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RE: Is it true? - 12/4/2004 1:40:17 AM

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Angel rarely feels she should write so strongly.

I am in England, born and raised.
I have known American Dominants, English Dominants, European (German&Swiss), Canadian & a South African... and Angel can honestly say that whilst there may be cultural differences, that what has just been stereotyped by Yourself is utter bull.

There, Angel said her piece.

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RE: Is it true? - 12/4/2004 1:49:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: Random71203

6 plus years in the UK. There are differences. Outside the big cities you'll find things more on par with the US. Remeber that most forms of kink started somewhere other than the Americas. They've been living it long enough for the shine to have worn thin.

I personally prefer newbie subbies. Even if it's just a fantasy wannabe taking a test drive. But then I'm all about challenges.

The ultimate challenge would be to dominate a dominatrix. MMmmmm... what a ride that must be.

Cheers and spankings for all!

Again, I have to disagree... I live 'outside the big cities' (recent) and come from(born raised and lived) a city... the only 'differences' are purely individual and person ones. I find it almost horrorific that in these times that people still find a need to stereotype whole communities.

Yikes, and am I just being a tiny bit over-reacting, or do i smell a vague whiff of disrespect to female Dominants?
Goodness...(counts to ten and meditates)

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RE: Is it true? - 12/4/2004 10:35:22 AM

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I will say this much being a once slave and now sub . Excuse my words Sirs but I am bold and open and speak as to How I feel and this upsets me that any Dom would ask for a experienced sub/slave. This in my opinion shows laziness and could careless.(in all due respect here and apologies Sir and Ma'ams.. I would avoid those who could careless about their posotions and shows perhaps maybe they donot know what a Dom is or have no experience themselves. There are mnay ways to look at this but I am sure Im right about one or all of my opinions ..When two work together on a relationship ,it shows that consideration and care and love is given by Both not one..The key word is together,I had a Dom who I adored teach me that word,and now we are always together in hearts and friendship..So ignore a Dom (respect meant) who says you need experience if he wants you he will create his orchestra or masterpiece to His/Hers desires.. smiles hugs serenity

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RE: Is it true? - 12/4/2004 11:05:42 AM

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with words such as your lil it is obvious that you
were NEVER a slave just a submissive whom dreamed
of becomming such. JMO

Many Dominants desire to have those that are experiance
and it has nothing to do with any of the things or reasons that you
mentioned up above. I suggest BEFOR you post words
in tempting to say what Dominants feel and think and do
you ask Us as it is plain your experiances are VERY limited. JMO

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RE: Is it true? - 12/4/2004 11:26:25 AM

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Excuse my words Sirs but I am bold and open and speak as to How I feel and this upsets me that any Dom would ask for a experienced sub/slave. This in my opinion shows laziness and could careless.(in all due respect here and apologies Sir and Ma'ams.. I would avoid those who could careless about their posotions and shows perhaps maybe they donot know what a Dom is or have no experience themselves.)

this slave has been in the lifestyle for quite some time now and when she was asked by her first Master what her experiences were, when she told Him she had none He said that He wanted an experienced sub/slave and taht He would teach this slave what she needed to know to be able to serve a Master. He eventually became this slaves Master and she served Him to the best of her ability always learning, growing and experiencing new things right up to and including the day He died.

ok now maybe this slave is going off the deep end here but don't you dare to presume that a Master/Mistress doesn't care about a sub/slave just because They say They want an experienced sub/slave. maybe that Dominant plays harder than He/She thinks the sub/slave could handle and does NOT wish to break the sub/slave's spirit and damage them. "JMO"

if asking for an experienced submissive/slave then it is showing that the Dominant does care about submissives/slaves because They DON'T wish to harm the submissive/slave in any way shape or form. "again JMO"

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RE: Is it true? - 12/4/2004 12:03:28 PM

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Choosing to become either a submissive or a slave
is a life long changing lifestyle which takes more
skill training and learning then any of the career
items that You mentioned. It is not only a desire
but a skill applyed, practiced and yes even sumtimes
used for gainfull employment instead of purly personal
use to please One or More. Im sure sub4hire or any
Prosubjudicate here on the boards could tell You
of the monitary value good training in their applyed
skill insues.
JMO.

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RE: Is it true? - 12/4/2004 12:13:27 PM

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Random71203
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RE: Is it true? - 12/4/2004 1:54:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Estring

So what do you do, throw them the manual and tell them to read it? Of course you need to train a sub. And that doesn't mean that they don't have their own needs, wants, thoughts, or desires. What it means is that they put you before all those things. That is hardly a doormat.

Oh, so now I get it. You train a submissive to put herself second to all other concerns. Hmm, sounds more like brainwashing to me. And no, there is no manual. You can't train someone to be submissive. S/he is submissive or not. I've read so much crap about training it's ridiculous that hardly ever does the discussion include what the training is for. Yes, training may be involved to learn certain skills: typing, using a computer, cooking, etc. But to think a person can be trained to submit? Umm, no. It's a desire that s/he possesses or doesn't. Guidelines and rules may be set concerning behavior or activities. However, that is not training. A relationship involves two people; it's not a one-way street. While you "train" her to server you better, she is also "training" you to understand better her needs and desires. That's how a relationship is built, lasts, and evolves.

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RE: Is it true? - 12/4/2004 3:22:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: CloudThrasher

Oh, so now I get it.

No, I think it's pretty clear that you don't.

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You train a submissive to put herself second to all other concerns. Hmm, sounds more like brainwashing to me. And no, there is no manual. You can't train someone to be submissive.

I don't believe anyone here claimed that you could. Feel free to point out where anyone did.

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S/he is submissive or not. I've read so much crap about training it's ridiculous that hardly ever does the discussion include what the training is for. Yes, training may be involved to learn certain skills: typing, using a computer, cooking, etc. But to think a person can be trained to submit? Umm, no.

Second verse, same as the first.

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It's a desire that s/he possesses or doesn't. Guidelines and rules may be set concerning behavior or activities. However, that is not training.

Now you're arguing semantics. Learning, training, whatever you want to call it, it's all the same. Submissives/slaves are trained to follow certain protocol depending on the needs/desires of their owners, they're trained to act in a certain way, perform certain tasks in a particular way, it goes on and on. You can feel free to call this process whatever you like, but I think you need to deal with your issues over the use of the word 'training' in a different way. Dredging out your pompous rhetoric for anyone who doesn't adhere to your goose-stepping doctrine is not quite the best way to swing people over to your way of thinking.

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A relationship involves two people; it's not a one-way street. While you "train" her to server you better, she is also "training" you to understand better her needs and desires. That's how a relationship is built, lasts, and evolves.

Thanks for that news flash. I'll alert the media.

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RE: Is it true? - 12/4/2004 3:25:26 PM

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Stef, will you marry me?

Uh...yeah. Thanks for posting, I like the way you say things, every time.

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RE: Is it true? - 12/5/2004 11:33:39 AM

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I wish my Master handed me a manual of "DON'T EVEN TRY IT"!!! I learned the hard way!!! Maybe I should write the book for him!!!

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RE: Is it true? - 12/5/2004 12:23:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

Stef, will you marry me?

Can we have a big church wedding?

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Uh...yeah. Thanks for posting, I like the way you say things, every time.

Thank you!

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RE: Is it true? - 12/6/2004 8:03:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: cynnacent1

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MasterWithBlades: Most submissive have been trained in the Americanization form of D&S (leather-clad biker mentality).

my Master is an American, likes bikes (i've yet to have seen Him in leather), and since i am all too knowing of how ignorant it can be to group people by stereotypes, i'll not even try to differentiate whether He IS or IS NOT of the 'typical' biker mentality.

Saying bikers are not intelligent? Funny conclusion in that the love of motorcycles is shared by a very diverse group of people, IE: doctors, lawyers, judges, white collar, blue collar etc ... (just as a short example, the list goes on & on).

Being a submissive does not equal being unintelligent, or clueless, or helpless, or needy. we are NOT all waiting for some prince charming to fly in from Europe to 'educate' us on *his* limited definition of submission.

i was NOT trained prior to being owned by INSIDEYOURMIND, and as all of my clues and my intelligence remain intact and up to par, i have served Him quite well from day one and continue to do so.

Well put, Cynnacent1. I was thinking the same thing. My father is a "leather-clad biker" and is the most intelligent person anyone could meet. I hardly think anyone should judge a person on how they dress. There may be a Masters degree in Sociology and a published author underneath all that leather. (As my father happens to be.) A Harley Davidson does not a simpleton make.

In my training with Master and Mistress i have had no complaints in service, and will continue to do my best to serve Them.

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RE: Is it true? - 12/10/2004 2:30:48 PM

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Let me answer the last part of your question first: Training a sub takes time, energy, money, and effort. Some of us enjoy the task; some do not.

Now for the first part: Some of us enjoy watching a sub progress from a newbie to an evolved sub capable of serving in the best possible fashion. Some of us think a sub should act in certain ways, and must train a sub to fit our notions. Some feel the only way to gain a sub's total loyalty is to train them from a newbie, or break them down and remold them.

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