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BamaD -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (3/28/2014 9:47:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

That's one small step for mankind.
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One small step for the destruction of the bill of rights




truckinslave -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (3/28/2014 9:59:49 AM)

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The same SCOTUS said it is an individual right


I'm sure you realize that you just cast a fact before a liberal. To what end, Bama, to what end?

Seriously... those who believe Presidential candidates should have to prove their eligibility are called "birthers". Those who believe the Holocaust is a lie are called "deniers". Do we need a term for people who refuse to accept the reality of the 2nd A?
Is "refusniks" still taken?





BamaD -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (3/28/2014 10:35:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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The same SCOTUS said it is an individual right


I'm sure you realize that you just cast a fact before a liberal. To what end, Bama, to what end?

Seriously... those who believe Presidential candidates should have to prove their eligibility are called "birthers". Those who believe the Holocaust is a lie are called "deniers". Do we need a term for people who refuse to accept the reality of the 2nd A?
Is "refusniks" still taken?



I do it in case there are reasonable people on here. I do not want his absurdity to stand unrefuted.




MercTech -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (3/28/2014 10:49:38 AM)

The court didn't bolster a gun ban but rule on the constitutionality of using a misdemeanor conviction as a qualifier for suspending a constitutional right.

A felony conviction automatically suspends the right to vote, own firearms, and bars a person from holding certain government jobs. With the increased criminalization of the population; many states have enacted laws to automatically restore rights for felony convictions. Yet, many still have to petition too have their rights restored and that takes years.

One reason my hackles get up when I hear some wanting things like "texting and driveing" classed as a felony.




DomKen -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (3/28/2014 5:04:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Good, the Supreme Court finally ruled on that challenge to the Lautenberg Ammendment. This isn't new; it is a challenge to one provision of the Gun Control Act of 1968 and has been wending its way up the court structure since 2001.

One of the things that is in law to prevent you from buying firearms or ammunition is having been convicted of domestic violence and you have a peace bond on you. In other words; no matter how pissed you are at your ex; once you have resorted to violence you are barred from buying a gun or ammunition to shoot your ex spouse.

The ban on firearms purchase was challenged because domestic violence is a misdemeanor. A lower court ruled it was not legal. That decision was overturned in appellate court. Then it went to the supreme court for a final ruling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act
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Under the GCA, selling of firearms to certain categories of individuals is prohibited. As quoted from 18 U.S.C. 922 (d):

It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person— (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year; (2) is a fugitive from justice; (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution; (5) who, being an alien— (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26))); (6) who [2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; (8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that— (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B) (i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.


And that puts an end to the 2nd amendment is a personal right nonsense. Courts can't take away your personal rights for misdemeanors.

The same SCOTUS said it is an individual right so .....WRONG

Funny right that a court a legislature can take away from you forever for a misdemeanor conviction.

IOW that's not a right.




BamaD -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (3/28/2014 5:11:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Good, the Supreme Court finally ruled on that challenge to the Lautenberg Ammendment. This isn't new; it is a challenge to one provision of the Gun Control Act of 1968 and has been wending its way up the court structure since 2001.

One of the things that is in law to prevent you from buying firearms or ammunition is having been convicted of domestic violence and you have a peace bond on you. In other words; no matter how pissed you are at your ex; once you have resorted to violence you are barred from buying a gun or ammunition to shoot your ex spouse.

The ban on firearms purchase was challenged because domestic violence is a misdemeanor. A lower court ruled it was not legal. That decision was overturned in appellate court. Then it went to the supreme court for a final ruling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act
quote:

Under the GCA, selling of firearms to certain categories of individuals is prohibited. As quoted from 18 U.S.C. 922 (d):

It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person— (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year; (2) is a fugitive from justice; (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution; (5) who, being an alien— (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26))); (6) who [2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; (8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that— (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B) (i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.


And that puts an end to the 2nd amendment is a personal right nonsense. Courts can't take away your personal rights for misdemeanors.

The same SCOTUS said it is an individual right so .....WRONG

Funny right that a court a legislature can take away from you forever for a misdemeanor conviction.

IOW that's not a right.

Try writing that again in a coherent sentence
I believe you meant to say was :
Funny that a court or legislature can take a right away from you for a
misdemeanor conviction. See that was coherent.




thompsonx -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/2/2014 1:08:11 PM)

why would I care about some asshole who can't control his temper.

Never try to shoot someone when you are angry...it spoils your aim.




BamaD -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/2/2014 1:46:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

why would I care about some asshole who can't control his temper.

Never try to shoot someone when you are angry...it spoils your aim.

LOL




TallClevMan -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/2/2014 1:54:53 PM)

If drunk driving can be a felony (which it is in most states after a certain number of convictions), then why not texting and driving? Most studies done show that a texting driver is just as likely to cause an accident as a drunken driver, so why should they be treated differently?




stef -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/2/2014 2:19:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TallClevMan

If drunk driving can be a felony (which it is in most states after a certain number of convictions), then why not texting and driving? Most studies done show that a texting driver is just as likely to cause an accident as a drunken driver, so why should they be treated differently?

Not sure what this has to do with gun laws, but they should be treated the same. Both show wanton disregard for the safety of others.




Phydeaux -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/2/2014 3:17:42 PM)

How is removing the right to own a gun a small step for the rights of man?

Perhaps for their next act they can remove the right of assembly.




BamaD -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/2/2014 3:59:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

How is removing the right to own a gun a small step for the rights of man?

Perhaps for their next act they can remove the right of assembly.

My point exactly.
It goes back to freedom flows from regulation.




JeffBC -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/2/2014 4:22:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Anything that knocks the nra/geopee back a notch, is a good day.....

OK, this is a serious question.

Do you really mean "anything"? Does it matter at all to you whether the constitution says one thing or the other?

For me personally I'm not very happy with how readily our society strips people of their "constitutional rights" for a wide variety of reasons.




BamaD -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/2/2014 4:32:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Anything that knocks the nra/geopee back a notch, is a good day.....

OK, this is a serious question.

Do you really mean "anything"? Does it matter at all to you whether the constitution says one thing or the other?

For me personally I'm not very happy with how readily our society strips people of their "constitutional rights" for a wide variety of reasons.

You don't have to be a member of the NRA (I'm not) or a Republican (same) to see that
that outlook is just s....d




PeonForHer -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/2/2014 4:33:02 PM)

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How is removing the right to own a gun a small step for the rights of man?


Perhaps because it's seen as adding to the rights of of those who are currently getting shot.




BamaD -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/2/2014 4:59:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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How is removing the right to own a gun a small step for the rights of man?


Perhaps because it's seen as adding to the rights of of those who are currently getting shot.

It is infringing on a constitutionally protected right.




PeonForHer -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/2/2014 5:26:47 PM)

But it's augmenting the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, isn't it?




BamaD -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/2/2014 5:26:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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How is removing the right to own a gun a small step for the rights of man?


Perhaps because it's seen as adding to the rights of of those who are currently getting shot.

Think of the Constitution as a contract between the U S government and the people.
You cannot make a contract and then a few years later change the meaning without actually
changing the contract.
Just as many contracts have a means to negotiate changes at a later time so does the Constitution.
If they want to change the meaning of any part of it the strict constructionist
insists that they follow that process. The "living document" argument is we just say it means
something different without making any actual changes.




BamaD -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/6/2014 4:09:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

But it's augmenting the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, isn't it?

A Declaration of Independence not the Constitution.
B When the protected rights go so do those.
C When government can give you anything you want, it can take anything you have
Thomas Jefferson




PeonForHer -> RE: High Court Bolsters Domestic Violence Gun Ban Law (4/6/2014 4:41:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

But it's augmenting the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, isn't it?

A Declaration of Independence not the Constitution.
B When the protected rights go so do those.
C When government can give you anything you want, it can take anything you have
Thomas Jefferson



A) Yes, I know, I looked it up.
B) The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is far more basic and important than the right to carry a gun. Please tell me that you're not arguing with that. that's presumably why it was conveyed even before the Constitution was put together.
C) No relevance that I can see. You'll need to explain - with reference to the demand to 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness', rather than the much less important issue of ownership of guns, if at all possible.




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