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RE: American Riot about dutch beer commercial - 3/28/2014 4:06:58 PM   
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Grolsch... I still have several dozen of the ceramic top Grolsch bottles.. wonderful for putting up the home brew.

Since they started brewing it under license in the U.S. since 2006 it is not worth the premium price. Lowenbrau went the same way decades ago.

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RE: American Riot about dutch beer commercial - 3/28/2014 4:10:30 PM   
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nobody here drinks the dutch toiletswill they pass off as beer.

actully that's not beer it's radler, a mix of beer and lemon soda, I see they also have a version with orange soda that I don't know if I'd appreciate.


Leinenkugel Brewery has a Summer Shandy which is their "wheat beer with a refreshing natural lemonade flavor." Personally, I find it to be awful, though most people I've talked to about it agree it's great. They also have an Orange Shandy which I find more palatable, though I have yet to talk to anyone else about it, so I don't know hot it's been received in comparison.


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RE: American Riot about dutch beer commercial - 3/28/2014 4:17:23 PM   
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It has been said that there is no such thing as a bad beer..............There is good beer and then there is better beer. Whoever said that had obviously never tasted a brew by the name of 'Three Horses' from Madagascar. There used to a pic of three horses on the label, galloping across a plain. I think that was to give warning what the stuff in the bottle would taste like. I believe they are exporting the stuff now.................they must be looking to start a war.

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RE: American Riot about dutch beer commercial - 3/28/2014 6:49:54 PM   
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The only riot I could see coming from that advert is the riot of all the lawyers fighting for who is going to get to sue for using a star's image without permisssion. Yep, the estate of a dead actor can sue for damages if you use the image of the star for commercial purposes without permission.

I think it was Taco Bell that had to pay Tom Waites (musician who refuses to do commercials) a nice chunck of change for using an obvious Tom Waites impersonator intheir commercials. The precedent is there. Beiing an "Elvis tribute singer" is viewed much differently than using an elvis impersonator in something like a fried chicken commercial message.

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The discussion on beer reminded me of what a German engineer once said on the subject, "Americans are taught to drink their beer so horridly cold so they won't realise how bad it really is." To me, the difference in taste between something like Budweiser and a Newcastle Brown Ale is so different that they shouldn't be considered the same type of beverage. I'll pass on the sex in a canoe U.S. brews and hold out something with decent flavor. I suppose I'm in the minority as I'm not out to guzzle the most alcohol I can in the quickest period of time but enjoy the flavor.

That is exactly the riot, Bavaria does these kinda stunts more. Provoke and get global media attention. I think it's pretty smart. They are the company who got sued by the fifa world soccer association at the world championships in south africa. Because it's not allowed to advertise a non official brand. They did it like this...The bavaria dress.



I would say they're pretty smart cookies. I drink grolsch BTW FYI

PS the girls in the pic got arrested for it on the spot.
Now that's commitment!
I would love to see them in cuffs too!

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RE: American Riot about dutch beer commercial - 3/29/2014 6:43:52 PM   
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And the German laws on what constitutes "beer" are some of the most restrictive in the world.

Gad, my latest fav microbrew wouldn't even be considered beer in Germany. Magnolia Breweries "Pecan Lager" has an unusual put good flavor.

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RE: American Riot about dutch beer commercial - 3/30/2014 5:19:35 AM   
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A Mexican beer, Corona is the No. 1 import into the US and...for very good reason, without the fucking lime. If I can't get Corona, it is St. Paulis Girl, or...I don't drink beer.

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RE: American Riot about dutch beer commercial - 3/30/2014 6:47:51 AM   
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Heineken is still the strongest brand in the world, your turn.


Heineken is still the 8th strongest brand, behind Budweiser and even Chinese beers.

The strongest brand is still Snow Beer, a joint UK/Chinese venture.

http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/06/the-worlds-top-10-beer-brands/11/

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RE: American Riot about dutch beer commercial - 3/30/2014 7:52:34 AM   
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A Mexican beer, Corona is the No. 1 import into the US and...for very good reason, without the fucking lime. If I can't get Corona, it is St. Paulis Girl, or...I don't drink beer.


I prefer La Bohemia Cerveza if I'm having a Mexican brew. Just my taste for stronger flavored brews.

If we are talking beer though; may I offer the beer drinkers a chuckle:






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RE: American Riot about dutch beer commercial - 3/30/2014 8:52:37 AM   
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I tend to agree, it is hard to screw up beer, especially on tap, but some do manage to do a pretty good job screwing it up. Blue collar types might love their Bud, but if you ever had the Czech budweisen, you would realize that Bud is simply a beer to drink cold to knock back a six of, not actually drink it for pleasure, it is pisswater compared to good beers (among other things, Budweiser uses rice to cheapen up the ingredients instead of using pure barley malt, and they also use high fructose corn syrup to boost the alcohol content, and they also use GMO wheat)..Budweiser I suspect wouldn't be allowed to be sold in Germany as beer, given their strict standards.

The Dutch do make good beer, besides Heineken, they also make Grolsch, Amstel (not just the light, there is an amstel lager that is really, really good) and a number of other brands. Almost anything coming out of Europe beats the swill mainstream american breweries make, the smaller guys in the US make good beer, but the mass producers like Budweiser and Miller make shit for the most part (sadly, they have put out beer, like Blue Moon Ale, making it seem like it is a craft beer, when it isn't). Put it this way, if you need to use corn sugar or rice in your beer, it is crap, if you are going to make beer it should be made from barley malt, yeast and water and hops, that is it.

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RE: American Riot about dutch beer commercial - 3/30/2014 9:23:18 AM   
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Now I'm thinking beer in history and putting on the old SCA hat and rattling on a bit.

When beer came from small batches brewed at the local tavern; it was common to do three washes of the malted grain for fermentation.

The first wash for "first beer" or "top brew" would ferment out at 12-20% alcohol. Modern brewers would dilute this for tax appropriate alcohol content. You can't even sell it as beer in the U.S. but if you run across the rare "barley wine" you are getting what your ancestors considered the good stuff.

The second wash was the main beer for sale and would be 4-6% alcohol and would be drunk at most meals.

The third was would ferment out at 1-3% and was known as "small beer" and fit for ladies and children and with breakfast.

Now you know what they refer to in books as "small beer".

Oh yes, hops was originally added to beer as a preservative. Unhopped beer will go bad in a couple of weeks but hops gets it to last for a month or more (empirical test). -we are talking without refrigeration here

My own brew is a brown ale. Top fermenting is easier in the climate I live in (temperature constraints) and I like the nutty flavor you get from roasting the malted grain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hops



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RE: American Riot about dutch beer commercial - 3/30/2014 9:35:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Now I'm thinking beer in history and putting on the old SCA hat and rattling on a bit.

When beer came from small batches brewed at the local tavern; it was common to do three washes of the malted grain for fermentation.

The first wash for "first beer" or "top brew" would ferment out at 12-20% alcohol. Modern brewers would dilute this for tax appropriate alcohol content. You can't even sell it as beer in the U.S. but if you run across the rare "barley wine" you are getting what your ancestors considered the good stuff.

The second wash was the main beer for sale and would be 4-6% alcohol and would be drunk at most meals.

The third was would ferment out at 1-3% and was known as "small beer" and fit for ladies and children and with breakfast.

Now you know what they refer to in books as "small beer".

Oh yes, hops was originally added to beer as a preservative. Unhopped beer will go bad in a couple of weeks but hops gets it to last for a month or more (empirical test). -we are talking without refrigeration here

My own brew is a brown ale. Top fermenting is easier in the climate I live in (temperature constraints) and I like the nutty flavor you get from roasting the malted grain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hops





Nice description of the history of beer. The only comment I have is that alcoholic content and what you can call beer is not federally regulated, it is all state regulations. For example, out in God's little acre, more than a few states regulate that beer has to be 3.5%, whereas most commercial beers are ~ 5%, so they tend to go for lowest common denominator. In other states, above a certain level, you have to call it Barley Wine or Malt liquor (Malt Liquor, though, is generally used for the crap like Colt 45 and such, that is made cheaply with the alcohol content bumped up by using sugar to make cheap alcohol, ghastly stuff). Thinks like EKU 28 (14% alcohol), Semiclaus (sp? Swiss stuff, about 12%) don't say beer on the label I believe, but what most of them do, like Anchor's Old Foghorn Barley Wine, simply label it like that, because then they can use the term in all states, since they don't call it beer.

And yep, hops were a preservative, unless you were lucky and had cold caves, like how they produced lager beer before refrigeration, it helped keep it from going bad (now a lot of beers use things like citric acid, or some other preservatives like BHA/BHT, and actually use hop flavoring). It is hops that give beer its bitter flavor, the more hops=more bitter.

I generally did top fermenting/ale yeast style of beers when I was making beer years ago, just for me a lot easier (I could do it, always had an extra fridge I could use, or a cold place in a garage in colder weather), I still enjoy Anchor Steam Beer, especially their christmas brew.

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RE: American Riot about dutch beer commercial - 3/30/2014 10:27:45 AM   
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You are right. Most of the definition of alcoholic potables based on alcohol percentages is located in regional tax laws.

Most of the states I have direct experience with class beverages as a "wine" for tax purposes at around 7% by volume. Sometimes this creates confusion, especially with imports.
One example is a now defunct law was the Texas labeling law that said "beer" could not be over 4% alcohol.
http://www.texastribune.org/2012/08/09/tabc-changes-what-it-means-to-be-a-beer/

Exemplars of typical products tend to run in ranges. (alcohol by volume)
Near Beer or Non Alcoholic Beer - <2%
Beer (malt beverages) 3-6%
Hard Cider or Perry 4-8%
Wine 7-14%
Liquor or cordials >20% (40 proof and up)

Since home brews are not diluting to a target standard, you can get a 12% ABV beer if you like. But it would be taxed, labeled, and sold as a wine in most jurisdictions.

Given that classic beer is made from fermenting a wash from malted barley (I consider hops optional with refrigeration. If I can't get noble hops with the lower bitter coefficient I'd rather do without.) there are plenty of "malt beverages" that the average Joe would call beer that don't fit the definition. i.e. Heffeweizen (Wheat beer) and "Banana Beer" really does well with a luau.


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