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And yet you are attempting to require that christians fund goods and services that are in violation of their religious values. You are requiring christians to fund abortions and contraceptives which are deeply abhorrent to them.

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Why should business have to cover contraceptives at all? Why should business have to cover any health care expenses?

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It is also nonsense to scare monger and say that Muslim businesses
Will be able to impose sharia law. Etc. There are already restrictions in place that businesses must follow when they serve the public.

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I wonder how much of Hobby Lobby's inventory comes from child laborers and/or sweatshops.

But I am sure those child laborers and sweat shops are for the 'legal' purposes of making a 'profit' through labor, are...constitutionally iconoclastic.

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you mean the ones that came straight out of dc's imagination?

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you mean the ones that came straight out of dc's imagination?

I wish to God it were my imagination.

Despite its fast-growing economy, China has witnessed a substantial increase in child labor risks over the past year, ranking 20th compared with 53rd a year earlier.

The report said that unofficial estimates suggested that 100,000 children are employed in the country's manufacturing sector.

"The use of vocational work and study schemes, along with the continued use of children in factories, present significant supply chain risks to companies even in the more economically developed provinces," the report said.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/world/child-labor-index-2014/


The majority of employers in China do not employ child labour and yet the increased stress on competitive production combined with a poorly regulated labour market and widespread corruption has resulted in some employers turning to child labour as a way of reducing unit costs of production. Children are both cheaper and easier to exploit than adults and can often do repetitive work which requires agility and smallness. One article in the Workers’ Daily summed up the profitability of employing children and quoted an employer as saying: “For every piece produced by an adult worker, I have to pay one dollar while I only have to pay a child 70 cents. Children’s food and lodging costs are also cheaper”.

The International Labour Organization projected that there would be 9.25 million economically active children between the ages of 10-14 in the year 2000 and that there were 11,575,000 economically active children between the ages of 10-14, representing 11.55% of this age group in 1995. In some enterprises, official reports indicate that child workers make up as much as 20% of the work force.

http://www.clb.org.hk/en/content/child-labour-china-causes-and-solutions


In estimates, as many as 10 million children are working in China’s factories, contributing their part to keep China a low-cost manufacturing powerhouse.

http://webpages.scu.edu/ftp/multimedialearning/wkwok/less%20money%20statistics.html


Two research digests (PDF)

http://www.du.edu/korbel/hrhw/researchdigest/slavery/china.pdf
http://www.du.edu/korbel/hrhw/researchdigest/china/ChildLaborChina.pdf

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that was in response to this comment "I wonder how much of Hobby Lobby's inventory comes from child laborers and/or sweatshops." and I might be mistaken but that sounds like it's coming straight out of your head.

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Now it could be that Hobby Lobby is really using this kind of shit, but since I know it will be claimed whether it is true or not, why would I believe it when it really does happen.

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It is also nonsense to scare monger and say that Muslim businesses
Will be able to impose sharia law. Etc. There are already restrictions in place that businesses must follow when they serve the public.

Your stance on scaremongering is a tad hypocritical, dont you think.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4502047/mpage_4/key_sharia/tm.htm#

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that was in response to this comment "I wonder how much of Hobby Lobby's inventory comes from child laborers and/or sweatshops." and I might be mistaken but that sounds like it's coming straight out of your head.

Of course, it came from my head. Where else do questions arise? And that's what my post was.

Hobby Lobby is a major retailer. That makes it exceedingly likely that at least some of its inventory comes from China. As Leslie Marshall pointed out in the essay to which DK linked earlier in the thread, "Hobby Lobby imports billions of dollars of products from China. Don't take my word for it. Walk into its stores and turn its items over and you'll clearly see: 'Made In China.'" Given what we know about labor conditions in China--which is far less than we'd like, given the repressive and secretive regime--it strikes me as fair and reasonable to wonder, and that's the verb I used, whether Hobby Lobby's merchandise is produced in accordance with the "Christian values" the company professes so showily.

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Now it could be that Hobby Lobby is really using this kind of shit, but since I know it will be claimed whether it is true or not, why would I believe it when it really does happen.

That sounds like someone seeking an excuse for ignorance.

But then, ignorance can be not merely blissful but profitable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po94GJBvdwQ

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Cool story bro......no seriously, cool story, was a very compelling quote [:)]

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Lets see - the Democratic Party buys supplies from China.

And yet I don't hear you decrying them for buying from sweat shops. Why is that?

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See, now THAT's the definition of hypocrisy.

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Lets see - the Democratic Party buys supplies from China.

And yet I don't hear you decrying them for buying from sweat shops. Why is that?

Let's see . . .

(a) That's totally off topic.

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(b) Democrats don't claim that they're "Honoring the Lord in all we do by operating the company in a manner consistent with biblical principles."

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I'm glad you agree its off topic. Just as much off topic as Hobby Land's business practices are off-topic on a question of whether the US government has violated their religious and due process rights

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Why should business have to cover contraceptives at all? Why should business have to cover any health care expenses?

Because single payer didn't pass. Yet.

So, there is little to no responsibility on the actual care receiver to pay?

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you mean the ones that came straight out of dc's imagination?

I wish to God it were my imagination.

Despite its fast-growing economy, China has witnessed a substantial increase in child labor risks over the past year, ranking 20th compared with 53rd a year earlier.

The report said that unofficial estimates suggested that 100,000 children are employed in the country's manufacturing sector.

"The use of vocational work and study schemes, along with the continued use of children in factories, present significant supply chain risks to companies even in the more economically developed provinces," the report said.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/world/child-labor-index-2014/


The majority of employers in China do not employ child labour and yet the increased stress on competitive production combined with a poorly regulated labour market and widespread corruption has resulted in some employers turning to child labour as a way of reducing unit costs of production. Children are both cheaper and easier to exploit than adults and can often do repetitive work which requires agility and smallness. One article in the Workers’ Daily summed up the profitability of employing children and quoted an employer as saying: “For every piece produced by an adult worker, I have to pay one dollar while I only have to pay a child 70 cents. Children’s food and lodging costs are also cheaper”.

The International Labour Organization projected that there would be 9.25 million economically active children between the ages of 10-14 in the year 2000 and that there were 11,575,000 economically active children between the ages of 10-14, representing 11.55% of this age group in 1995. In some enterprises, official reports indicate that child workers make up as much as 20% of the work force.

http://www.clb.org.hk/en/content/child-labour-china-causes-and-solutions


In estimates, as many as 10 million children are working in China’s factories, contributing their part to keep China a low-cost manufacturing powerhouse.

http://webpages.scu.edu/ftp/multimedialearning/wkwok/less%20money%20statistics.html


Two research digests (PDF)

http://www.du.edu/korbel/hrhw/researchdigest/slavery/china.pdf
http://www.du.edu/korbel/hrhw/researchdigest/china/ChildLaborChina.pdf

I wasn't disputing child labor, that was in response to this comment "I wonder how much of Hobby Lobby's inventory comes from child laborers and/or sweatshops." and I might be mistaken but that sounds like it's coming straight out of your head. And of course MrR had to let us know how they will try to explain something you only wondered about. In a few weeks someone else will be posting it as fact and calling for a boycott. Now it could be that Hobby Lobby is really using this kind of shit, but since I know it will be claimed whether it is true or not, why would I believe it when it really does happen.

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I'm glad you agree its off topic. Just as much off topic as Hobby Land's business practices are off-topic on a question of whether the US government has violated their religious and due process rights

At the heart of Hobby Lobby's claims lie its supposedly Biblical values.

It's incredibly telling that you don't see any connection between those "values" and the company's "business practices."

St. James might disagree: "But be doers of the word, and not merely hearers who deceive themselves" (Jas. 1:22).