same boat the OP. In this case, she wants to start making changes. It's beyond time to come clean.

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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 3/25/2014 5:39:10 AM   
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You mustn't deceive him. Trying to do this by stealth isn't fair, it's actually (in my opinion) a reflection of your own, at the moment, relatively undeveloped confidence in your own dominance, and it probably won't work. Earlier in my life I was unable to be clear about what I needed, or to admit it, and that unspoken aspect, even in a relationship where there was punishment and bondage, just corroded trust. Go that way, and you risk unhappy marriage for you both. Please talk to him.

When you talk about dominance, as someone else noticed, it's all about sex. If that is what you want (and there's nothing wrong with that) then I suspect the chances of "converting" (or perhaps the better word would be recruiting) a random man on the street are not that bad. Many men are excited by the idea of a dominant woman, and are very fetishistic. So if he's interested in your sort of sex life after you speak, I think you can go a fair way with that as long as you make sure you develop and adapt your style so that it excited him.

But if secretly you want more than dominant sex - if you want to be the full-time leader and decision maker in your marriage, with him loved and valued in an acknowledged subordinate role, loving you by serving you - then your chances are I suspect lower. And you must not try to trick him into a marriage like that.

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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 3/25/2014 1:00:50 PM   
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Being careful about what you say is one thing, but she talks about just doing things to make him be submissive without atlking about it. So did you not full read the OP or is your comprehension a bit off??

I'm all for her sitting down and having a conversation with him. I'm not for duping him into thinking this is how sex is supposed to be by doing it without his knowledge.

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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 3/25/2014 1:12:04 PM   
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Since he doesn't have any sexual experience (virgin) and I heard that men's first sexual experiences influences their preferences , maybe I can make him submissive, by setting the tone for our sex life early on. I was thinking that I would start off slow and gradually increase the kinkiness so it seems natural and he doesn't even realize what's happening until it's too late. Also, everytime we have sex , I would dominate him a little more , e.g. woman-on-top sex , holding him down, grabbing his hair, etc.... and especially during the ejaculation part ,so I can condition him to associate sexual pleasure with his submission . Then again, he's not a dog, so simple conditioning might no


Does this sound like just being careful of when and how you tell someone? Because the above is very duplicitious.

Whenever you care to apologize for YOUR miscomprehension of the OP.....




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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 3/25/2014 1:13:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Being careful about what you say is one thing, but she talks about just doing things to make him be submissive without atlking about it. So did you not full read the OP or is your comprehension a bit off??

I'm all for her sitting down and having a conversation with him. I'm not for duping him into thinking this is how sex is supposed to be by doing it without his knowledge.



Completely agree, now that you mention it. Serious issues here.

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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 3/25/2014 9:20:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heartlessgoddess

Sorry if my english isn't perfect, it's my second language.

My boyfriend and I have been together for seven months. We are both in our early 20s, but neither of us has any sexual experience, because we come from a conservative cultural background. So you are probably wondering, how do I know that I'm a Domme if I've never had sex before? Well, I know for certain, because I've had these thoughts and fantasies from when I was young, even before I knew what sex was. Vanilla sex (or thinking about vanilla sex) does nothing for me. I have no reaction to vanilla porn at all. It's non-sexual to me. When I watch femdom, it's exciting and arousing to me. I know what I want , and I know what I like.

I love my boyfriend, I can't over-emphasize that, and even if he is vanilla, I wouldn't leave him for that reason. I hope I can convert him. I'm assuming he is vanilla, because we never talked about sex, but I gave him hints, and I even told him that I have a bossy side,which didn't seem to get his interest. So now we are serious (planning to get married), and sex is after marriage according to our culture. I love him and I want to marry him but the thing that scares me the most is the sex. What if we're not sexually compatible? what if he hates the idea of female domination? He isn't a sexist, and he supports women's rights, etc.. but that's not the same as being submissive. I actually want to be with someone who is submissive and not just open-minded to try new things , because I want him to be *turned on* just as much as me. I'm not a true sadistic, because it's not fun to me if he doesn't secretly like it too.

Since he doesn't have any sexual experience (virgin) and I heard that men's first sexual experiences influences their preferences , maybe I can make him submissive, by setting the tone for our sex life early on. I was thinking that I would start off slow and gradually increase the kinkiness so it seems natural and he doesn't even realize what's happening until it's too late. Also, everytime we have sex , I would dominate him a little more , e.g. woman-on-top sex , holding him down, grabbing his hair, etc.... and especially during the ejaculation part ,so I can condition him to associate sexual pleasure with his submission . Then again, he's not a dog, so simple conditioning might not work that well.

So what do you think? can vanilla men be turned submissive? I guess I have no option but to find out
Any advice/suggestions would be appreciated.. and especially from submissive men, if you ever had the moment where it 'clicked' in your mind, what was it about the sexual experience that made you switch from vanilla to submissive ?






First, right now this is all in your head. You might like it in real life. You might not.

Second, as other have said, just talk the guy.

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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 3/26/2014 4:22:00 AM   
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This sounds like it's going to be a train wreck, I' sorry and I wish you the best of luck.

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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 3/26/2014 5:08:42 AM   
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You've gotten some good advice, Heartless. If you can't sit down and talk to this guy about sex, then you need to back up and reconsider marrying him. It's just that simple.

I have a article in my blog about how to get my husband to dom me in bed. I think it works fine if your reverse the sex and orientation of the couple.

http://beyond50shades.com/how-to-get-my-husband-to-dominate-me-in-bed-parts-1-3/

I hope this helps. I agree that not talking about your sexual needs and going ahead with the marriage is a trainwreck in the making.




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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 3/26/2014 5:51:25 AM   
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I WANTED to dig inside myself and find that snarly bit of energy and make it work because Carol wanted to explore that. So motivated by my love for her I imagined what sort of energy would reasonably be driving a statement like "blow me bitch" and summoned it up. It wasn't all that hard.


Ah, now that chimes for me. Even I, a submale, managed to dig out the dominance I had in me for a partner I loved, once. There's something utterly crucial lying in those words. Well said!

OP, if you can get your partner to be submissive, I think he may well do it in the same way as Jeff. That is, he might go on a search for whatever submissiveness there is in him and learn to use it. But it might not come quickly, it might not come without a struggle (especially if he's a traditional sort of man and feels it to be 'unmanly') and, most importantly of all, his submission might take a form that's entirely different to what you currently imagine. Your femdom/malesub Nirvana may exist, but it may not look at all like your present picture of it. I would suggest, don't have too much of agenda; experiment, play, but remember, *always have fun*!

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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 5/10/2014 12:37:00 AM   
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Just chain him to the kitchen table and fuck him with a big black strap on cock ! He will be yours forever! It worked for me ! Lol

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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 5/10/2014 1:45:41 AM   
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A strong relationship needs:
- Good communication
- Good Sex
- Trust

If those aren't working, your relationship is not going to work, not now and not when you get married


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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 5/13/2014 5:52:08 AM   
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I think youre forgetting the most important aspect of any relationship -- communication.
Communicate with him...sounds like youre not if youre guessing when it comes to the man you claim you want to spend the rest of your life with.

Thats going to solve your problem right there.
Trying to "Mold" him into what you need isnt going to work, nomatter how sneaky you try to incorporate your progression.

You think youre a Domme, but thats only because you dont seem to have a man with a strong personality that over powers yours.
you really dont know, but if it works for you and your guy then hey whos to argue what will work for you.
The only way youre going to find out is if you COMMUNICATE your desires with him, and find out what his are.


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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 5/16/2014 7:51:02 PM   
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Take it slow.

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RE: Introducing my vanilla fiance to femdom? - 5/17/2014 10:45:02 AM   
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you might also have to accept the fact that even if he submits - he might not derive the pleasure nor have the involvement in the experience that you might want. As a dominant - I need to feel that I am controlling my submissive in a way she needs to be controlled and that she's getting fulfillment. It makes me feel quite awkward when get a feeling that the submissive is just trying to make me happy.

There might be some dominants out there who really do believe their pleasure has primacy over all other considerations. I am not one of them and you might not be either.

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