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LookieNoNookie -> RE: Should books be subject to age restrictions? (3/30/2014 7:12:22 PM)

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Actually, the only book I've ever interfered with my kids reading is Night by Elie Wiesel. It's such a disturbing book that I insisted it be read only in daytime, so as not to cause nightmares.

A very important book but also very upsetting.


I was just thinking that "Schindler's List" should be shown in high schools, and pondering at what grade level.




We went to see it when it came out, I was 15.
Since then it has been a standart fixture in german history classrooms. As far as I can tell, it is mostly shown between grades 5 and 7, 8 at the latest. Making the kids 10/11 to 12/13 years old.
My oldest saw it once in 5th grade, during philosophy class, and once in history class, at the start of grade 7.


Put me down as a "no" vote too.
I have been a voracious reader from a young age, reading everything I could get my hands on. It did me good.

When parenting, we believe that if a child can understand it, he can read it, and if he does not understand it, he is not likely to have the staying power to keep reading.
We actively foster an environment that encourages them to read everything they want, and let them know that we are always open for discussions and explanations.


And, if they can't grasp it, they'll stop reading it/put it in the "I'll never read that book again" pile but....a kernel/seed will be placed, and it'll germinate. When the time comes, they'll seek it out and get vastly more from it then.

There is no such thing as a bad book (there's some shitty, poorly written ones, but no bad ones).



Moonhead -> RE: Should books be subject to age restrictions? (3/31/2014 7:09:11 AM)

I'd disagree that there's no such thing as a bad book: shitty, poorly written books are bad in every way that matters, and even sticking purely to content, I doubt you'd find many defenders for loathsome abominations like The Turner Diaries or The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion. (Both of which are, now I think about, pretty badly written in addition to their other faults.) I wouldn't want to see either banned, but I really can't imagine anybody getting much out of either besides an affirmation of their pre-existent bigotry and intolerance. Frankly, I'd be much more worried about a kid reading dreck like that than the nastiest graphic splatter horror or the sickest fetish porn...



LookieNoNookie -> RE: Should books be subject to age restrictions? (3/31/2014 6:02:01 PM)


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I'd disagree that there's no such thing as a bad book: shitty, poorly written books are bad in every way that matters, and even sticking purely to content, I doubt you'd find many defenders for loathsome abominations like The Turner Diaries or The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion. (Both of which are, now I think about, pretty badly written in addition to their other faults.) I wouldn't want to see either banned, but I really can't imagine anybody getting much out of either besides an affirmation of their pre-existent bigotry and intolerance. Frankly, I'd be much more worried about a kid reading dreck like that than the nastiest graphic splatter horror or the sickest fetish porn...


Poorly written.

Here's how you can tell:

If it's boring, disconnected, disjointed.....poorly written.

Don't read it.



MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Should books be subject to age restrictions? (3/31/2014 7:54:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I'd disagree that there's no such thing as a bad book: shitty, poorly written books are bad in every way that matters, and even sticking purely to content, I doubt you'd find many defenders for loathsome abominations like The Turner Diaries or The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion. (Both of which are, now I think about, pretty badly written in addition to their other faults.) I wouldn't want to see either banned, but I really can't imagine anybody getting much out of either besides an affirmation of their pre-existent bigotry and intolerance. Frankly, I'd be much more worried about a kid reading dreck like that than the nastiest graphic splatter horror or the sickest fetish porn...


"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" has been proven to be a fraud. "Mein Kampf" has been proven to a disastrous attempt at pseudo-science. They are still in the New Yourk Library. Want to know why? The Jews lobbied to keep them in there.

They also made those pieces of tripe be relabeled as "Antisemitism" rather than "Philosophy" or "Sociology."

I was joking when I said that books should be banned due to quality. Erasing books is an attempt to redraw the past. Eddington suggested the Arrow of Time. Einstein proved that it true.



Moonhead -> RE: Should books be subject to age restrictions? (4/1/2014 1:03:15 PM)

Pity you didn't use a winky to let the poster who agreed with you that there's books that should be banned know you weren't serious, then.



MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Should books be subject to age restrictions? (4/1/2014 1:24:13 PM)

I rarely use smileys. That would be cheating.



Kaliko -> RE: Should books be subject to age restrictions? (4/1/2014 1:33:24 PM)

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I don't think it's necessary for books to be subject to age restrictions, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. It's a parent's duty to help shape their child with the morals and values that they feel are important. They should be taking the time to determine whether what is being read is appropriate for their child. So yes, I would support age restrictions, as long as a parent can choose to override those restrictions.

A parent can't read every book that's out there before their child does. So they have no choice but to rely on others to help them make the decision as to whether something is inappropriate. Thankfully, there are plenty of reviews out on Google these days so when a book comes along that they're not familiar with, they can see what other parents say about it.

I don't feel it's in the child's best interest to take away the parent's ability to parent because books will set their mind free, blah blah blah. They're the parent, and they should be steering their child down the path of what they believe is right for that child as long as they are able to; providing guidance. That means the books that enter their house. (As well as the movies watched and the sites visited on the internet, etc)




Moonhead -> RE: Should books be subject to age restrictions? (4/9/2014 10:49:16 AM)

If the parents aren't competent to do that by themselves, then they aren't competent to be raising kids either.



RemoteUser -> RE: Should books be subject to age restrictions? (4/9/2014 3:54:12 PM)

Books are ideas. Would you withhold ideas from others? Perhaps, circumstantially, but books, like ideas, don't simply go away (though some might disintegrate through the passage of time), and a rating is just anonymous advice from individuals you will never know, representing something that you do. (Comics Code Authority, anyone?)

I don't want to see books withheld, destroyed or suppressed any more than I would want the same for ideas. The good things sink in, the bad ones play themselves out and find a quiet place to die, or slip into torpor.

As a parent I'm not about to let my son thumb through anything too advanced or graphic for his age. As for the rest, if he can sit down, explain the book to me in words, give me one quote - of any part, any length - he found memorable, then I find nothing wrong with it at all. In fact, he already does this voluntarily, with series he likes like Diary of a Wimpy Kid.



DesFIP -> RE: Should books be subject to age restrictions? (4/9/2014 6:47:56 PM)

Freshman English first semester at the Quaker high school my kids attended was almost entirely composed of banned books.

Although I don't think Huck Finn is that great a book to start kids discussing history of slavery. I think Pudd'nhead Wilson is preferable.



Moonhead -> RE: Should books be subject to age restrictions? (4/10/2014 6:08:42 AM)

A lot more kids are likely to have heard of Huck Finn, though, even if Pudd'nhead Wilson actually raises a few questions with the whole mixed race thing.
(As far as that goes, there are much less pleasant portrayals of black slaves in other fiction from Twain's time that's never been banned or censored: Poe springs to mind for a start...)



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