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People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 4:47:31 PM   
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Unfortunately, the fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom are under attack by the nation's own government.

A truly free society is based on a vision of respect for people and what they value. In a truly free society, any business that disrespects its customers will fail, and deserves to do so. The same should be true of any government that disrespects its citizens. The central belief and fatal conceit of the current administration is that you are incapable of running your own life, but those in power are capable of running it for you. This is the essence of big government and collectivism.

More than 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson warned that this could happen. "The natural progress of things," Jefferson wrote, "is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." He knew that no government could possibly run citizens' lives for the better. The more government tries to control, the greater the disaster, as shown by the current health-care debacle. Collectivists (those who stand for government control of the means of production and how people live their lives) promise heaven but deliver hell. For them, the promised end justifies the means.

Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination. (I should know, as the almost daily target of their attacks.) This is the approach that Arthur Schopenhauer described in the 19th century, that Saul Alinsky famously advocated in the 20th, and that so many despots have infamously practiced. Such tactics are the antithesis of what is required for a free society—and a telltale sign that the collectivists do not have good answers.

Rather than try to understand my vision for a free society or accurately report the facts about Koch Industries, our critics would have you believe we're "un-American" and trying to "rig the system," that we're against "environmental protection" or eager to "end workplace safety standards." These falsehoods remind me of the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan's observation, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Here are some facts about my philosophy and our company:


Our refineries have consistently ranked among the best in the nation for low per-barrel emissions. In 2012, our Total Case Incident Rate (an important safety measure) was 67% better than a Bureau of Labor Statistics average for peer industries. Even so, we have never rested on our laurels. We believe there is always room for innovation and improvement
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To read the whole article, see here.

Let the HATE begin

(he's right about the Left too)

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 5:31:12 PM   
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More trolling......... Nuff said.

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 5:37:19 PM   
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Here's a man who has spent literally hundred's of millions of dollars trying to reshape American politics to suit his desires but when people start pushing back it is a terrible bad thing. What a whiny ridiculous person. Every dime he inherited should be taken away from him and his equally over entitled brother and they should have to actually work for a living.

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 6:10:37 PM   
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Here's a man who has spent literally hundred's of millions of dollars trying to reshape American politics to suit his desires but when people start pushing back it is a terrible bad thing. What a whiny ridiculous person. Every dime he inherited should be taken away from him and his equally over entitled brother and they should have to actually work for a living.

Are you for stealing everything George Soros has too?

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 6:22:43 PM   
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Here's a man who has spent literally hundred's of millions of dollars trying to reshape American politics to suit his desires but when people start pushing back it is a terrible bad thing. What a whiny ridiculous person. Every dime he inherited should be taken away from him and his equally over entitled brother and they should have to actually work for a living.


Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination.

guess he's got YOU PEGGED EH?

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 6:39:08 PM   
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You can have Koch as your hero.

I'm not sure how that makes you feel better, but he's all yours.

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 6:49:40 PM   
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You can have Koch as your hero.

Did anyone say anything about making Koch their "hero"?

Oh that's right, no.

K.

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 6:55:22 PM   
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Is this the first thing you have ever read about these pair of assholes?

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 6:59:40 PM   
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Is this the first thing you have ever read about these pair of assholes?

I will ask you the same thing I asked dk if you ban them or as he suggested
take everything they have would you support the same action against Soros.

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 7:05:01 PM   
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Is this the first thing you have ever read about these pair of assholes?

I will ask you the same thing I asked dk if you ban them or as he suggested take everything they have would you support the same action against Soros.

Or, it might occur to someone to discuss the actual substance of the remarks instead of their author.

(Radical, I know. I'm sorry, I got carried away.)

K.


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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 7:23:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Whippedboy

Is this the first thing you have ever read about these pair of assholes?

I will ask you the same thing I asked dk if you ban them or as he suggested take everything they have would you support the same action against Soros.

Or, it might occur to someone to discuss the actual substance of the remarks instead of their author.

(Radical, I know. I'm sorry, I got carried away.)

K.



True, on both counts, I was just holding their biased feet to the fire.

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 7:27:40 PM   
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His OP ED is really devoid of any content whatsoever.

"Instead of fostering a system that enables people to help themselves, America is now saddled with a system that destroys value, raises costs, hinders innovation and relegates millions of citizens to a life of poverty, dependency and hopelessness. This is what happens when elected officials believe that people's lives are better run by politicians and regulators than by the people themselves. Those in power fail to see that more government means less liberty, and liberty is the essence of what it means to be American. Love of liberty is the American ideal."

This is nothing more than jingoism. He's made Billions of dollars and talks of how successful his business is, on the one hand, and then says the US government is killing freedom, innovation, and value. According to him, he's an Andrei Sakharov figure trying to operate in the Soviet Union. Pure hyperbole.

What does he want, Chinese style economic expansion, the likes of which the Politicians in NC have tried to institute?

He runs a "clean business." Good for him. What does he have to say (zero of course) about: (1) Wall Street Bankers; (2) Duke Energy in NC; (3) BP in the Gulf of Mexico; (4) Freedom Industries in WV?

Frankly, he sounds like Gweneth Paltrow discussing how much more difficult it is for her to be a mother than it is for regular woman in office jobs. O, woe is me to the American Billionnaire, if life were easier for him, all boats would float up straight to heaven.

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 7:31:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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Is this the first thing you have ever read about these pair of assholes?

I will ask you the same thing I asked dk if you ban them or as he suggested
take everything they have would you support the same action against Soros.

Soros, Adelson, Kochs, trumps, none of em left or right have ANY business buying politicians or parties.
but dont let that bother you, let em have it, eh, they are business men, and we all know they run the country


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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 7:31:42 PM   
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Is this the first thing you have ever read about these pair of assholes?



Nope. I've heard quite a bit about their support for the arts and medical research, long before they became the designated demons of douchebag talking point regurgitators a few years ago.

Any of that ever crossed your assigned reading lists?


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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 8:06:38 PM   
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Here's a man who has spent literally hundred's of millions of dollars trying to reshape American politics to suit his desires but when people start pushing back it is a terrible bad thing. What a whiny ridiculous person. Every dime he inherited should be taken away from him and his equally over entitled brother and they should have to actually work for a living.

Are you for stealing everything George Soros has too?

George Soros actually earned his money and he doesn't whine when people oppose him. Maybe the differences will be apparent if you think about them.

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 8:09:37 PM   
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Here's a man who has spent literally hundred's of millions of dollars trying to reshape American politics to suit his desires but when people start pushing back it is a terrible bad thing. What a whiny ridiculous person. Every dime he inherited should be taken away from him and his equally over entitled brother and they should have to actually work for a living.


Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination.

guess he's got YOU PEGGED EH?

I'm not the one trying to stifle debate.. He's the one whining that people on the left hate him simply because they've started opposing the vast sums he spending to try and defeat left wing candidates. Maybe you should try thinking for yourself instead of reflexively throwing out tired clichés.

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 8:12:36 PM   
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This is nothing more than jingoism. He's made Billions of dollars and talks of how successful his business is

Correction, his father made billions of dollars. By most accounts the sons have done little to improve the value of the company and may have actually reduced the value of the company, adjusted for inflation of course.

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 8:21:21 PM   
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Here's a man who has spent literally hundred's of millions of dollars trying to reshape American politics to suit his desires but when people start pushing back it is a terrible bad thing. What a whiny ridiculous person. Every dime he inherited should be taken away from him and his equally over entitled brother and they should have to actually work for a living.

Are you for stealing everything George Soros has too?

George Soros actually earned his money and he doesn't whine when people oppose him. Maybe the differences will be apparent if you think about them.

Yep he isn't even a US citizen and he demonizes people who oppose him.

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 8:23:44 PM   
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Here's a man who has spent literally hundred's of millions of dollars trying to reshape American politics to suit his desires but when people start pushing back it is a terrible bad thing. What a whiny ridiculous person. Every dime he inherited should be taken away from him and his equally over entitled brother and they should have to actually work for a living.


Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination.

guess he's got YOU PEGGED EH?

I'm not the one trying to stifle debate.. He's the one whining that people on the left hate him simply because they've started opposing the vast sums he spending to try and defeat left wing candidates. Maybe you should try thinking for yourself instead of reflexively throwing out tired clichés.

What you call whining is any complaint not made by a left winger, you have proved his point.

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RE: People the Left love to HATE - 4/2/2014 9:13:24 PM   
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Here's a man who has spent literally hundred's of millions of dollars trying to reshape American politics to suit his desires but when people start pushing back it is a terrible bad thing. What a whiny ridiculous person. Every dime he inherited should be taken away from him and his equally over entitled brother and they should have to actually work for a living.

Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination.
guess he's got YOU PEGGED EH?

I'm not the one trying to stifle debate.. He's the one whining that people on the left hate him simply because they've started opposing the vast sums he spending to try and defeat left wing candidates. Maybe you should try thinking for yourself instead of reflexively throwing out tired clichés.

What you call whining is any complaint not made by a left winger, you have proved his point.


Open debate? Lets talk about that gun thread in which you and several others hold a 'religious' belief at the fanatical level. Yeah, its been proved on that thread how 'open to debate' you are on things. You cant even consider even for a nanosecond, that what I was arguing a different perspective, and that perspective might be right and wise. That would be an 'open and free debate'.

Mr. Koch created the Tea Party in its originality. That organization was a pseudo-lobbying group for his business interests. But gained popularity as a political group about 8-10 years after the Militiaman Movement died off (i.e. The Oklahoma City Bombing of 4/19/95). Conservatives and Libertarians within the GOP wanted to reenergize the GOP's failing ratings due to the disaster known as 'former President George W. Bush' and his administration in 2008. So the Tea Party was a group that originally had some good views. However, after it started accepting all the hateful, closed minded and 'low information voters' into its group; the whole thing degenerated into a mindless mob. This group of individuals usually posses no debating skills, no critical thinking skills, listens to ONLY conservative media formats, and feels they are the only ones to rule the nation. Not the sort of group one would accuse of being 'open to debate on any topic'.

An what has the Tea Party's people actually done for the USA? Well, they did almost shut down the US Government. Which is something Al Qaeda was never able to accomplish.....

They want to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. How many of them have read the law? None of them! A debate implies two or more sides are pretty well studied on a particular topic before such a debate begins. But when the Tea Party debates, talking points are used, and their side usually gets OWNED, because the liberals have ALSO learned of those talking points ahead of time and figured out ways of defeating them. The end result of these debates, is Tea Party being destroyed and laughed at for silly notions. However, the liberals enter the debate with them in honest and fair view, ready to listen to viewpoint and consider things. But like the OP that started this thread, they usually have no 'independent free will to think, consider, and maybe add onto an original discussion'.

If anything the Tea Party has shown this nation what happens when we citizens allow individuals great power without great responsibility. The members within the Tea Party bitch high and wide about Democrats and President doing/not doing something to their linking every ten minutes, but give the Tea Party in Congress a 'blank check' to do what ever they want. If you cant hold the people and party you voted into office to twice the level of accountability and responsibility with power as the ones you slam, why should anyone take anything you say seriously?

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