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Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/8/2014 7:09:46 AM   
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Matt Bevin has gotten friendly with cockfighters.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/02/matt-bevin-attended-cockfighting-rally/7223291/

Should he drop out of the race?
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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/8/2014 7:10:43 AM   
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Maybe if he ties a fighting cock to the roof of his car before driving to Alaska...


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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/8/2014 7:49:13 AM   
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Some Tory leaning against a dead lion from safari making the facebook......dunno, moon; your blighters is doin what our blighters is, sommat. 

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/8/2014 8:04:58 AM   
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Which one was that? I missed that picture.
(And they ain't our blighters: have you seen Cameron fawning and grovelling to the Kenyan the way the Kenyan fawns and grovels to the Republicans? The cunt wants to be the Kenyan's bitch like Blair was the chimp's bitch...)

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/8/2014 9:56:28 AM   
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https://www.facebook.com/124563204315456/photos/a.124695450968898.19183.124563204315456/508476912590748/?type=1&theater

can you get to this old bean? its on occupy london. otherwise, hit me on the cmail, and we will get personal about it.

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/8/2014 10:04:49 AM   
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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/9/2014 3:44:38 AM   
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If cockfighting is an issue, then the high number of birds killed by wind farms is definitely in play. In 2013, the Obummer administration decided to give a "free pass" to windfarms giving them a 30 year span to kill bald and golden eagles without facing prosecution.

When push comes to shove, I think the public would be more outraged at the death of the eagles than a few chickens...

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/9/2014 7:51:18 AM   
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https://www.facebook.com/124563204315456/photos/a.124695450968898.19183.124563204315456/508476912590748/?type=1&theater

can you get to this old bean? its on occupy london. otherwise, hit me on the cmail, and we will get personal about it.

Got it. He's definitely a high tory, but he's an advisor rather than a banker.

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/9/2014 7:55:31 AM   
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If cockfighting is an issue, then the high number of birds killed by wind farms is definitely in play. In 2013, the Obummer administration decided to give a "free pass" to windfarms giving them a 30 year span to kill bald and golden eagles without facing prosecution.

When push comes to shove, I think the public would be more outraged at the death of the eagles than a few chickens...

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Well, when you can demonstrate that the eagles are being deliberately thrown into the wind farms in front of an audience, that comparison might look a bit less absurd.

Strange how the real question in the link from the OP -that this is something that Bevin is pursuing as a states' rights issue, and the fact that it's one about a bloodsport is largely incidental- is being ignored in favour of ridiculous bullshit like this, isn't it?

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/9/2014 4:53:01 PM   
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Personally, I see hunting as a means to feed your family, not a sport. Killing all the buffalo? Now that was a sport.

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/9/2014 5:52:25 PM   
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Agreed ^^ Hunting should be don't only in the case of food IMO, or when populations of certain species start going out of control, such as deer in some places. Wolves and other carnivores used to keep their populations in check, but ever since settlers nearly wiped some of them out (namely in the USA), certain species started climbing rapidly in terms of population and need to be kept in check every once in a while.

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/10/2014 12:11:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave

If cockfighting is an issue, then the high number of birds killed by wind farms is definitely in play. In 2013, the Obummer administration decided to give a "free pass" to windfarms giving them a 30 year span to kill bald and golden eagles without facing prosecution.

When push comes to shove, I think the public would be more outraged at the death of the eagles than a few chickens...

-SD-

Well, when you can demonstrate that the eagles are being deliberately thrown into the wind farms in front of an audience, that comparison might look a bit less absurd.

Strange how the real question in the link from the OP -that this is something that Bevin is pursuing as a states' rights issue, and the fact that it's one about a bloodsport is largely incidental- is being ignored in favour of ridiculous bullshit like this, isn't it?


It is a perfectly valid point. It doesn't matter that you don't like the comparison.

For starters, not a whole lot of people care about what happens to chickens. We grow them to eat them, and we eat an awful lot of them. The eco-terrorists at P.E.T.A. are about the only people that will really give a rats ass about the issue, and I'm pretty sure they're already aware. Chickens don't enjoy any special legal protections other than the usual anti-cruelty laws, so most Americans are beyond apathetic to the "issue".

On the other hand, you have eagles and other migratory birds that are protected by law. Any other industry would be forced to take steps to protect the birds. However, now the liberals have willfully removed the legal protection of these animals, knowing full well that they are being slaughtered. They were legally protected for a reason, but because the Democrats are now trying to push green energy, it is politically expedient for them to just let people kill eagles. Unfortunately for the Democrats, people of all political backgrounds actually care about what happens to eagles in this country.

It is a stunning double standard. Changing laws to allow people who who run wind farms to kill eagles and other migratory birds indiscriminately is pretty much the same thing as changing laws to allow people to kill chickens indiscriminately. The only absurdity is your inability to comprehend the similarity.

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/10/2014 12:53:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave
quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead
quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave
If cockfighting is an issue, then the high number of birds killed by wind farms is definitely in play. In 2013, the Obummer administration decided to give a "free pass" to windfarms giving them a 30 year span to kill bald and golden eagles without facing prosecution.

When push comes to shove, I think the public would be more outraged at the death of the eagles than a few chickens...

-SD-

Well, when you can demonstrate that the eagles are being deliberately thrown into the wind farms in front of an audience, that comparison might look a bit less absurd.

Strange how the real question in the link from the OP -that this is something that Bevin is pursuing as a states' rights issue, and the fact that it's one about a bloodsport is largely incidental- is being ignored in favour of ridiculous bullshit like this, isn't it?

It is a perfectly valid point. It doesn't matter that you don't like the comparison.

For starters, not a whole lot of people care about what happens to chickens. We grow them to eat them, and we eat an awful lot of them. The eco-terrorists at P.E.T.A. are about the only people that will really give a rats ass about the issue, and I'm pretty sure they're already aware. Chickens don't enjoy any special legal protections other than the usual anti-cruelty laws, so most Americans are beyond apathetic to the "issue".

On the other hand, you have eagles and other migratory birds that are protected by law. Any other industry would be forced to take steps to protect the birds. However, now the liberals have willfully removed the legal protection of these animals, knowing full well that they are being slaughtered. They were legally protected for a reason, but because the Democrats are now trying to push green energy, it is politically expedient for them to just let people kill eagles. Unfortunately for the Democrats, people of all political backgrounds actually care about what happens to eagles in this country.

It is a stunning double standard. Changing laws to allow people who who run wind farms to kill eagles and other migratory birds indiscriminately is pretty much the same thing as changing laws to allow people to kill chickens indiscriminately. The only absurdity is your inability to comprehend the similarity.

-SD-


A double standard?

You admit that chickens, like any other animal fall under, and I quote directly from you "...usual anti-cruelty laws....". And yet, that is the WHOLE POINT of this thread. Whether someone who is openly displaying being cruel to animals should be in public office. Whether running for it, or within office now.

Who was it that placed many of those animals, INCLUDING, the Bald Eagle on the 'endangered species list'? Those Liberals your harping on. And who would LOVE to take all those animals off? The Republican/Tea Party that you support so much. Because they usually live in those areas some rich bastard wants to develop, mine, or draw resources from. An those rich bastards....ALWAYS....vote Republican/Tea Party.

Yes, Democrats are pushing green energy, as its sensible and intelligent business. An emerging market, with new technologies, and bring those to the market is very high profits to be made. Unlike firearm studies, there does exist quite a large depository of information on how to develop these technologies, while taking the environment these facilities are located in, into account. No real Americans enjoys seeing another Bald Eagle being smashed to death by the blade of a large windmill. But until you develop a 'Speak with Animals' spell from Dungeons and Dragons, there will be these loses.

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/10/2014 7:45:08 AM   
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It is a perfectly valid point. It doesn't matter that you don't like the comparison.

Sorry, it isn't a valid point and it isn't an even vaguely reasonable comparison. It barely even qualifies as a strawman.
Anything to add to the "cockfighting as a States right issue" thing, or are you going to stick to false analogies?

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/10/2014 12:41:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

If cockfighting is an issue, then the high number of birds killed by wind farms is definitely in play. In 2013, the Obummer administration decided to give a "free pass" to windfarms giving them a 30 year span to kill bald and golden eagles without facing prosecution.

When push comes to shove, I think the public would be more outraged at the death of the eagles than a few chickens...

-SD-

Well, when you can demonstrate that the eagles are being deliberately thrown into the wind farms in front of an audience, that comparison might look a bit less absurd.

Strange how the real question in the link from the OP -that this is something that Bevin is pursuing as a states' rights issue, and the fact that it's one about a bloodsport is largely incidental- is being ignored in favour of ridiculous bullshit like this, isn't it?


It is a perfectly valid point. It doesn't matter that you don't like the comparison.

For starters, not a whole lot of people care about what happens to chickens. We grow them to eat them, and we eat an awful lot of them. The eco-terrorists at P.E.T.A. are about the only people that will really give a rats ass about the issue, and I'm pretty sure they're already aware. Chickens don't enjoy any special legal protections other than the usual anti-cruelty laws, so most Americans are beyond apathetic to the "issue".

On the other hand, you have eagles and other migratory birds that are protected by law. Any other industry would be forced to take steps to protect the birds. However, now the liberals have willfully removed the legal protection of these animals, knowing full well that they are being slaughtered. They were legally protected for a reason, but because the Democrats are now trying to push green energy, it is politically expedient for them to just let people kill eagles. Unfortunately for the Democrats, people of all political backgrounds actually care about what happens to eagles in this country.

It is a stunning double standard. Changing laws to allow people who who run wind farms to kill eagles and other migratory birds indiscriminately is pretty much the same thing as changing laws to allow people to kill chickens indiscriminately. The only absurdity is your inability to comprehend the similarity.

-SD-

You couldn't possibly be more wrong. I hate PETA and all it stands for and I despise people who fight animals. It is a repugnant practice and has no place in civilized society.

And there is a very large difference between an industry incidentally killing birds and one which exists solely to maim and kill birds for "sport."

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/10/2014 4:06:49 PM   
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I hate PETA and all it stands for and I despise people who fight animals. It is a repugnant practice and has no place in civilized society.

Despite how much we disagree about pretty much everything, Ken, this totally gets my vote.

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/11/2014 12:43:18 AM   
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Liberals have absolutely no compunction about maiming and/or killing protected species of migratory birds to further their political ambitions. You have all made that abundantly clear. That being the case, your objections to someone maiming and/or killing unprotected species of livestock really just doesn't carry any weight.

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/11/2014 3:01:44 AM   
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quote:

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Liberals have absolutely no compunction about maiming and/or killing protected species of migratory birds to further their political ambitions. You have all made that abundantly clear. That being the case, your objections to someone maiming and/or killing unprotected species of livestock really just doesn't carry any weight.

I think you might be confused about someone's politics. But go ahead and attack people simply because they don't agree that breeding roosters simply to mutilate them, strap razors to their legs and then toss them into a pit where they will then fight another animal while a crowd of people cheer them on is a "sport." 

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RE: Animal abuse as a campaign issue - 4/11/2014 7:09:32 AM   
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He's a lot better at false analogies and strawmen than he is at making a coherent argument, so what do you expect?

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