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Aneirin -> can be applied to modern living (7/8/2006 12:55:07 PM)

I was reading earlier about the chivalric code and how it can be applied to modern living.Interesting I thought,are there any Doms be they Gorean or otherwise that consider themselves chivalrous in respect to their charges be they submissive or slave.Does chivalry come into the lifestyle?



reverendtorres -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/8/2006 1:21:07 PM)

I certainly hope so!  Chivalry is one of the top qualities I look for in a partner, right up there with honor and adaptability.



SirDaniel -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/8/2006 1:36:26 PM)

I have never looked at being a Dom or Master as and excuse for not being a gentleman. Same was as being rude. I do not think it is an excuse for being so. I concider my self 'part gorean' because I do not follow it as a hand book but more as a guide.

I have also trained my son to be a gentleman as well.



IronBear -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/8/2006 1:58:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I was reading earlier about the chivalric code and how it can be applied to modern living.Interesting I thought,are there any Doms be they Gorean or otherwise that consider themselves chivalrous in respect to their charges be they submissive or slave.Does chivalry come into the lifestyle?


The chivalric code you refer to is something I was brought up on. Ok so I'm an old fart with Edwardian concepts but with some chivilary is alive and well today as it ever was... Like Honour, Integrety, Loyalty, Duty and Courage, Chivalry is something deepo in you and what you are. These traits are not something you don when the occasion arises but is part of your makeup. Chivalr incorporates Honour Integrety, Loyalty, Duty and Courage and often dictates that you will take actions which seem strange, old fashion, against modern thinking and sometimes even barbaric to those not versed in these codes. Yet it is honest.



SirKenin -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/8/2006 2:07:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I was reading earlier about the chivalric code and how it can be applied to modern living.Interesting I thought,are there any Doms be they Gorean or otherwise that consider themselves chivalrous in respect to their charges be they submissive or slave.Does chivalry come into the lifestyle?


I am chivalrous actually, but believe it or not I have been with women who do not like that.  Even My wife does not care for it most of the time.



fyrekittyn -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/8/2006 4:04:14 PM)

I prefer a courteous gentleman. I must admit, I enjoy being treated like a little princess, and think it is adorable when someone opens the door for me, or takes my safety into consideration...etc.



Curiossdragnlily -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/8/2006 4:19:14 PM)

Absolutely. i can't answer for my Master. But He is always to me. Is that not apart of also taking care of Your slave? Is that also not apart of seeing to his/her safety? Master knows that i know my place. But He has never thought of me as His chattel and treated me as such.W/we know of Some that have made Their slave carry the toy bag after public play. Master would never do that to me. i help Him and make sure He all of O/our things. But He carries it as he knows i usually having trouble just functioning.
with respect,
lily, collared and owned slave of Master Curios
srn 308-692-331



Lashra -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/8/2006 4:24:51 PM)

My sub used to be a Master and he is very chivarlous and honorable. He was brought up *old school* and he opens doors, carries packages and the like. I wouldnt have a man who didn't act like a gentleman, I am a Lady who truly appreciates one.

~Lashra



thisishis -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/8/2006 7:04:24 PM)

A person can maintain dominance, and/or a position of authority, while expressing acts of chivalry.

Prior to meeting my Master in June 2004, a portion of my profile described traits which i hoped any potential dominant male, who may show interest in owning me as their slave, would possess.  A part of that portion of my profile which described the type of man i sought, explained that i need "...a gentleman who is more man than gentle, and capable of understanding the fine balance which should exist between the two...".

my Master filled those needs from day one, and has not once given me any reason to view Him as anything less.

His instructions to me rarely are worded to sound bossy or controling.
He almost always directs me in a way that sounds like a request, while it is always understood by me that they are commands.
It's rare that i've been asked to provide service to Him without hearing the words 'please and thank you' from Him.
He opens doors.
He says excuse me when needed.
He says He is sorry when it applies to any given situation.
He is always conciderate of my feelings, and makes certain that i am always aware that He is ...
There have been times when He has been angry with me, disappointed in me, and annoyed with me, yet He never has given me reason to know Him to be anything less than a gentleMan.


Acts of common chivalry do not any less of a man make, rather they define him as being more than.



enigmabrat -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/8/2006 7:22:25 PM)

what does chivalrous mean I kinda know but im not really sure (please dont think im too stupid for not knowing)

-da enigma-



Aneirin -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/9/2006 2:22:46 AM)

I was brought up to be chivalrous with the saying 'manners maketh the man'.

The code as it stands;

The Chivalric Code

* Live to serve King and Country.

* Live to defend Crown and Country and all it holds dear.

* Live one's life so that it is worthy of respect and honor.

* Live for freedom, justice and all that is good.

* Never attack an unarmed foe.

* Never use a weapon on an opponent not equal to the attack.

* Never attack from behind.

* Avoid lying to your fellow man.



SusanofO -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/9/2006 2:29:39 AM)

I have to confess that  my late husband would always open things like doors for me, yet leave me to dispose of about 100 tons of snow (without a snow-blower) in our driveway in the Winter (because he was rarely at home, and also somewhat of a "tightwad" in some instances). Sometimes I hired a neighbor kid to help, because I have the "driveway that never ends" - it's really, really long.

I got so miffed at this kind of thing that one time I said: "Please don't open the car door for me anymore. I just hauled a 100 pound couch up our basement stairs, alone" (we were getting a new couch for the "family room", and I had to move the old one). I am not sure the concept "registered" with him, just specific behaviors he'd been taught as a child. He said he "got it" (but he really did not).

I will stop complaining about him - he did had a few good points. But I think that is a great example of what some people think of as chivalrous might completely "miss the mark"  I've always liked chivalrous behavior in general - but I will also open a door for someone if they look like they need my help (or ask), whether they are a man or a woman.

- Susan 



twicehappy -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/9/2006 3:52:53 AM)

Absolutely! I always look for those old fashioned qualities not only in a Master but in any man.

Luckily for me my Master is the perfect Knight in shining armor, only on an iron horse.



ShiftedJewel -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/9/2006 3:58:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDaniel

I have never looked at being a Dom or Master as and excuse for not being a gentleman. Same was as being rude. I do not think it is an excuse for being so. I concider my self 'part gorean' because I do not follow it as a hand book but more as a guide.

I have also trained my son to be a gentleman as well.


Daniel... in my book you and yours are the epitome of chivalrous, you have rescued a damsel in distress, albeit via her proxy. Not only did you rescue my stranded sub, but you opened your home to him and showed him a wonderful time while he was there. And we were strangers. Actions like that tell me that chivalry is alive and well. And we are strangers no longer... yes, I still wanna make that trip to Vegas! (just not on the bike... I've heard about how treacherous that can be there..lol)
 
Take care of you and yours Daniel.
 
And yes, I believe that chivalry does come into play in the lifestyle, in many forms. Not just being protective of those in our lives, or opening doors and pulling out chairs, but in the manner that we (at least some of us anyway) live by a code of honesty and honor. I'm not saying that being in the lifestyle somehow makes you better then 'nilla... I'm saying that "living" the lifestyle with honesty, trust, respect and communication makes you a better person for having been there.
 
Jewel



SusanofO -> RE: can be applied to modern living (7/9/2006 5:53:27 AM)

I like chivalrous behavior in general. I wonder how a submissive would display that? I guess for me it woud tend to be in the form of encouraging people or giving them a safe haven kind of feeling (hopefully), where they knew they could be themselves and relax. I am not sure that is what this thread is about, though.

- Susan



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