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WhiteRadiance -> A new thread.. I think (7/8/2006 7:50:54 PM)

There seems to be a fair share of news these days about abductions and kidnappings.  Has anyone considered that some of these women who claim to be victims were actually consenting adults who engaged in BDSM activities willingly, got pissed off at their top and turned him in? 
Does anyone know of any such case? 
 
I just am really tired of the same ole same ole here and wanted to start a NEW topic.  Never have I seen this one.
 
~Staci
 

 
 




krikket -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/8/2006 7:56:33 PM)

i'm sure that they happen, and sometimes even very publically (like that sportcaster i can't ever remember the name of..lol), but in my own overly optomistic ways, i prefer that people don't lie about something that too much.  ( i also suspect i'm way off base..lol)

cheers
jimini




juliaoceania -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/8/2006 7:57:10 PM)

Actually no I did not even consider it, but false accusations about rape are not uncommon... unfortunately more often than not they are real. As far as abductions being consensual kink... I could see an argument for that if the couple could be shown to be into BDSM, but a stranger abduction would not likely be a case of a role play situation.. at least that is what my mind tells me logically




Caretakr -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/8/2006 8:01:34 PM)

No but I have heard more than one story of a guy getting pulled over by a cop-who finds a tied up girl in the trunk. Guy gets removed at gun point,and the girl explains it's a game.

Cop gets pissed off at them both, and makes her put on clothes and sit in the car.




MistressOfGa -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/8/2006 8:48:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Caretakr

No but I have heard more than one story of a guy getting pulled over by a cop-who finds a tied up girl in the trunk. Guy gets removed at gun point,and the girl explains it's a game.

Cop gets pissed off at them both, and makes her put on clothes and sit in the car.

Caretakr,
This sounds like something that perhaps you went through? It is awfully detailed lol sounds kinky <s>




Caretakr -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/8/2006 8:54:41 PM)

No, a Dom friend of mine had it happen to him.[:D]




WyrdRich -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/8/2006 11:44:51 PM)

      Some Leather organizations and others are making inroads to providing kink-awareness training to law enforcement. 

     If I were to engage in this sort of play, two precautions would leap quickly to mind.  The first would be a signed release form (notarized might be too much to hope for), detailing the activities and properly dated.  The second would be to make damn sure I didn't drive stupid and give the police a reason to pull me over with a bound girl in the back.

    




Vancouver_cinful -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/8/2006 11:51:33 PM)

And up here the law has been changed so that now, if a cop thinks abuse is going on, he can haul the guy in even if the woman says it was a game, and won't press charges.

Scary for us kinksters, although a laudable thing in terms of abuse cases.




enigmabrat -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/9/2006 12:47:22 AM)

Honestly a sighned contract or no if it is something elegal it doesnt matter if there was consent involved unfortunetly for the Doms we subs catn legaly consent to things that are elegal just like someone cant consent to have someone kill them you would still be arrested for assisted suiside.... it sucks but its a risk we here take.




jamesthehumanrug -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/9/2006 1:59:18 AM)

[:o]i hate to be lengthy but, the topic is important.
kidnappings, in my sm bd world ,of slave experiences are all too comon and usually has to do with money ;DIRTY cops ;AND forced prostituion; cause, s and m ,is a "specialty" ,and, tops ,esp. womin are specialists ,and, get better ,not older ,and are wanted ,and, used for the great demand ,for sadisitc films ,with supposed womin on top;
however,
they make top womin ,INTO bottoms ;torturing smart; rich; women; for even being stupid ,enuff ,to naively declare their taste for dominant  sexual procliviities,(imagine it true nicole brown simpson was a top) womin are targeted and torn down  for their simple ,OPEN PRACTICES ,OR even ,FOR BEING ALONE ;GOOD LOOKING; AND RICH,OR, WITH THE 'KNOW-HOW'; AND ,powerful CONTACTS ;OF BEING RICH ;AND ,RESOURCEFUL
(COMMON ,AS any  CHOP/CHOP MURDERS ,OF NYC top EXCECUTIVES FOUND IN BAGS, IN PIECES all over jersey ;the circuits from conneticut rhode-island;revere;long-island ;chicago; nyc; everywhere s and m and top womin are ,and ;they are HELD FOR RANSOM,but, try and proove it ;once they are kidnapped) ,and ,they chase and ,use smart idealistic ,or in-demand womin, for  ,making these demanding movies ,not, so much considered ,as "prostition"anymore ;where the womin is suposedly never touched , but, always in comand ;
top womin,are quickly turned ,into slaves ;and, life-stylers know them ,esp.slaves,as having a big image ,as a top, in film ,but, not ,in real life; being a slave to the industry,in reality ,or a slave for some ruff necks' pockets, and, ride to fame;
top; s and m ;indemand womin ;get processed quickly, into the forced gangster ridden; pro- industry ,via, in s and m ;and are used ,in specialty-films ,that require technique;doms; and ,specialties, so ....,THAT KIND ,OF REAL "KIDNAPPING"; WHERE, both end up dead; whether tortured for money ;or made into a bottom ;for the industry,for technique:  is a common reality .
no one cares ,or is listening ,to the slave or the top woman ,after being processed; displaced;ravaged ,before death; and kidnapped ,into sleeze.....
once they get rid ,of their personal things ;like they are moving, or finally escaping and letting them go on their own out of the country,and ,once all their fingerprints and, possesions are trashed ;they dissappear ,or die;completely annonomous ;slain;never recalled ,as having proseperity or having a name;most displaced from their family-ties  like slaves were in the import biz.days ,then they end up killed ,by dirty shylock cops, or whoever else was on them and for what ;
some top misstresses ,may make the films even, if from a whitecollar ;candy-stripper; nun background ,to stay alive ,and ,hate it ,cause, they are isolated ,from who they love;and, sepparated ,from their usual support-systems ;some may go to their death, by horrible torture ;bugged and on film ,against their will ,to the end,but,  never give a hidden dime ,nor satisfaction once kidnapped ;they die like saints ,without giving, info.on the money or assets and family holdings or earned bussinesses , or maintain control to the end;,but, both types cooperative, and ,not are killed once kidnapped .
this is the ,only kidnapping i see ,and, know ,about, in s and m ,and ,of course the billion dollar industry ,of snuff is always, in there for scripts, for hollywood ,and ,will film it all ;every detail ;word and, action,of the victims they chose to exploit,then hand it ,to be plagiarized verbatim, by oscar winning pals like deniro,stalone;scorcese ;anything they can use as entertainment; they get it ;and you cant do a thing about it;you are hostage,till death do you part from your stalkers, in s and m.
i know;i can't report a single kidnapping,  i know about today ,unless i just say it to you ,and my s and, m ,-community ,and ,what good is that?

usually, if not rescued ;these top females, if not, in bussiness ,for herself, as a misstress ;will die in four yrs., cause ,by that time; she obviously knows too much ,and, wittnesses are not tolerated ; everyone, just wants the money anyway;whether she has it already ,or can make it by being exploited in sex and, s and m ,as a dominant;
,or they end up concealed,brainwashed; threatened ,and starved , in forced prostitution,you wont even recognize them when they are thru ;but,forced as a "top-womin',like everything's O.K. ; hunky-dory , to take clients ,and,make some other M-stars ,as clients;and, use the TOPS' MONEY ,AS MAD MONEY ,CAUSE THEY CAN'T TAKE IT ALL AT ONCE;TAKE EVERYTHING ALONG ,with the misstresses 'connections ;something like THIS EXAMPLE:....they'd DEFINATELY  kill you,NOW  to get to ,madonna, AND, MAKE HER A TOP HOSTAGE ;
IT ,just figures...same thing ,with tops ;no different ,and, the comon mob, in revere-BEACH,MA.would kill ,madonna ,IN A HEARTBEAT ,if she did'nt stay ,once they found her;being, in s and m; HERE ,and local ;she would'nt last a day; THAT'S HOW RAUNCHY, AND ,COMMON KIDNAPPING REALLY IS IN S AND M,
understand?
connected persons in the mob and in the dirty cop biz  make womin  do s/ m films ,and the womin; once kidnapped; are tortured for the mega money they had ,before being lost in any forced- prostitution;
immediately ;you can't prove anything ,or they wouldnt get away with it;and one of you would be dead if someone found out anyway ,so they  start laundering the vicitms ' money;putting up casinos ;etc building phony familys ,becomming new biz partners, to the kidnapped persons'once owned bussinesses ,and companies  ;put normal looking gutter snipe famlies ,on the new found payroll ;hold up the white picket fenses; while the kidnap vicitm is "nothing but; a whore " known ,to everyone now ,esp the police dept.in charge,that's why kidnapping is ,so common ,and ,i've seen it, in s and m ,of TOP- WOMIN; FAMOUS; SMART ;OR RICH ,OR, JUST A BOLD TOP FEMALE PERIOD.they get kidnapped and ,killed.
everyone says ;there's no escape from snuff ,and, if snuff is'nt ,in s and m ,and all over it ,stalking ,esp. rich ,or top womin ,then: i don't know what ,other kidnappings you could be talking about as real here....
as far as fakes ,and turning on each other ;common story ;but ,they will masaquer the top ;even in court;unless she's an undeclared sadist, and, has that white picket fense ;family ,and ,or impunity ,as a non- civilian.




Estring -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/9/2006 2:17:31 AM)

What the hell?[&:]




enigmabrat -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/9/2006 2:37:12 AM)

OK I dont think any of that made any sence!!!




wandering4u -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/9/2006 3:22:58 AM)

OK, I think we found a sensitive spot here.  




ShiftedJewel -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/9/2006 3:45:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

What the hell?[&:]


I'll echo that! James, could you please, at least on occasion, stop abusing the caps key and the punctuation? Just write in plain ole' english? I'm really not trying to be mean, but the way you write makes it all but impossible to read your posts.
 
Jewel




ExSteelAgain -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/9/2006 4:09:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vancouver_cinful

And up here the law has been changed so that now, if a cop thinks abuse is going on, he can haul the guy in even if the woman says it was a game, and won't press charges.

Scary for us kinksters, although a laudable thing in terms of abuse cases.


It is similar in Georgia. If the police are called to a domestic dispute, they are required to take the person in question, no matter the facts, away to provide a cooling off period if nothing else.

I remember a case in South Carolina years ago where it sounded like a bondage/rape fantasy was played out by a couple who brought an outside Dom in to be the aggressor. Apparently at some point the woman decided she didn't want the fantasy, but it was continued anyway. During the trial the Dom explained in detail how he met them and about BDSM fantasy. He was told by the couple that she would struggle and beg, but he was to ignore her efforts. The court wouldn't buy any of it and said it was still rape, etc. The poor Dom got 5 years if I remember correctly.




enigmabrat -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/9/2006 4:15:51 AM)

YIKES.. but honestly in a scene like that if you are stupid enough to play without a safe word well I guess you deserve whate you get!!!

-da enigma-




bandit25 -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/9/2006 4:51:56 AM)

I'm with you Jewel.  Sometimes his posts are torturous to read.




wandering4u -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/9/2006 5:02:43 AM)

Reading this,I have a new way to discipline my sub.....translation. Jewel is right, please write in English. and take your time!




WhiteRadiance -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/9/2006 5:05:30 PM)

James.. I would have loved to understand your post but I also didn't get it.  Maybe if you posted a little at a time.. ?
 
Everyone needs to always be careful and make sure they know who they are playing with. 
I thinkmost people are familiar with the sub who bottoms at a party, gets overly attached, gets sub drop and goes nuts telling everyone that she/he was abused. 
What is kinda scarey is the number of people into this type of play who do it casually.. we mostly identlfy with the bottom as the one who can be easily abused, but does anyone ever think of the fact that someone who consents to these activities (not necessarily kidnapping)may go to the cops and say, "He held me hostage.  He has a dungeon and ropes and he kept me against my will"..  If there is a contract, the cops would likely say it was signed under duress. 
 




PlayfulOne -> RE: A new thread.. I think (7/9/2006 6:15:35 PM)

I can tell you about a date rape scene.

The end of the date she tried to say good bye and the rapist forced his way in and attacked her.   I guess things became a little loud and the neighbors called the police.  I believe when the police arrived they could here the activity and just entered.  They found maybe a table knocked over, some books and things scattered about, ripped clothing, and a girl being rather forcefully taken.  Next we have the dominant/rapist at gun point, then butt ass naked and handcuffed face down on the floor (put there in a not so gentle fashion).  Left to lay there for awhile as they are collecting the clothing and other evidence.  They had immediately taken the victim/submissive into another room as they called for an ambulance and were gone for a rather lengthy time while the dominant/rapist lay handcuffed on the floor.  Then enter an officer who starts asking questions about bdsm.

Yes it was me handcuffed on the floor and thank goodness she convinced them it was all  good fun. 

K




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