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Conditioning - 11/22/2004 5:04:38 AM   
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RE: Conditioning - 11/22/2004 5:32:52 AM   
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Does anyone have any links or info on conditioning/ reconditioning/ training a slaves mind?

Do a word search on psychology or psychiatry, you will probably come across information on Cognitive Behavioral Training.

Try http://www.rsmpsychology.com/cognitive_behavioral_therapy.htm

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RE: Conditioning - 11/22/2004 9:29:23 AM   
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Below is an article on Conditioning in a D/s Relationship that my ex and I used to have on our website, it explains alot.

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Conditioned Behavioral Response in D/s Relationships
by alexi

O.K. , so what’s this “conditioned response” stuff and why should I care? Well... would it be a good thing or a bad thing if your sub got so excited and aroused that they begged you to let them do your ironing, make the bed, or (put your own least favorite chore here). Or... would you like to be able to get your sub so intensely sexually aroused that they almost pull the eyebolts loose on your favorite St. Andrew’s cross - just by flogging them! But, we can just talk about the weather if you really don’t think you’re interested in this “conditioned response” stuff...
O.K. O.K. no more S/M (submissive manipulation).

Conditioned behavioral response training is taking advantage of a naturally occurring unconditional stimulus/response relationship to create the conditioned stimulus/response relationship that you desire. It started with the Pavlov’s Dogs stuff you read about in school. We’ve all seen or read about (or taken part in :-) ) scenes where the top either alternated between genital stimulation and flogging - or did both simultaneously. (Remember the training room in Ann Rice’s The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty).

Intentionally or not, the sub was being subjected to conditioned response training. His natural <genital stimulation (unconditional stimulus)> < results in > < sexual arouse (response)> was being utilized to train him. The Domme was evolving the cycle to <genital stimulation (unconditional stimulus) & flogging (conditional stimulus)> <results in> <sexual arousal (response)>. If done properly, and if the Domme desired it, she could progress to where the sub had a new stimulus/response relationship - <flogging (conditional stimulus)> <results in> <sexual arousal (response)>. Don’t worry - this in no way changes or interferes with the original stimulus response relationship - it’s more like adding an additional doorway into an existing room.

Some of you Domme’s may have even squeezed your sub’s testicles as you rode them in the Female Superior position. If you did this right through the moment of your sub’s orgasm on a number of occasions, later you may have found that you could now bring him quickly to full arousal just by squeezing his testicles. He will still find this painful and not like it, but will be powerless to prevent his own erections. Conditioned response training operates at the SUBconscious level. Once it “takes” it results in reliable behaviors regardless of the state of the SUBjects conscious mind. Deliciously deviant, eh?

There are two types of conditioned behavioral response training. The first is “Classical Conditioning” as researched by Ivan Pavlov and the second is “Operant Conditioning” as studied by B. F. Skinner. Both have deliciously deviant application within D/S relationships.

In Classical Conditioning the SUBject is SUBjected to a pair of stimuli, one stimulus which naturally leads to the desired response (unconditional stimulus) and one which the trainer wishes the subject to respond to (conditional stimulus). It requires no voluntary action on the part of the subject. Both of the previous cases are examples of Classical Conditioning.

In Operant Conditioning, a voluntary action on the part of the subject is paired with an unconditional stimulus and its natural response. An example of this would be stimulating a sub’s genitals to cause arousal as he performed some chore. Eventually the sub would become sexually aroused every time he performed that chore and therefore would be highly motivated to repeat that behavior. (Oh, Mistress X, your sub was so enthusiastic about attending to your needs and fetching you drinks at the party last night...How ever did you do it?” - to which you answer wordlessly with a knowing smile.)

O.K. - This all seems “intuitively obvious to the most casual observer”. Many of us have either done it (perhaps unknowingly) or seen it done. So what’s the big deal. Well - like the man said - I have good news and bad news.

The bad news is that many times it doesn’t work, or takes so long you lose interest and give up, or the new behavioral response will work at first and then fade.

The good news is that (1) none of the bad news is necessary if the correct methods are used, (2) colleges and universities have spent millions researching the best ways to do all this kinky “conditioned response” stuff, and (3) it can all be done in the context of some really hot play if you structure it right.

Rule Number One - Use as strong an unconditional stimulus/response relationship as possible. Ivan Pavlov used food/hunger, but for our purposes direct genital stimulation/sexual arousal is a stronger motivator, more fitting to D/S play, and one helluva lot more fun :-)
Direct genital stimulation/orgasm is the strongest permutation of this <unconditional stimulus> <results in> <response> relationship and yields extremely persistent, reliable conditioned response behaviors.

Rule Number Two - Always begin with a continuous reinforcement schedule until the behavior pattern is well established, i.e. every instance of the conditional stimulus is followed by the unconditional stimulus or “reinforcer” - don’t rush - “gradualness is the first requisite to good science” (Ivan Pavlov)

Huh?
In the beginning be very consistent - “practice” at least daily - preferably more often. And providee the unconditional stimulus or reinforcer (direct genital stimulation) every time the conditional stimulus or operant (whipping, ironing, you name it) is applied until the conditioned response is well established. In the very beginning it may be necessary to start the genital stimulation (reinforcer) before the conditional stimulus or operant, waiting until the arousal response is established before introducing the conditional stimulus or “operant”. As early in your program as possible, however, this order should be reversed. Start the conditional stimulus or operant first and then apply the direct genital stimulation (reinforcer). This is so that as early in the “program” as possible your SUBject( :-) )will begin to SUBconsciously anticipate that direct genital stimulation will follow the operant or conditional stimulus.

You will know that it’s beginning to work when your sub begins to exhibit signs of arousal (response) before the direct genital stimulation (reinforcer) begins. Once the behavior (responding with sexual arousal to the operant or conditional stimulus) is established, slowly begins to delay the genital stimulation (reinforcer). Don’t make the delay constant or predictable from one session to the next. “Variable Ratio schedules especially engenders highly persistent behaviors.” In other words, don’t allow your SUBject to be able to predict when the unconditional stimulus will begin.

If you find you can delay genital stimulation, say 2 minutes and still achieve continued arousal response before that, then vary the delay anywhere from 1 to 3 minutes. Slowly progress toward longer and longer average delays and less and less direct genital stimulation. Again, it is very important that the delay and extent of genital stimulation be varied in a way the sub cannot predict from session to session.

In the end, this will result in the sub consistently becoming sexually aroused each time he is subjected to the operant or conditional stimulus (Mrs. Rice’s 9th grade Science class was never like this). Genital stimulation will no longer be necessary except periodically as reinforcement on an average once every few sessions, to reinforce the conditioned response behavior. (Remember - vary the frequency.)

So there it is, what you do with it is literally up to you.
Have a sub that already likes spanking?
They’ll LOVE it and ADORE you after you try this.
Want to see more enthusiasm when you order them to fetch you another drink at your next SM party or event? They’ll fall all over themselves to please as their arousal surges at BEING ALLOWED TO FETCH you something.

Let your imagination run wild - all thanks to all those unwittingly kinky behavioral psychologists and their research into the wonderful world of Conditioned Response Learning.

P.S. I trust you TOPS to keep it safe, sane, and consensual. Use this only on willing subs who desire to be conditioned to enjoy the chosen stimulus. This is powerful stuff - it doesn’t matter if the subject is willing or not - Pavlov’s dogs didn’t want to salivate every time they heard a bell. Use it to enable your sub to reach intense sexual arousal during a D/s activity. One that they’ve always fantasized about, but were formerly unable to become physically aroused by. If you do, you will be able to read the grateful adoration in their eyes.






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RE: Conditioning - 11/22/2004 1:40:25 PM   
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RE: Conditioning - 11/22/2004 8:18:23 PM   
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Thank you. That was very informative and insightful. For some reason i forgot all about psychology (and pavlov) when i asked the question.

Next question...

how do you condition a sub not to be aroused during certian times, that would normally arouse them? For example, how do you condition a sub to be unable to turn themselves on?



Why on heaven's name would you want to? This thing we do is meant to enhance the quality of ones life and be mutually edifying, not repress and oppress it.

Ms. Eden

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RE: Conditioning - 11/23/2004 6:22:16 AM   
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RE: Conditioning - 11/23/2004 7:33:28 AM   
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So does anyone know how you would condition one to NOT respond to stimulus?





The easiest way for one to learn not to respond to stimulus is to do the same thing repeatedly. Once it is a normal thing it no longer triggers a response.

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