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White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleading..... - 4/8/2014 1:35:34 PM   
mrabandit


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Oh, so they choose to tell the truth about wage gap now but lie about it with other areas of society to gain votes.
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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/8/2014 2:12:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		What a pile of horseshit. The actual real wage gap is about women getting paid less than men in the same jobs.

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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/8/2014 2:45:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		The wage gap at 77 cents a woman for every dollar of man has already been factored with more women in lower end of the paying jobs, and their time off for birthing and so on, that is about 60% of the difference.

When we are all said and done:

Women get about 77 cents on a dollar for men in that 40% of cannot account for it any other way than gender for equivalent jobs.

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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/8/2014 3:03:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
What a pile of horseshit. The actual real wage gap is about women getting paid less than men in the same jobs.


How much did you read, Ken?

    quote:

    Carney protested that this was misleading, because women and men holding similar positions at the White House are paid equivalent salaries. Because women outnumber men at the lowest levels of the employee chain, however, the average female salary at the White House is lower.

    Carney is right: It is misleading to average the salaries of men and women in widely varying positions and then use this as evidence that women are being discriminated against. That women disproportionately make up lower-paid positions may point to some broad, systematic gender bias, past or present, but it doesn't equate to outright sexist behavior on an employer's part.

    It's good that Carney acknowledges this as far as the White House is concerned, because the Obama administration and many others are quick to gloss over nuance like this when talking about the wage gap in general. We frequently hear that American women make only 77 cents for every dollar men make, but this is based on data that fails to account for women's work histories and life choices. It aggregates the earnings of women in all positions and compares this average against the earnings of all men.


In the first paragraph I quoted, the article details what Carney said (and it aligns with what you said).

In the second paragraph I quoted, the article says Carney was right (supports your claim about what the gender gap is really about).

In the third paragraph I quoted, the article mentions that similar pay for similar positions isn't always important in the general discussion on the gender pay gap.

I do understand how you may have missed those paragraphs. They were buried behind the introductory paragraph. Who could have expected someone to read the entire 8 paragraph article?



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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/8/2014 3:07:35 PM   
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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/8/2014 3:42:43 PM   
Phydeaux


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Status: offline 		Gender equivalent jobs is double speak.

Men are 96 times more likely to be killed on the job - in things like deep sea fisherman, construction, transportation etc.

The market places puts a premium on this risk. Thats why no amount of pointy heads saying "nursing" is gender equivalent to "truck driving" ever holds water.

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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/8/2014 3:48:08 PM   
DomKen


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
What a pile of horseshit. The actual real wage gap is about women getting paid less than men in the same jobs.


How much did you read, Ken?
    quote:

    Carney protested that this was misleading, because women and men holding similar positions at the White House are paid equivalent salaries. Because women outnumber men at the lowest levels of the employee chain, however, the average female salary at the White House is lower.

    Carney is right: It is misleading to average the salaries of men and women in widely varying positions and then use this as evidence that women are being discriminated against. That women disproportionately make up lower-paid positions may point to some broad, systematic gender bias, past or present, but it doesn't equate to outright sexist behavior on an employer's part.

    It's good that Carney acknowledges this as far as the White House is concerned, because the Obama administration and many others are quick to gloss over nuance like this when talking about the wage gap in general. We frequently hear that American women make only 77 cents for every dollar men make, but this is based on data that fails to account for women's work histories and life choices. It aggregates the earnings of women in all positions and compares this average against the earnings of all men.



In the first paragraph I quoted, the article details what Carney said (and it aligns with what you said).

In the second paragraph I quoted, the article says Carney was right (supports your claim about what the gender gap is really about).

In the third paragraph I quoted, the article mentions that similar pay for similar positions isn't always important in the general discussion on the gender pay gap.

I do understand how you may have missed those paragraphs. They were buried behind the introductory paragraph. Who could have expected someone to read the entire 8 paragraph article?



The headline and the entire article attempts to attack the White house and the tries to gloss over Carney pointing out the fallacy of the attack. There is a real wage gap in this country and whining because some media outlets use a facile statistic to report it is not the White House's fault. 

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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/8/2014 4:24:19 PM   
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The wage gap at 77 cents a woman for every dollar of man has already been factored with more women in lower end of the paying jobs, and their time off for birthing and so on, that is about 60% of the difference.

Actually, the last time I read the full damned report from the BLS they said that all but a few percent can be accounted for due to things like "life choices". That still leaves some questions open about why are women making these life choices and men are not but the flat out 77% thing is bunk according to the people who published the number.

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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/8/2014 4:46:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
The wage gap at 77 cents a woman for every dollar of man has already been factored with more women in lower end of the paying jobs, and their time off for birthing and so on, that is about 60% of the difference.

Actually, the last time I read the full damned report from the BLS they said that all but a few percent can be accounted for due to things like "life choices". That still leaves some questions open about why are women making these life choices and men are not but the flat out 77% thing is bunk according to the people who published the number.


Exactly correct. I'm ... surprised.

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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/8/2014 6:32:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mrabandit

http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/08/white-house-wage-gender-gap-statistics

Oh, so they choose to tell the truth about wage gap now but lie about it with other areas of society to gain votes.


Waaaaaaambulance.

Women make more than men in multiple industries and jobs.

Men don't bitch about those unfair scenarios because we don't have 73 different magazines brainwashing (women) as to how they're getting fucked over (nor would we buy them or waste time reading that clap trap if they did print such magazines).....we just go find a job that pays what we deem we're worth and then we get back to work.

Smart women know this, and women that want to make this story continue.....simply....want this story to continue.

If women spent 1/1,000th the time going in and saying "I'll be back when you offer a buck for the same job" and quit taking jobs at 88 cents, as they do bitching about the fact that they're getting 88 cents....women would get paid a buck.

(That's what men do....and that's why men get paid more).

Government ain't gonna get you a buck....you are.

When you all collectively believe that....you'll get a buck.


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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/9/2014 7:14:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
What a pile of horseshit. The actual real wage gap is about women getting paid less than men in the same jobs.

How much did you read, Ken?
    quote:

    Carney protested that this was misleading, because women and men holding similar positions at the White House are paid equivalent salaries. Because women outnumber men at the lowest levels of the employee chain, however, the average female salary at the White House is lower.
    Carney is right: It is misleading to average the salaries of men and women in widely varying positions and then use this as evidence that women are being discriminated against. That women disproportionately make up lower-paid positions may point to some broad, systematic gender bias, past or present, but it doesn't equate to outright sexist behavior on an employer's part.
    It's good that Carney acknowledges this as far as the White House is concerned, because the Obama administration and many others are quick to gloss over nuance like this when talking about the wage gap in general. We frequently hear that American women make only 77 cents for every dollar men make, but this is based on data that fails to account for women's work histories and life choices. It aggregates the earnings of women in all positions and compares this average against the earnings of all men.

In the first paragraph I quoted, the article details what Carney said (and it aligns with what you said).
In the second paragraph I quoted, the article says Carney was right (supports your claim about what the gender gap is really about).
In the third paragraph I quoted, the article mentions that similar pay for similar positions isn't always important in the general discussion on the gender pay gap.
I do understand how you may have missed those paragraphs. They were buried behind the introductory paragraph. Who could have expected someone to read the entire 8 paragraph article?

The headline and the entire article attempts to attack the White house and the tries to gloss over Carney pointing out the fallacy of the attack. There is a real wage gap in this country and whining because some media outlets use a facile statistic to report it is not the White House's fault. 


Yep, "glossing over" it by stating that he was right in his criticism of the report. What you, apparently, missed in comprehension of what the author was stating wasn't that he disagreed with Carney, but that the Administration doesn't apply the same criteria to the general statistics. You know, when they spew rhetoric about the entire US, they don't apply the same nuanced critique that Carney correctly pointed out in the White House gender gap stats.


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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/9/2014 7:15:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
The wage gap at 77 cents a woman for every dollar of man has already been factored with more women in lower end of the paying jobs, and their time off for birthing and so on, that is about 60% of the difference.

Actually, the last time I read the full damned report from the BLS they said that all but a few percent can be accounted for due to things like "life choices". That still leaves some questions open about why are women making these life choices and men are not but the flat out 77% thing is bunk according to the people who published the number.


Horseshit. Ken says so.


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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/9/2014 10:08:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
The wage gap at 77 cents a woman for every dollar of man has already been factored with more women in lower end of the paying jobs, and their time off for birthing and so on, that is about 60% of the difference.

Actually, the last time I read the full damned report from the BLS they said that all but a few percent can be accounted for due to things like "life choices". That still leaves some questions open about why are women making these life choices and men are not but the flat out 77% thing is bunk according to the people who published the number.


Horseshit. Ken says so.


No, I did not. Stop making shit up.

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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/9/2014 10:20:36 AM   
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What a pile of horseshit. The actual real wage gap is about women getting paid less than men in the same jobs.

And you claimed you didn't say this.

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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/9/2014 10:42:03 AM   
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Women make more than men in multiple industries and jobs.

Which industries and jobs would those be, then?
I thought Hooters paid minimum wage...

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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/9/2014 11:03:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Women make more than men in multiple industries and jobs.

Which industries and jobs would those be, then?
I thought Hooters paid minimum wage...


Modelling
Sex trade


For two.

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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/9/2014 11:07:53 AM   
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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/9/2014 11:15:04 AM   
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I fear you're being overcharged for whores, then.


Perhaps you should play with a higher class of whore.
Someone with teeth, perhaps.

Your implication - besides the personal one that I pay too much, suggests that your experience is that women charge less than men.
Since I have no experience paying either men or women, perhaps you'd care to enlighten us on exactly how much your male and female sex partners cost?

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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/9/2014 11:20:20 AM   
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RE: White House Says Wage Gender Gap Stats Are Misleadi... - 4/9/2014 2:28:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
The wage gap at 77 cents a woman for every dollar of man has already been factored with more women in lower end of the paying jobs, and their time off for birthing and so on, that is about 60% of the difference.

Actually, the last time I read the full damned report from the BLS they said that all but a few percent can be accounted for due to things like "life choices". That still leaves some questions open about why are women making these life choices and men are not but the flat out 77% thing is bunk according to the people who published the number.

Horseshit. Ken says so.

No, I did not. Stop making shit up.


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    What a pile of horseshit. The actual real wage gap is about women getting paid less than men in the same jobs.


Not only did you call it horseshit, you intimated that there is a very real wage gap. Jeff's comment states that, according to the BLS, there isn't much ("a few percent") that isn't due to life choices. Therein lies your comprehension error, Ken.

The only one that made anything up, was you.

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